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[eucatastrophe]

Aradace wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Why do people insist that Length has anything to do with the quality of a game...?

Length defines, how long you can enjoy the quality of a game, so the longer the game with a constant high quality is, the more quality gameplay you get out of it in the end. 

And this is the first time I've read, that DA2 is shorter than DA:O and I don't like it. I hope it is at least as long as ME2 and not some 20h short game, that would be far too short for a good RPG, because it needs time to tell a good story with good characters (Mafia 2 anyone?). 

Well said.
I thought Dragon Age was the perfect balance for the Length rocks/Length sucks debate. 
One can draw it out, or one can just do the main quests and still beat the game.

You can't make a longer game out of a short one, but that is typically not true for the inverse.

And now we're back to square one....It's like some of you havent even fricking paid attention to the last few pages....A shorter game does NOT automatically mean it's going to be bad...Until the game is released, seriously, just stfu complaining about how long it's going to be.

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, and if it's filled with posts like yours, I can't say I missed much. Judging by your reply to me, I can clearly see that you are lacking in reading comprehension and thought processing skills.

[Faz432]

People have paid attention, doesn't mean it's going to wash away all their valid concerns and shouldn't stop them being able to comment on how they feel, neither should you tell them to.

[Aradace]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Aradace wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Why do people insist that Length has anything to do with the quality of a game...?

Length defines, how long you can enjoy the quality of a game, so the longer the game with a constant high quality is, the more quality gameplay you get out of it in the end. 

And this is the first time I've read, that DA2 is shorter than DA:O and I don't like it. I hope it is at least as long as ME2 and not some 20h short game, that would be far too short for a good RPG, because it needs time to tell a good story with good characters (Mafia 2 anyone?). 

Well said.
I thought Dragon Age was the perfect balance for the Length rocks/Length sucks debate. 
One can draw it out, or one can just do the main quests and still beat the game.

You can't make a longer game out of a short one, but that is typically not true for the inverse.

And now we're back to square one....It's like some of you havent even fricking paid attention to the last few pages....A shorter game does NOT automatically mean it's going to be bad...Until the game is released, seriously, just stfu complaining about how long it's going to be.

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, and if it's filled with posts like yours, I can't say I missed much. Judging by your reply to me, I can clearly see that you are lacking in reading comprehension and thought processing skills.

Ahhhhh just like I skip over fanboi posts like yours.......Riiiiiight gotcha lol....And beside the fact...I said SOME....Did I anywhere in my post say YOU directly? Negative...Yes I quoted you but it was the quote before yours that was the main target...So, if ANYONE here lacks reading and comprehension skills friend, its you, not I.  You assumed I was talking about you specifically when in fact, I was NOT.

[Aradace]

Faz432 wrote...

People have paid attention, doesn't mean it's going to wash away all their valid concerns and shouldn't stop them being able to comment on how they feel, neither should you tell them to.

It's not a vaild concern until the frickin game is actually released lol....So until then, it's needless whining and moaning about something that hasnt even happened yet.

[eucatastrophe]

Aradace wrote...
Ahhhhh just like I skip over fanboi posts like yours.......Riiiiiight gotcha lol....And beside the fact...I said SOME....Did I anywhere in my post say YOU directly? Negative...Yes I quoted you but it was the quote before yours that was the main target...So, if ANYONE here lacks reading and comprehension skills friend, its you, not I.  You assumed I was talking about you specifically when in fact, I was NOT.

You quoted my post. Forgive me for thinking I should have known you weren't replying to me. I should have known better, that when someone quotes a post, they're actually replying to people who have posted 3 times above. Silly me!

[Aradace]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Aradace wrote...
Ahhhhh just like I skip over fanboi posts like yours.......Riiiiiight gotcha lol....And beside the fact...I said SOME....Did I anywhere in my post say YOU directly? Negative...Yes I quoted you but it was the quote before yours that was the main target...So, if ANYONE here lacks reading and comprehension skills friend, its you, not I.  You assumed I was talking about you specifically when in fact, I was NOT.

You quoted my post. Forgive me for thinking I should have known you weren't replying to me. I should have known better, that when someone quotes a post, they're actually replying to people who have posted 3 times above. Silly me!

Use some common sense and you wouldnt have that problem...I was actually giving you props in a way while slamming on the person before you posting but hey...You want to assume the worst then go right ahead, just dont question MY ability to comprehend something when in fact you are the one who needs a lesson in reading/comprehension.  And yes, I AM cynnical (spelling? because as much as Id like to think so, mine's not perfect lol.)

[Faz432]

Aradace wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

People have paid attention, doesn't mean it's going to wash away all their valid concerns and shouldn't stop them being able to comment on how they feel, neither should you tell them to.

It's not a vaild concern until the frickin game is actually released lol....So until then, it's needless whining and moaning about something that hasnt even happened yet.

