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[Sleepy Buddha]

Halo Quea wrote...
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I still don't like Miranda at all.  She projects nothing warm or caring, it just doesn't come natural to her as Shepard has to be the one to convince her to go talk to her sister.    She has virtually no respect for anyone, and the rest of the squad mates knew it and voiced it before the suicide mission.   But yet even I can see how her  sister Orianna could be her salvation in more ways than one.  

So yes,  there is perhaps hope for Ms. Lawson.

I don't understand where you are getting this from.

From my interactions with Miranda, she was only cold and distant up to her loyalty mission. She became much more personable right after that. As for Orianna, she wasn't cold or distant. She was just afraid that getting too close might put Orianna in more danger, or what her sister's reaction to her might be.

She respects everyone on the team, just like everyone respects her. No one voiced any concerns. The only exception is Jack, who said none of them would take orders from her but was really just talking about herself. If that was the case, then Miranda wouldn't be the best choice for leader of both fire teams during the suicide mission, which she definitely is.

[Nimrodell]

When it comes to Miranda Lawson and dossiers at the end, it just shows that whoever was writing that additional thing was just extending her character development along pathways of Greek goddess Athena as an archetype, and like Athena, Miranda doesn't have a mother nor she is bound to have children... at least not in regular means. You have perfect beauty, intelligence, physical condition, combat determination, but from the very start you have crippled human being in terms of emotional and psychological development and as such, of course that Miranda will strive to motherhood, cause that's the emptiness she needs to fill in. But then comes a question, if she could become a mother, would she be able to be a warm loving parent or she would be just another incarnation of her father? When you look at the conversations between her and her sister, Miranda is truly divided, still trapped in way her father was conditioning for her... she loves, but she can't hide that always the 'highest' expectations side. Oriana has normal family, Miranda never did and that's where those two are truly different. Guess, that is one of the personal starting points for her and Shepard in ME3... and who knows, maybe if male Shepard romanced her and really loved her, maybe the ending between those two will be like in British sitcom Coupling... by some strange miracle and chance, cause of true love that finally filled emptiness in Miranda's heart, she'll be able to conceive a child finally with her sweetheart. Hell, tis like in rock opera Tommy, she's like blind Tommy singing - Feel me, Hear me, Touch me, See me .

[GodWood]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...
From my interactions with Miranda, she was only cold and distant up to her loyalty mission. She became much more personable right after that. As for Orianna, she wasn't cold or distant. She was just afraid that getting too close might put Orianna in more danger, or what her sister's reaction to her might be.

She respects everyone on the team, just like everyone respects her. No one voiced any concerns. The only exception is Jack, who said none of them would take orders from her but was really just talking about herself. If that was the case, then Miranda wouldn't be the best choice for leader of both fire teams during the suicide mission, which she definitely is.

Not quite true.
If Jack dies before that scene Garrus speaks up saying something similar.
And even if Jack doesn't die, when she speaks up about it Garrus moves his head in agreement with Jack.

[t3HPrO]

Like I said before in another post, I think we Mirimancers knee-jerked big time. I mean, if you can raise a man from the dead, cure most diseases including cancer, genetically engineer people without any maternal genetic tissue, and essentially teleport across the whole f$*king galaxy, then I don't see why Miranda's infertility problem can't be cured. In fact, it's more of a 'speed bump' than a true obstacle. The d%ckhead who cooked this up at Bioware needs to do some serious damage control as it just won't make any sense going forward. In fact, I think Miri should b!^chslap the idiot doctor who said that she could only consider adoption, because it's actually curable. In fact, IRL, we're only a decade or so off curing infertility. But it's still sad that poor Miri has to put up with so much BS, including the fact she's gonna have problems conceiving unassisted.

