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[MaaZeus]

I liked the thing Bioware did. More depth to the character. Miranda might seem to be perfect, but perhaps she is not as perfect as her father thought. Remember that he had made a ton of experiments, Miranda is just the first one he kept. But it seems like she isnt perfect either. Perhaps her sister is even "better", meaning she is fertile, who knows. Its obvious that her father didnt stop playing around genetics after Miranda.


In any case, I loved the dossier part. First it gives a lot of depth to some character aswell as providing some comedy gold (Legion, and Tali if you romance her) AND provided some light to one plot hole/wierdity. (why Wilson betrayed you)

Modifié par MaaZeus, 08 septembre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Razorsedge820]

So this implies that Miranda uses a dating service just to get some. She did not even want to get to know the guy personally before sleeping with him. Even if she was looking for a mate to have a child sleeping with a complete stranger is pretty low by her standards. 

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:10 .

[Nerevar-as]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

So this implies that Miranda uses a dating service just to get some. She did not even want to get to know the guy personally before sleeping with him. Even if she was looking for a mate to have a child sleeping with a complete stranger is pretty low by her standards. 

Only interested in the child, not in having a partner. Her obsession with the guy being perfectly healthy make me wonder about mental conditioning and the infertility being a security mecanism. Her father wanted a dinasty after all. Miranda being infertile is a hell of a mistake.

[langelog]

I totally disagree, I love her character, and I believe the dossiers were intended to be both humerous and stereotypical. I really didn't take them seriously, except for Miranda's sterility. I'm hoping my Shep will be able to settle down and have kids with her in an epilogue, so my plan is to take Mordin's Genophage cure research and modify/adapt it for humans to resterlize Miri.

Modifié par langelog, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:42 .

[Batlass8]

Honestly, I didn't take away from the dossier that Miranda was using her hookups as a way to get pregnant. The dating service made sense to me because I think of Miranda as practical to the point where she would consider the site as a means to an end. But as was mentioned before, she has standards, mostly about her partner's health, etc. I don't see her trying to have a child while working for Cerberus because I think she'd be the kind of mother to prioritize her children, and she's been utterly devoted to her job up until now.



As for not being able to have children, that email sounded like something had come up in a doctor's visit, and tests were run. IMHO, anyway.

[Tokion]

Never noticed the significance of the user name "LawBringerSR2" before. Was she hooking up during her travel with Shepard? Seems really out of character for me.

[Nerevar-as]

Tokion wrote...

Never noticed the significance of the user name "LawBringerSR2" before. Was she hooking up during her travel with Shepard? Seems really out of character for me.

Most likely before. Maybe even before Lazarus. Remember she´s on her thirties, and SB had files on Samara centuries old.

The SR2 is a bit strange though. Do the files appear if romanced?

[Elyvern]

Yes, they appear even when you romance her. But remember you can only start a romance after a loyalty mission, and the entire recruiting 12 badasses to the suicide mission must've taken at least a couple of months. It's not impossible that the correspondence takes place prior to her loyalty mission and the start of the romance.

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

Miranda: Shepard i have to go to Omega ill be back in a day or two.



Shepard: Oh, okay, do you need any help? We just opened Grunts tank we could come along...



Miranda: NO. I mean its top secret Cerberus project i have to attend to.

[Halo Quea]

Elyvern wrote...

Please, she's 35, it's absolutely unrealistic to expect her not to be sexually experienced. And screening potential casual sexual partners for health problems is entirely within her character. She's extremely rational and keeps her personal and professional life clearly demarcated. I see no problems with her needing some sexual release without the personal baggage that comes from a serious relationship now and then.

The bombshell about her inability to conceive is poorly executed by Bioware. Offhand I can think of three ways to circum-navigate that issue, none of which would require a stretch of the imagnation. One of the options is already avaiable to us, and the other is likely to be possible without our lifetimes.

1. Have Oriana be a egg donor. Both Miri and Oriana's kids would be genetically indistinguishable.

2. Custom-make gametes (ie. the 23 chromosomes required for an ova). It's been proven that Miranda's father has surmounted that problem in his creation of Miranda.