Just you don't see any valid concerns, doesn't mean there aren't any.

You need to maybe look at things from other people's point of view.

Mine is that I really liked DA:O but still saw, hoped and wished for a sequel that would expand and improve on that, I'm not saying DA2 won't, but to compair it to DA:O from what I've heard so far valid concerns are -

* A single race to choose (Human) - Has serious potential to cut down on replayabilty.

* Game is going to be shorter - Has the potential to cut down the ammount of enjoyement I get from each playthrough.

* Hints at streamlining and reclassification from 'RPG' to 'Action RPG'

* Cutting DW class from Warrior - Again has the potential to cut down my replayabilty.

These are all things we've heard directly from Bioware, should we not comment on them or show our concern to let Bioware know how their consumer base feels? Or should we just keep quite and only talk about the things we like? If we do that then when it comes out we can't have any right to complain because we didn't say anything when things could be changed

I'm not the only one to have these concerns as the thread shows there are many of us, so perhaps there's something in it.

Modifié par Faz432, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:12 .

[Aradace]

Faz432 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

People have paid attention, doesn't mean it's going to wash away all their valid concerns and shouldn't stop them being able to comment on how they feel, neither should you tell them to.

It's not a vaild concern until the frickin game is actually released lol....So until then, it's needless whining and moaning about something that hasnt even happened yet.

Just you don't see any valid concerns, doesn't mean there aren't any.

You need to maybe look at things from other people's point of view.

Mine is that I really liked DA:O but still saw, hoped and wished for a sequel that would expand and improve on that, I'm not saying DA2 won't, but to compair it to DA:O from what I've heard so far valid concerns are -

* A single race to choose (Human) - Has serious potential to cut down on replayabilty.

* Game is going to be shorter - Has the potential to cut down the ammount of enjoyement I get from each playthrough.

* Hints at streamlining and reclassification from 'RPG' to 'Action RPG'

* Cutting DW class from Warrior - Again has the potential to cut down my replayabilty.

These are all thing we've heard directly from Bioware should we not comment on them or show our concern so Bioware know how their consumer base feels? Or should we just keep quite and only talk about the things we like? if we do that then when it comes out we can't have any right to complain because we didn't say anything when things could be changed

I'm not the only one to have these concerns as the thread shows there are many of us, so perhaps there's something in it.

Now see, when put into that format, it's a "comment" What Im saying is that some folks are out and out threatening to boycott BioWare because of some of these decisions they've made to go with.  Crap like that is just senseless.  And again, as from yesterday....Complain all you want if you wish but there isnt as many of you doing so as you think there is....Which means ultimately, they WONT change anything.  Now what I can say for you in particular is that at least you are being sensible about it and not automatically assuming the game is going to suck (like many others who have expressed "concerns")  and to that I applaud your being able to be sensible. 

But seriously though, we've covered the basis already that there arent enough people "concerned" about DA2 that anything is actually going to happen in the way of changing it....I though Slyvius and myself covered that already...Slyvius moreso than myself but still lol.

[Monica83]

No many people are worried about the direction that deagon age 2 is taking... A lot of talk of gameplay they sayd like 100 times they improved the animations.. But we must all admit DA2 is going to be with lack of contents respet dragon are origins.. Im sorru but what we heared is cleared as anyone is sayng...



Forced human race -stepback-

Static classes only to keep that distinct-stepback-

No more origins story-Stepback-

Game shorter than origins-stepback-

Improved for action:This can't be bad at all but if you sacrifice roleplayability only to sweesh sweesh peew peew its really bad

Dialogue wheel: if is the same of mass effect 2 this is a HUGE stepback



And they added..

New design:and ok its cool

Voiced character -its not a great improvment in a RPG in fact if you cutt off character race and origins storyes only for that you made a bad choice dragon age isn't born to be a mass effect style game-

Better Animation:And its ok

Now compare all this "add onn" with what lacks from origins.. i dont see so much improvments.. Im looking for a dragon age sequel not in a dragon effect hybrid

[AlanC9]

Faz432 wrote...
* Hints at streamlining and reclassification from 'RPG' to 'Action RPG'

Have you been reading the Gameplay/RPG Systems thread? It doesn't sound like those changes are that big. At least not on PC; I'm not paying attention to the console changes.

[Monica83]

No many people are worried about the direction that deagon age 2 is taking... A lot of talk of gameplay they sayd like 100 times they improved the animations.. But we must all admit DA2 is going to be with lack of contents respet dragon are origins.. Im sorru but what we heared is cleared as anyone is sayng...



Forced human race -stepback-

Static classes only to keep that distinct-stepback-

No more origins story-Stepback-

Game shorter than origins-stepback-

Improved for action:This can't be bad at all but if you sacrifice roleplayability only to sweesh sweesh peew peew its really bad

Dialogue wheel: if is the same of mass effect 2 this is a HUGE stepback



And they added..