[Tootles FTW]

I'm surprised so many guys seem bummed about the infertility issue.  As a female myself I felt bad for Miranda since the implication in the e-mail is that she was/is interested in having children, but my initital thought was that most male gamers would probably think of it as a plus - built-in birth control, or whatnot.  I even considered that it might be meant more as an in-game joke ("The perfect woman indeed, eh boys?" /winkwinknudge). 

Building a family isn't usually a priority for men, so sorry that I seem to have been mistaken. 

And just to comment on her personality, I actually wish they had made her more of a b*tch!  I decided I was going to like her after her control chip comment on the Cerberus facility, but she softened up almost immediately on the Normandy; and mind you, I don't play renegade - I just like HBICs. 

[Nimrodell]

t3HPrO wrote...

Like I said before in another post, I think we Mirimancers knee-jerked big time. I mean, if you can raise a man from the dead, cure most diseases including cancer, genetically engineer people without any maternal genetic tissue, and essentially teleport across the whole f$*king galaxy, then I don't see why Miranda's infertility problem can't be cured. In fact, it's more of a 'speed bump' than a true obstacle. The d%ckhead who cooked this up at Bioware needs to do some serious damage control as it just won't make any sense going forward. In fact, I think Miri should b!^chslap the idiot doctor who said that she could only consider adoption, because it's actually curable. In fact, IRL, we're only a decade or so off curing infertility. But it's still sad that poor Miri has to put up with so much BS, including the fact she's gonna have problems conceiving unassisted.

I don't think that they actually intended to make any issue about her infertility because, yes, in her world, time, space, everything's possible. Tis just connected to her personality, showing that she wants the same thing as other females and for that matter males wants... yes, she is cold, motherless, calculated and hiding feelings, but this dossier has also provided a proof for those who love Miranda that there is big chunk of humanity in her... there is part of being average in some aspects in her and that's what makes her more likeble. She is damaged too like the rest and that's what means being a human. So, bottom line is... dossier's goal wasn't to start new pregnancy problems story, it just showed another part of Miranda... might as well say, her more noble and human side.

[Sleepy Buddha]

GodWood wrote...

Sleepy Buddha wrote...
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She respects everyone on the team, just like everyone respects her. No one voiced any concerns. The only exception is Jack, who said none of them would take orders from her but was really just talking about herself. If that was the case, then Miranda wouldn't be the best choice for leader of both fire teams during the suicide mission, which she definitely is.

Not quite true.
If Jack dies before that scene Garrus speaks up saying something similar.
And even if Jack doesn't die, when she speaks up about it Garrus moves his head in agreement with Jack.

Garrus sees himself as a good leader and would like the job to prove himself after what happened on Omega. He's also a good choice. That's why he takes that stance. I don't remember him objecting to Miranda in any other occasion, but I could be mistaken.

Besides, if Shepard ordered it, he would take orders from Miranda, no question. Jack on the other hand.... maybe after Miranda's "shove it" speech to TIM. The thing is, Jack and Miranda are actually much more similar than they realize.

Tootles FTW wrote...
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And just to comment on her personality, I actually wish they had made her more of a b*tch!  I decided I was going to like her after her control chip comment on the Cerberus facility, but she softened up almost immediately on the Normandy; and mind you, I don't play renegade - I just like HBICs.  

My feelings exactly. And I don't play renegade either. I just loved Miranda's blunt honesty, presenting herself as she is, without any attempts at manipulation or deception.

[Neria Rose]

t3HPrO wrote...

Like I said before in another post, I think we Mirimancers knee-jerked big time. I mean, if you can raise a man from the dead, cure most diseases including cancer, genetically engineer people without any maternal genetic tissue, and essentially teleport across the whole f$*king galaxy, then I don't see why Miranda's infertility problem can't be cured. In fact, it's more of a 'speed bump' than a true obstacle. The d%ckhead who cooked this up at Bioware needs to do some serious damage control as it just won't make any sense going forward. In fact, I think Miri should b!^chslap the idiot doctor who said that she could only consider adoption, because it's actually curable. In fact, IRL, we're only a decade or so off curing infertility. But it's still sad that poor Miri has to put up with so much BS, including the fact she's gonna have problems conceiving unassisted.

