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[ejoslin]

Oblivious wrote...
You have the option to either become the queen of a nation or become the leader of the deadliest guild of assassins in all of Thedas. Males don't even know where they went with Morrigan or what they're doing with Leliana. And Leliana is bi so saying she is bias for men is a bit... extreme.

Personally I was satisfied. My male Amell got a nice comment on the ring, had a nice kiss, walked through the portal to a place "Beyond Thedas and beyond the Fade", and had the option to live in peace with a family of apostates (and maleficar;)) and teach his god-empowered son some of the most deadliest spells in existance. Just in time for OGB to meet his cousin, Hawke.

Most people who romance Alistair do NOT have the option to become queen of the nation (only HNF).  And many who romance Zevran do NOT consider the changed Awakening ending (perhaps becoming leader of the crows) a good option. That was the Ultimate Sacrifice ending in Origins -- where the death of the warden breaks Zevran.  Origins had one happily-ever-after with Zevran, which was taken away in Awakening for no reason at all apparently since there's no continuation of that story.

Really, the end of WH did kind of hit me hard because of the implications for Zevran's romance.  It's bad enough that the "happily ever after" in Origins was changed in Awakening, but then your warden is STILL sticking around Ferelden a year afterwards?  Why? 

That said, I think WH does give a beautiful ending for the Morrigan romance.  I just wish the other romances had been given the same type of respect.

Edit: What was done to Zevran would be like if in DA3 or whatever, the Warden came back and his story made it obvious that going through the mirror never happened, but with no good reason for the change and no follow up.

Hah, I sound a bit bitter.  Yay for BW for making a character so wonderful that it ticks me off that they did this!

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Addai]

Oblivious wrote...

BubbleDncr wrote...

It sounds like even if my game wasn't bugged, I still wouldn't have been satisfied by the ending. I had my female Dalish elf who had romanced Alistair and had him do the dark ritual, but I also had friendship with Morrigan. In my mind, my Warden needed to find her and kill her baby for the good of the world, but was torn because her and Morrigan were best friends. It doesn't sound like Bioware accounted for players like me. But then again, I'm really starting to suspect that Bioware doesn't care as much about female players as the seem to say they do. I mean, the have dlc for dragon age involving the two characters most likely romanced by male players, but no love for Alistair of Zevran fangirls. But hey, statistics say 80% of mass effect 2 players play as male shepard, so if its similar for dragon age, why put time and effort into adding dialog specifically for only 20% (or less) of the players?

Anyways, with my glitchy ending, I just killed her out of frustration.

You have the option to either become the queen of a nation or become the leader of the deadliest guild of assassins in all of Thedas. Males don't even know where they went with Morrigan or what they're doing with Leliana. And Leliana is bi so saying she is bias for men is a bit... extreme.

And after Leliana's Song, you know what you're doing with Leliana post-Blight?  *scratches head*

It's obviously no accident that the only character DLCs made were the female LIs.  It's a numbers game- money.

[ejoslin]

Addai67, the thing is, women gamers is a HUGE demographic. It's ignored for a large part, but the largest block of video gamers are women over 25 according to Neilson.

It's beyond stupid to ignore that demographic.

Edit: I wish they would have released the raw data.  I would have loved to see a gender breakdown for games like WoW and the like.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[Amish Love Machine]

hurricaneez1 wrote...
Lets be real here...this DLC was clearly aimed at those who romanced Morrigan and were just in it for the closure. And if you didnt get the bugs, and I was lucky enough not too, then I think the Morrigan lovers got exactly what they were looking for. My warden got to hook up with his girl again and ride off into the sunset....whats not to like?

I agree with this assessment fo the DLC. My Cousland noble romanced Morrigan and needed some answers after she up and left after the archdemon fell. Was good to be able to find her and go with her through the mirror after a quick make-out session. While I wish the DLC was longer and had some kind of epilogue for the party members I had just come to know and start to like, I feel like it brought a good closure to my warden's story.

[LeonBrass]

Amazing Ending?? Mine was a WTF give me some answers and all I got was a bunch of BS from Morrigan, a kiss, and something "you will find interesting" that I never get to see!

Not even sure its worth a second play to try another "ending" ---

[RebelAgainstSin81]

Tommy6860 wrote...

night0205 wrote...

I'm sure you guys already have an idea of the bug, but I have played through several imports of the same character and I know what causes it.
It's from Origins, after the epilogue... when you guys let us pretend we are doing things before the final battle...
The bug is Morrigan doesn't recognize the Dark Ritual.
1. Loaded my character from awakening, in which I loaded from a post-epilogue save... bugged.
2. Loaded same character from epilogue save itself, the post-campaign one... no bug.
3. Then to prove it wasn't awakening, I imported the epilogue save to awakening, then to golems, then to Witch Hunt, and no bug. She reacted correctly.
The reason why so many people are getting this bug is because most people play after the epilogue, even if it's just to switch equipment. So that's what I think.