3. She can clone the organ affected by neoplasm. Benign tumours are common amongst women of child-bearing age even in the present day.  Just clone the uterus or ovaries and replace them surgically. Problem solved.

What really endears me to Miranda is the entry of her chat with Oriana. What I see is someone who's been psychologically stunted by her father's machinations against her having friends and peers during her childhood but still trying her darnest best to act like a proper older sister. Miranda's developmental years are adversely stunted by her father to the extent that she has problems connecting to people socially, But she works her heart trying to be a source of wisdom and strength for Oriana. There is hope for her yet.

Very thoughtful post.

I still don't like Miranda at all.  She projects nothing warm or caring, it just doesn't come natural to her as Shepard has to be the one to convince her to go talk to her sister.    She has virtually no respect for anyone, and the rest of the squad mates knew it and voiced it before the suicide mission.   But yet even I can see how her  sister Orianna could be her salvation in more ways than one.  

So yes,  there is perhaps hope for Ms. Lawson.

[KendallX23]

dunno Halo..she seemed quite respectful with Liara...and Liara has nothing bad to say about her...

[Malanek]

I got the impression she wasn't contacting them for dating or casual sex but rather as prospective DNA donars. She can't naturally have a kid, wants one, so she is going to get a test tube one.

[hawat333]

@Elyvern

I guess that's the point. Miranda suffers from her being genetically modified, as she doesn't feel normal, and even if she doesn't lack for confidence, between the lines there is a statement: She passionately wishes to be ordinary. So what she achieves is because her, not because her genetic modification.

For that very reason I think artificially built embryos or cloning is out of the picture.



I'm not a Lawson fan, but this moment of weakness gave me another look at the character. Almost felt like I'm spying on her.

(which my Shepards actually did, heehee)

[Halo Quea]

hawat333 wrote...

@Elyvern
I guess that's the point. Miranda suffers from her being genetically modified, as she doesn't feel normal, and even if she doesn't lack for confidence, between the lines there is a statement: She passionately wishes to be ordinary. So what she achieves is because her, not because her genetic modification.
For that very reason I think artificially built embryos or cloning is out of the picture.

I'm not a Lawson fan, but this moment of weakness gave me another look at the character. Almost felt like I'm spying on her.
(which my Shepards actually did, heehee)

OHHH!! I felt like I was spying on all of them, it was like sick voyeursm....................it was horrible

Liara  is clearly going to become corrupted by her new position.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Miranda is a 35 year old femme fatale that looks like Yvonne Stahovski, and people are suprised that the character had sex with other men before she met Shepard? Shock and horror!

It would have been out of character and somewhat of a retcon for it to have been revealed that Miranda didn't have much sexual experience.

[PrinceLionheart]

Yannkee wrote...

I also think she tried to get pregnant.
That would explain, why she is so selective about the health of her partner, and why she went to a prenatal department to find out what's wrong with her.

Wait...so is that what Jacob meant by "Better man than I?" 

[Garlador]

I laughed at Miranda's online dating. I was amused by her banter with her sister. I felt sympathy for her for being unable to conceive children. I think it was a shocking turn, and I approve of it. I never felt "sympathy" for her before; she was too cold, too distant, too superior... and then you know that she has been broken before and it's powerful stuff.

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

I dont think anyone is shocked that she has sex. Its more about how she goes about it.

[khevan]

DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...

I dont think anyone is shocked that she has sex. Its more about how she goes about it.

Miranda has spent the best part of two and a half to three years in conditions that don't leave her much room for socializing, bar-hopping, or any of the "usual" ways to find a sexual partner.

On the Lazarus research station, she was the boss, the one in charge.  It's pretty easy to say that she'd find it inappropriate as heIl to have a partner from her staff.  After the station, she's been on the Normandy, with only brief stops at hub worlds.  There simply isn't the opportunity.