Source, please. Or are you able to predict the future? Sorry to be snarky, but statements like these annoy the hell out of me.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Elyvern wrote...

@GhostYeti - her alias is LawbringerSR2, assuming SR2 refers to the Normandy, it has to take place during the second game, likely before her loyalty mission and the potential romance with maleshep.

No, it means that it had to happen after the Normandy SR2 was built, or after she knew it was being rebuilt.

Or it means that the writers didn't think it out very well and just slapped her with a handle, once again not realizing that the fans would descend on the minutia like pirranna on a carcas, and pick it clean to the bone for implications and hidden meaning.

[Arijharn]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
No, it means that it had to happen after the Normandy SR2 was built, or after she knew it was being rebuilt.

Or it means that the writers didn't think it out very well and just slapped her with a handle, once again not realizing that the fans would descend on the minutia like pirranna on a carcas, and pick it clean to the bone for implications and hidden meaning.

I think that's woefully optimistic.

I'd say that, at first, she wasn't romantically interested in Shephard at all or probably didn't want to act on those feelings due to the awkwardness of the situation and casually dismissed it. I don't think it's a crime at worst or even a damnable action on her part to want to have some degree of physical connection with anyone even with the ongoing recruitment of the team.

Hell, for all we know Shephard seduced Kelly when he coyly asked her to dinner in his chambers and (at least on my playthrough) that was before Miranda and Shephard really started to connect.

[Nerevar-as]

If Miranda was romanced, Liara comments in the cabin reunion how Shepard has been a good influence on her personality.

[khevan]

DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...

To me at least, it is the whole not knowing who you are sleeping with. Have sex with multiple people is fine (there is a max number where it wouldnt) as long as your in a relationship. You get to know the person. Doing what she is doing means she could be sleeping with drug dealers,murderers, rapist, ect. But its okay because you have a good bill of health. Wouldnt you look at your partner differently if you came across a adult friend finder account? Even if they havent been on it since months before you met?

Actually, no, I wouldn't look at my wife differently.  Casual sex is casual sex, no matter the "source," so long as you take precautions.  With Adultfriendfinder (and similar sites), there are precautions you can take to minimize the danger.  There's danger inherent any time you get close to someone, either physically or emotionally.  Just because you're in a relationship, doesn't mean you know everything about a person.  A couple could be married for years before one partner snaps and kills the other, or the husband could have been a devoted spouse and father, but secretly has gone out and raped multiple women.  A "relationship" isn't necessarily the best measure of "safety" in a personal sense. 

 Like others have said, it's totally within Miranda's character to compartmentalize, to seperate her sex life from the rest of her life.  She's "too busy" for romantic entanglements, but hey, she's human, she has needs.  So instead of tying herself down with relationships (which she doesn't want), she has casual sexual encounters with people that she checks out before hand.

She's also a biotic and an expert with light weapons.  I don't think the average drug dealer or whatnot would stand much of a chance if they tried to pull something, do you?

[TheKillerAngel]

Tootles FTW wrote...

I'm surprised so many guys seem bummed about the infertility issue.  As a female myself I felt bad for Miranda since the implication in the e-mail is that she was/is interested in having children, but my initital thought was that most male gamers would probably think of it as a plus - built-in birth control, or whatnot.  I even considered that it might be meant more as an in-game joke ("The perfect woman indeed, eh boys?" /winkwinknudge). 

Building a family isn't usually a priority for men, so sorry that I seem to have been mistaken. 

And just to comment on her personality, I actually wish they had made her more of a b*tch!  I decided I was going to like her after her control chip comment on the Cerberus facility, but she softened up almost immediately on the Normandy; and mind you, I don't play renegade - I just like HBICs. 