Fortunately for me, I have a save with the Origins epilogue ending where i accepted the DR. I got the correct endings and not the buggy one for the Witch Hunt. From what I understand, it cannot be a DR epilogue ending that is then played through Awakenings as well.

So basically, I need a save from the ceremony right before the guard walks you outside to the adoring public waiting to see the Hero of Ferelden? 

[Berkilak]

It would be great, as long as it actually led to something. But given there is no save after you make your choice, and since there will be no more DLC and DA2 will focus on a different character... it ended Origins on a cliffhanger that will never be answered.



Unfulfilling.

[CalJones]

Rebel - correct. You can also go from there to Awakening (and GoA if you want to play that) and then to Witch Hunt - the crucial thing is that you don't use the Post-Campaign save to import into anything.

Regarding the Zevran ending - I was OK with running off to Antiva. At least my Warden (Godric, I think it was) who romanced him stayed with him. I think after being stuck in the Circle his whole life, he'd want to see other parts of the world.

The Leliana ending is fine too.

The ending I'm not so happy with is my Cousland prince consort. He did romance Morrigan and got to talk about the child and give her a goodbye kiss, but then he went back to court and his lovely wife. Yet the Awakening slide says he eventually disappeared. Meh! I suppose he might have gone to his Calling, but it's a little soon.

My female Cousland (Anora's chancellor) also disappeared.

I'm not liking this disappearing act, really. It applies well to Wardens who follow Morrigan through the mirror, but for anyone else, it sucks.

[CalJones]

Berkilak - there is meant to be a save. They are working on a fix for that as we speak.

[Hunhaar]

I don't know whether its already said but as you know choices actually shape the past of the events before WH.

So Bioware prefered the easy way, my guess is rather than modifying the events in the WH according to your choices in DAO they said "hey lets not bother and let the dialogues at the beginning of the WH decide"

so from the flemeth's hut to other places watch out what you say, you cannot expect the game give you the option to leave with morrigan if you say in the hut "I am going to kill her".

try to be consistent in order not to confuse the script.

Modifié par Hunhaar, 09 septembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[Spazztik]

It was horrible. . . geez. . . only ones who got any satisfaction generally were all the Morrigan lovers out there and though I generally befriended her I never romanced her (yet)

[Marcalo Munovia]

Wow...didn't bother yet to go through pages 2-4 of this thread and already see that I am not alone in disappointment.

I was sure the character I played with accepted her ritual and yet she says I denied her...utter crap! I am so upset that I spent the money on this DLC which aside from being the shortest of all of them was also the one to epically fail storyline progression.

The level of challenge was ZERO with a lvl 34, like others I never used a pot and had no KO's throughout any of the battles. 

The ending for me was regardless of the story glitch "happy" with the GW leaving with Morrigan to what looked in a last screen image I saw the Fade...then credits...wow not even a whisper from your companions who were standing there probably all WTF?

Devs, you really muffed this one up, shame too as this was really what I am sure many of us wanted to finally see, "What happened to Morrigan". I know could write a better fan fic than this...

Modifié par Marcalo Munovia, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Marcalo Munovia]

Hunhaar wrote...

I don't know whether its already said but as you know choices actually shape the past of the events before WH.

So Bioware prefered the easy way, my guess is rather than modifying the events in the WH according to your choices in DAO they said "hey lets not bother and let the dialogues at the beginning of the WH decide"

so from the flemeth's hut to other places watch out what you say, you cannot expect the game give you the option to leave with morrigan if you say in the hut "I am going to kill her".

try to be consistent in order not to confuse the script.

Its not about confusing anything from the script in the game....there is no bigger past event that guides this DLC other then your choice to perform the ritual with Morrigan or not...that is what the major problem is with this. Who cares what you tell the elf in the hut, you could be lying to her just to get information...Sorry, the devs really dropped the ball on this one.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67, the thing is, women gamers is a HUGE demographic. It's ignored for a large part, but the largest block of video gamers are women over 25 according to Neilson.

It's beyond stupid to ignore that demographic.

Edit: I wish they would have released the raw data.  I would have loved to see a gender breakdown for games like WoW and the like.

You don't say?  I hadn't heard that, I was just assuming.

[ashez2ashes]

Huh. I don't think I have a save that would be non-glitched. I'm glad I checked out this thread before I bought it.



Does Morrigan have any different dialogue if Alistair did the DR?

[Grimmblethor]

i was never romanced with morrigan in origins and i turned down her ritual offer i only had options to let her go through portal or kill her

[Viva la France]

What happens if you active romances with both Leliana and Morrigan going into witch hunt.

[Maconbar]

CalJones wrote...