New design:and ok its cool

Voiced character -its not a great improvment in a RPG in fact if you cutt off character race and origins storyes only for that you made a bad choice dragon age isn't born to be a mass effect style game-

Better Animation:And its ok

Now compare all this "add onn" with what lacks from origins.. i dont see so much improvments.. Im looking for a dragon age sequel not in a dragon effect hybrid

[Aradace]

Monica83 wrote...

No many people are worried about the direction that deagon age 2 is taking... A lot of talk of gameplay they sayd like 100 times they improved the animations.. But we must all admit DA2 is going to be with lack of contents respet dragon are origins.. Im sorru but what we heared is cleared as anyone is sayng...

Forced human race -stepback-
Static classes only to keep that distinct-stepback-
No more origins story-Stepback-
Game shorter than origins-stepback-
Improved for action:This can't be bad at all but if you sacrifice roleplayability only to sweesh sweesh peew peew its really bad
Dialogue wheel: if is the same of mass effect 2 this is a HUGE stepback

And they added..
New design:and ok its cool
Voiced character -its not a great improvment in a RPG in fact if you cutt off character race and origins storyes only for that you made a bad choice dragon age isn't born to be a mass effect style game-
Better Animation:And its ok
Now compare all this "add onn" with what lacks from origins.. i dont see so much improvments.. Im looking for a dragon age sequel not in a dragon effect hybrid

Now if all that stuff you were mentioning as "stepbacks" was actually factual (as in you passing it off as a setback) and not just an "opinion" then you MIGHT have a point.  But the way I see it, what YOU see as a set back, myself and apparently BioWare sees as an "Improvement" and Im sure that there are others who think it's an improvement as well.  And even more who are going to reserve their judgement for when the game is released instead of getting all up in arms over it right now.

[Monica83]

((sorry for the double post my network is bad))

[AlanC9]

Monica83 wrote...
Forced human race -stepback-
Static classes only to keep that distinct-stepback-
No more origins story-Stepback-
Game shorter than origins-stepback-
Improved for action:This can't be bad at all but if you sacrifice roleplayability only to sweesh sweesh peew peew its really bad
Dialogue wheel: if is the same of mass effect 2 this is a HUGE stepback

That's the thing: Not everyone thinks of those as being very big steps back, or thinks of them as steps back at all.We had tons of people asking for a voiced protagonist on the DA boards, for instance. And plenty of people complained about the way classes worked in DAO, especially how rogues and warriors were interchangeable unless the warrior was a tank.

Your concerns are your concerns, and by all means voice them. But for everything on that list there are plenty of players who either prefer the change or are indifferent to the change.

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[Aradace]

AlanC9 wrote...

Faz432 wrote...
* Hints at streamlining and reclassification from 'RPG' to 'Action RPG'

Have you been reading the Gameplay/RPG Systems thread? It doesn't sound like those changes are that big. At least not on PC; I'm not paying attention to the console changes.

Just like those that are paying attention to the console version mostly arent paying attention to the PC version. 

[Aradace]

AlanC9 wrote...

Monica83 wrote...
Forced human race -stepback-
Static classes only to keep that distinct-stepback-
No more origins story-Stepback-
Game shorter than origins-stepback-
Improved for action:This can't be bad at all but if you sacrifice roleplayability only to sweesh sweesh peew peew its really bad
Dialogue wheel: if is the same of mass effect 2 this is a HUGE stepback

That's the thing: Not everyone thinks of those as being very big steps back, or thinks of them as steps back at all.We had tons of people asking for a voiced protagonist on the DA boards, for instance. And plenty of people complained about the way classes worked in DAO, especially how rogues and warriors were interchangeable unless the warrior was a tank.

Your concerns are your concerns, and by all means voice them. But for everything on that list there are plenty of players who either prefer the change or are indifferent to the change.

Monica seems to be failing to be able to differentiate between what is "Fact" and what is "opinion" so you might have to explain that one to her.

Modifié par Aradace, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[AlanC9]

That's distressingly common on these boards.

[Monica83]

Even people that plays mario see same things...



Take flying coins

Jump in monsters ear..

Then save "AGAIN!" the princess..



But many people puchase it only because is a mario title...

But if you have a game and in the sequel you cut down many features well they are not "Improvements" they are "stepbacks"

[Aradace]

Monica83 wrote...

Even people that plays mario see same things...

Take flying coins
Jump in monsters ear..
Then save "AGAIN!" the princess..

But many people puchase it only because is a mario title...
But if you have a game and in the sequel you cut down many features well they are not "Improvements" they are "stepbacks"

What you FAIL to see is that what YOU see as a SETBACK...Someone else sees it as the EXACT OPPOSITE...Please, do me a favor and go look up the following words: "Fact" and "Opinion" because what you are expressing as a setback is solely just that: An OPINION....Stop trying to pass it off as a fact.