From an evolutionary biology perspective, there is no point in pursuing a woman who cannot help pass on your genetic material. Thus,  I was not surprised to see one guy "dump" Miranda upon discovering her infertility.

[Elyvern]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

@GhostYeti - her alias is LawbringerSR2, assuming SR2 refers to the Normandy, it has to take place during the second game, likely before her loyalty mission and the potential romance with maleshep.

No, it means that it had to happen after the Normandy SR2 was built, or after she knew it was being rebuilt.

Or it means that the writers didn't think it out very well and just slapped her with a handle, once again not realizing that the fans would descend on the minutia like pirranna on a carcas, and pick it clean to the bone for implications and hidden meaning.

I'm leaning towards the latter, which would include the hilarious and highly unconvincing stereotyping in her personal correspondence, or how adoption is the only alternative the medical center gives her. Hello, this is a universe where people can be medically ressurected from the dead and you're telling me they can't cure infertility? 

While I can understand the sentiment behind the writing of Miranda's dossier, whoever wrote it really didn't put much thought into it.  And subsequently, the chat transcript between her and Oriana is the only one I take to heart.

[Tonks32]

Yannkee wrote...

Tonks32 wrote...

I just liked the fact that we got to see a little interaction with her sister. But this also makes me feel a little bad for Miranda. Once again because of her father she's unable to conceive children and for a woman hearing that is well like being hit by a hoover car a few times. Wonder how this is all going to tie in in ME3

I hope they will solve this problem in ME3. Miri doesn't deserve this, but adoption could be also a solution.

i agree. I did a playthrough where i romanced her and I love how she does change through the game because of Shepard. I can see her actually really wanting to have kids with him some where down the road, or maybe thats just me. I wonder if this will at all be addressed in ME3????

I also read somewhere , hopefully its not true, that Miranda dies in the comic books or something and wont be in ME3 which wouldn't make sense because if you cheated on your ME1 LI i would assume there would be a big hold cat fight of some sort in ME 3

[k3ttch]

I wonder if this is why her dad had Orianna created. Miri keeps harping how her dad wanted a dynasty-- something hard to create if your heir apparent is sterile.

[Caihn]

Tonks32 wrote...
I also read somewhere , hopefully its not true, that Miranda dies in the comic books or something and wont be in ME3 

WHAT, WHERE ?! 
If it's a joke, it's not funny.
If it's not, Bioware will have to face fans who will be very very pissed off (including me).

Modifié par Yannkee, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[vehzeel]

Even though I'm not fond of Miranda, I felt sorry for her when reading about her infertility. I've always thought not being able to get kids is a source of great sadness for many people, both males and females.



Regarding Tootles comment about males not wanting a family, I'd beg to differ. My experience is that many men want a stable relationship, while women tend to value their independence. That might be an age issue, however. It's not like it's bad to test different things before settling down.



For the record, I'm a male and yes, I want to have kids.

[Ghost Yeti]

@ Elyvern it only say Law Bringer SR2 on the dating website e-mails not on the medical one which is why I find it interesting to see when she exactly received it.

[Bugsie]

Gee I didn't realise that guys were so freaked out about the fertility issue with Miranda. I had totally the opposite reaction and I almost wept at the feet of Bioware for giving me this information. For me personally and without TMI I have to say that dossier made me like her more. I can actually identify with this woman now, before she was this genetically perfect specimen, cocky and sure of herself, infertility actually made her more human in my eyes.



The issue of infertility is not a new one in this universe - I mean we have the genophage - that means that NOT ALL issues surrounding infertility (no matter the species) can be solved with science, so it's not unbelievable that a human female can still have issues. I hate the fact that people still think woman must be portrayed as a LI or the mother for her role in life to be truly satisfying.

[KShepardNSR2]

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Modifié par KShepardNSR2, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:38 .

[Homebound]

Miranda is a clone of "her" father. "She" was a failed clone.

The insides dont match the outsides.



That is all.