Rebel - correct. You can also go from there to Awakening (and GoA if you want to play that) and then to Witch Hunt - the crucial thing is that you don't use the Post-Campaign save to import into anything.
Regarding the Zevran ending - I was OK with running off to Antiva. At least my Warden (Godric, I think it was) who romanced him stayed with him. I think after being stuck in the Circle his whole life, he'd want to see other parts of the world.
The Leliana ending is fine too.
The ending I'm not so happy with is my Cousland prince consort. He did romance Morrigan and got to talk about the child and give her a goodbye kiss, but then he went back to court and his lovely wife. Yet the Awakening slide says he eventually disappeared. Meh! I suppose he might have gone to his Calling, but it's a little soon.
My female Cousland (Anora's chancellor) also disappeared.
I'm not liking this disappearing act, really. It applies well to Wardens who follow Morrigan through the mirror, but for anyone else, it sucks.

I think that the warden moving off the stage allows BW to bring him back in DA:3 if they decide to go that route.

[Maconbar]

Viva la France wrote...

What happens if you active romances with both Leliana and Morrigan going into witch hunt.

You can go through the mirror.

[Palathas]

Amish Love Machine wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...
Lets be real here...this DLC was clearly aimed at those who romanced Morrigan and were just in it for the closure. And if you didnt get the bugs, and I was lucky enough not too, then I think the Morrigan lovers got exactly what they were looking for. My warden got to hook up with his girl again and ride off into the sunset....whats not to like?

I agree with this assessment fo the DLC. My Cousland noble romanced Morrigan and needed some answers after she up and left after the archdemon fell. Was good to be able to find her and go with her through the mirror after a quick make-out session. While I wish the DLC was longer and had some kind of epilogue for the party members I had just come to know and start to like, I feel like it brought a good closure to my warden's story.

What the heck? I had a Cousland noble and romanced her as well but got squat at the end, I could attack or say goodbye only. Looks like I'll have to play through again and hope it doesn't bug out or whatever the heck it's doing. This DLC seemed to be more about Finn and the Dailish to me as there was far more on those two than Morrigan. I suppose we did hunt for the witch but there was very little in the DLC regarding the witch.

[Fangirl17]

ashez2ashes wrote...

Huh. I don't think I have a save that would be non-glitched. I'm glad I checked out this thread before I bought it.

Does Morrigan have any different dialogue if Alistair did the DR?

Nope,nothing was mentioned of Alistair sadly.Sigh I miss him. Thats it from now on my characters will do the US.There thats a good ending ^^ Its a definite ending,thats how I like my endings,they actually END and not fade to black leaving you with an unsatisfying cliffhanger. I also like the ending of staying alive and living happily ever after with whatever chioce you make and NOT playing through Awakenings or any other DLC.

[Aehuir]

Well hell, I came here to try and find out what was the damn gift was. I thought maybe I'd hit a bug or something. I just played through with my HFN who'd convinced Alistair to do the ritual ("sweetie, if you love me you will have sex with this witch") and was struck speechless by the abrupt ending. I let her go out of friendship (or gullible optimism) and as a reward I got... something? I mean it's nice we got the elves' book back, but what was my present? Is it a collection of thirty seven more questions about Morrigan's child? Because I already have one of those.

[Addai]

ashez2ashes wrote...

Huh. I don't think I have a save that would be non-glitched. I'm glad I checked out this thread before I bought it.

Does Morrigan have any different dialogue if Alistair did the DR?

She will ask you sarcastically if you're worried about the child becoming an heir to the throne.  But no mention of the big guy.  By anyone. 

[Tiggerrac]

Basicly the whole point of the DLC is to set up the next game. I think that there will be a good reason why you don't find out what the gift is perhaps it plays an important part in revealing the truth behind flemeth in the next game, after all morrigans warning was clear that flemeth is something more dangerous than she thought and that she has plans for the world. Maybey the book is morrigan trying to show the warden how to truely defeat flemeth and maybeys Hawk will find it in the next game.... who knows but that book will definetly be important in a later game.

[JedTed]

While the ending was abrupt i liked that it game some bit of closure with Morrigan.  Even though my Male City Elf romanced her he didn't love her(chose Leliana) so it was mostly just a search for answers to where she went.  I didn't give her her demon baby(OGB, whatever you call it) cause i thought she would use it for evil.  With Witch Hunt i realized that may not have been the case but i still can't help but think it involves the personal vendetta with Flemeth.

I actually enjoyed the whole quest leading up to that emotional ending.  I don't know if it's just me but i got a bit a "Scooby Gang" vibe from it, with You, Ariane, Finn along with trusty Mabari Hound.

Also, when Morrigan says the Mirror leads to a place "Beyond this world and the Fade" did anyone else get the feeling that she transported to the Mass Effect universe?  Claudia Black does have a minor role in ME2 and there's hint that her character has something nasty planned for ME3.