[Monica83]

Please lets avoid personal attacks...And im not a stupid dear "DOCTOR" Aradance... I only love what DAO was.. And as a fun in the sequel i want see same things no cut down features only to have a tiny game for casual gamers

[Aradace]

AlanC9 wrote...

That's distressingly common on these boards.

Unfortunately its VERY common everywhere....People constantly try to pass off their views as fact instead of what it is; An opinion. 

[Aradace]

Monica83 wrote...

Please lets avoid personal attacks...And im not a stupid dear "DOCTOR" Aradance... I only love what DAO was.. And as a fun in the sequel i want see same things no cut down features only to have a tiny game for casual gamers

And BioWare apparently disagrees with you.  Seriously, it's this simple:  If you're THAT concerned with the changes being made, DONT BUY THE GAME....However, if you do choose to take this route let me add this: Dont be dilusional in thinking that your NOT buying the game is in ANY way hurting BioWare or their profits in anyway (we've discussed why already to nauseum so go back and re-read those posts if you need to know why).  Otherwise, wait until the game is released before you pass any judgements. 

[Monica83]

Its soo illogical want's roleplayability from a RPG game? Those are RPG "Role Playng Game" is that hard to understeand? If you cut down roleplaybility from an RPG game for action and things like a writed bedore.. Is no more an RPG but is a Action/adventure game.. So i puchase DAO because its an RPG is that stupid want's another RPG in the sequel? And if you don't likw this thread you can find many threads on this forum if you want stay tell your point of wiev about the game.. Don't comment attack people thanks

[Aradace]

Monica83 wrote...

Its soo illogical want's roleplayability from a RPG game? Those are RPG "Role Playng Game" is that hard to understeand? If you cut down roleplaybility from an RPG game for action and things like a writed bedore.. Is no more an RPG but is a Action/adventure game.. So i puchase DAO because its an RPG is that stupid want's another RPG in the sequel? And if you don't likw this thread you can find many threads on this forum if you want stay tell your point of wiev about the game.. Don't comment attack people thanks

Lady I literally grew up on RPGs lol...So you're preaching to the proverbial choir on that one....Secondly, again, BioWare disagrees with you and wants to take the franchise in an entirely new direction apparently.  That does NOT mean it's going to automatically be a bad game despite what you may think....And if you DO think that, remember, thats YOUR OPINION.  (you look that word up yet?) Lastly, Im not "attacking" anyone...Im simply pointing out that YOU are trying to pass off your OPINIONS as FACT.  As soon as you can aknowledge what you are saying is an OPINION and not FACT, then we'll move on.

[Siven80]

Monica83 wrote...

No many people are worried about the direction that deagon age 2 is taking... A lot of talk of gameplay they sayd like 100 times they improved the animations.. But we must all admit DA2 is going to be with lack of contents respet dragon are origins.. Im sorru but what we heared is cleared as anyone is sayng...

Forced human race -stepback-
Static classes only to keep that distinct-stepback-
No more origins story-Stepback-
Game shorter than origins-stepback-
Improved for action:This can't be bad at all but if you sacrifice roleplayability only to sweesh sweesh peew peew its really bad
Dialogue wheel: if is the same of mass effect 2 this is a HUGE stepback

And they added..
New design:and ok its cool
Voiced character -its not a great improvment in a RPG in fact if you cutt off character race and origins storyes only for that you made a bad choice dragon age isn't born to be a mass effect style game-
Better Animation:And its ok
Now compare all this "add onn" with what lacks from origins.. i dont see so much improvments.. Im looking for a dragon age sequel not in a dragon effect hybrid

Well thats your opinion on what we know of the game still in development atm. Doesnt mean your opinions are universal fact though.

Forced human/No origin stories/voiced lead....all the same thing really and im on favor of a voiced lead character.
Game shorter.... In this day and age DAO was a MASSIVE game. As long as DA2 is 30+hours i'll be happy. The game is as long or short as YOU make it.
Distinct classes sounds more appealing to me than 3 classes with minimal differences ala DW warriors vs DW rogues.
improved action...According to devs combat is the same other than improved responsiveness, better animations and instant response to your order instead of slowly shuffling etc. (unless you like that...) Doesnt make it an action rpg ala Diablo.
Dialogue wheel sounds great aslong as the paraphrasing is top notch.
Take DAOs dialogue list put them around a circular object and in the middle add an icon relative to the tone or intention of the dialogue and what do you have?   Doesnt make it ME2, saying that is just poor judgement imo.

My opinions or your opnions setbacks. Not fact just opinions.

Modifié par Siven80, 09 septembre 2010 - 06:09 .