Her best option in this situation is "how she goes about it."  And really, why is that a bad thing, or shocking, or whatever descriptor you want to place on it?  It fits her methodical nature, there's nothing inherently wrong with it, so why the backlash?  It simply doesn't make sense to me, unless the whole double standard thing is being implied, ie. it's ok for men to sleep around, but not women.

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

To me at least, it is the whole not knowing who you are sleeping with. Have sex with multiple people is fine (there is a max number where it wouldnt) as long as your in a relationship. You get to know the person. Doing what she is doing means she could be sleeping with drug dealers,murderers, rapist, ect. But its okay because you have a good bill of health. Wouldnt you look at your partner differently if you came across a adult friend finder account? Even if they havent been on it since months before you met?

[Elyvern]

hawat333 wrote...

@Elyvern
I guess that's the point. Miranda suffers from her being genetically modified, as she doesn't feel normal, and even if she doesn't lack for confidence, between the lines there is a statement: She passionately wishes to be ordinary. So what she achieves is because her, not because her genetic modification.
For that very reason I think artificially built embryos or cloning is out of the picture.

I'm not a Lawson fan, but this moment of weakness gave me another look at the character. Almost felt like I'm spying on her.
(which my Shepards actually did, heehee)

There is no where in the game where Miranda wants to be ordinary, in fact, she herself tells you how extraordinary she is. She accepts that her father's modifications of her is both a curse and a blessing, but it's something she has learn to live with. Which is why I feel she could swing both ways with regards to having children, having them the most natural way and leave mixing of the genes to nature and serendipity, or intentionally engineer her children--not neccessarily to become a super human like herself; she could even opt to create them "normal" like the rest of the population. Don't forget she has a scientific background and thinks like a scientist, she ressurrected Shepard after all.

[Ghost Yeti]

Q: When did miranda receive that e-mail because as far as we know she could've got that news months or years before her official intro in mass effect galaxy and probably had that problem either completly resolved or either put it to rest and come to terms about it all.

[Arijharn]

DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...

To me at least, it is the whole not knowing who you are sleeping with. Have sex with multiple people is fine (there is a max number where it wouldnt) as long as your in a relationship. You get to know the person. Doing what she is doing means she could be sleeping with drug dealers,murderers, rapist, ect. But its okay because you have a good bill of health. Wouldnt you look at your partner differently if you came across a adult friend finder account? Even if they havent been on it since months before you met?

Not really, because it's months before we met. Miranda has a string of one-night stands so how is that really any different to you having them (other than the fact she has extremely high standards?).

Maybe Miranda feels like her biological clock is ticking and that's what governs her decisions (curbed somewhat by her intellect). Hormones beat her again potentially regards to you as well judging by what both she and Liara say about it.

[Elyvern]

DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...

To me at least, it is the whole not knowing who you are sleeping with. Have sex with multiple people is fine (there is a max number where it wouldnt) as long as your in a relationship. You get to know the person. Doing what she is doing means she could be sleeping with drug dealers,murderers, rapist, ect. But its okay because you have a good bill of health. Wouldnt you look at your partner differently if you came across a adult friend finder account? Even if they havent been on it since months before you met?

For me, it is entirely within her character, she's one of those people who compartmentalises what is emotionally important to her (for example, her sister) from other aspects of her life. She is socially and personally responsible enough that she does background checks before she engages in a romp. And like Samara says, if you have to kill a man, do you really need to know that he is a loving father? For Miranda, her sexual encounters are purely physical thing, there is no reason and no incentive to know her sexual partners better. If they turn out to be criminals later, it wouldn't have anything to do with how she's slept with them before. Please don't confuse the two issues.

@GhostYeti - her alias is LawbringerSR2, assuming SR2 refers to the Normandy, it has to take place during the second game, likely before her loyalty mission and the potential romance with maleshep.

Modifié par Elyvern, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[Arijharn]

To me, the only disappointing about this revelation is that maleshep didn't have sexual encounter with her earlier! However, she probably thought workplace relations are a bad thing, 'learning' from her experience with Jacob. Having said that, maleshep is the alpha male.

Modifié par Arijharn, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:19 .