Look at it from their point of view.
- Most Alliance officials haven't been properly informed about the Reaper threat.
- You vanish for two years, and resurface in league with a known terrorist organisation
- You desert the Alliance
- You begin recruiting individuals have have arguably checkered pasts, and fly around the galaxy in your highly advanced ship based on top secret Alliance designs.
Is it any wonder they want to bring you in for interrogation?
Bullet to the head for Alliance fans.
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#27
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:25
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Nobody would try to arrest Shepard in the first place, You cant arrest a specter, if you saved the council (PARAGONS RULE) they give u your post back, if they wanted you out of the way they would have sent another agent after you "That's Specter Justice"
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:26
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It makes complete sense. You surface after being dead, and you're working for a pretty vile organization. The Alliance wants to know why. And they want to make sure that your surface rationale is indeed the real rationale. That means that they need to test you for..
- Secret disloyalty
- Brainwashing
- Cloning (you were DEAD, remember?)
- A carefully created double
And any number of other things that it might occur to them to check. Given that, a period of several months under close surveillance and possibly confinement is understandable.
Now if at the end of ME2 you tell TIM to take a long walk off a short pier, and your actions subsequent to that clearly indicate that you've broken your links with Cerberus, then the Alliance will probably take a much more relaxed look at your actions and motivations following your reappearence.
Anderson practically tells you the same thing when he explains why he didn't say anything about the current status of your former crewmate. You were DEAD. And now you're working for an organization in which someone like Dr. Mengele would fit right in. The Alliance has the right to be extremely suspicious about your activities.
The SPECTRE in this DLC points out the moral and ethical problems inherent in your working for Cerberus when you call her out on bombing the office building.
- Secret disloyalty
- Brainwashing
- Cloning (you were DEAD, remember?)
- A carefully created double
And any number of other things that it might occur to them to check. Given that, a period of several months under close surveillance and possibly confinement is understandable.
Now if at the end of ME2 you tell TIM to take a long walk off a short pier, and your actions subsequent to that clearly indicate that you've broken your links with Cerberus, then the Alliance will probably take a much more relaxed look at your actions and motivations following your reappearence.
Anderson practically tells you the same thing when he explains why he didn't say anything about the current status of your former crewmate. You were DEAD. And now you're working for an organization in which someone like Dr. Mengele would fit right in. The Alliance has the right to be extremely suspicious about your activities.
The SPECTRE in this DLC points out the moral and ethical problems inherent in your working for Cerberus when you call her out on bombing the office building.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:27
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Hacket is like the most senior commander in the Alliance if he says DENIED than that alone holds sway.
Also Cerberus killed a Pope so NYAH!
But whatevs this will soon turn into a flame war.
Also Cerberus killed a Pope so NYAH!
But whatevs this will soon turn into a flame war.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:28
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Incompetent for not doing squat about the missing colonies, stupid for refusing to believe the Reapers are coming.
This is something im not getting, it seems like the game makes a point of the colonists not wanting to even accept the help of the alliance when it was given, so why should the alliance even care that they are disapearing? And yet they did try to do something, or did you let someone else play through Horizon for you?
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#32
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:29
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They did something.....because they thought Cerberus was behind the attacks AFTER Tim tipped them off with that info...
BTW, the point of this thread was to point out how foolish the thought of rejoining the Alliance without prison time would be completely and utterly foolish. Assuming that politicians would even believe you have broken links with Cerberus.
BTW, the point of this thread was to point out how foolish the thought of rejoining the Alliance without prison time would be completely and utterly foolish. Assuming that politicians would even believe you have broken links with Cerberus.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:30
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
They did something.....because they thought Cerberus was behind the attacks AFTER Tim tipped them off with that info...
And? Again the colonies seem to exist so that people can get away from alliance space, why should the alliance do anything about it?
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:31
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and? Shepard was their best operative, and the first human spectre. why do you think Spectre's actions aren't questioned? they sometimes have to do durty deeds to get the job done, shepard's is working alongside Cerberus then so be it. Hackett knows Shepard has a godo reason to be suing Cerberus resources to fight the collectors to save human lives then so be it. I'd want Shepard to explain too, but she had a job to do so Hackett said "yeah right, you're not doing that" If I want to work for the alliance to stop the reapers I doubt hey say no, especailly with the SR-2 being and upgrade of their best ship.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:35
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And? Again the colonies seem to exist so that people can get away from alliance space, why should the alliance do anything about it?
Because one would think that the disappearance of hundreds of thousands of human citizens would warrant a thorough investigation.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:36
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The Alliance WAS trying to do something about the Collectors. It was a bit slow to get going because no one really knew what was up, but there was an EXTREMELY visible sign of it.
You remember those defense towers on Horizon? The ones that you had to help EDI finish calibrating and activate in order to drive the Collector ship away? The game's pretty explicit about just who it was that paid for the towers and was handling the installation (unfortunately the Collectors hit before the towers were fully on-line).
The Alliance really couldn't have done much more than that, given the circumstances. But without that help from the Alliance you wouldn't have been able to drive the Collectors on Horizon away.
You remember those defense towers on Horizon? The ones that you had to help EDI finish calibrating and activate in order to drive the Collector ship away? The game's pretty explicit about just who it was that paid for the towers and was handling the installation (unfortunately the Collectors hit before the towers were fully on-line).
The Alliance really couldn't have done much more than that, given the circumstances. But without that help from the Alliance you wouldn't have been able to drive the Collectors on Horizon away.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:41
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I'm pro-Alliance not just because of ideology, but because Cerberus can't defeat the Reapers. Cerberus' odious political goals aside, it is far too small to pose any serious threat to the Reapers. It is a small terrorist organization, and one that was severely compromised and damaged in Retribution.
The final battle against the Reapers is no doubt going to be a massive battle dwarfing the one from ME1, and probably involving the fleets of every Council race, with the possible addition of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni allies. How many dreadnoughts and carriers does Cerberus field?
Exactly.
Alliance > Cerberus
The final battle against the Reapers is no doubt going to be a massive battle dwarfing the one from ME1, and probably involving the fleets of every Council race, with the possible addition of Geth, Krogan, and Rachni allies. How many dreadnoughts and carriers does Cerberus field?
Exactly.
Alliance > Cerberus
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#38
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:43
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
And? Again the colonies seem to exist so that people can get away from alliance space, why should the alliance do anything about it?
Because one would think that the disappearance of hundreds of thousands of human citizens would warrant a thorough investigation.
I think you are missing the point, these aren't their citizens. If thousands of French people just vanished tomorow, other countries around the world are under no obligations to help the find the victims or locate the people responsible. They might as a diplomatic gesture (kinda like setting up the colonies with towers to defend themselves) but they don't have to.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:44
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You only have to read the Cerberus dossier to see just how evil Cerberus is. The fact that you're working in league with them would be a major blow for for the Alliance if it turned out to be true.
When you consider that the game forces you to work for Cerberus wether you want to or not, thanks to the council being a buch of idiots, then not letting you get in contact with the Alliance to let them know what's going on or report on Cerberus activities. ( And I still think that Bioware missed an opartunity by not letting Shepard work as a double agent for the Alliance/Council after she contacted Anderson to tell him what was going on. ) Is it any wonder that they have a few missgivings about Shepard.
When you consider that the game forces you to work for Cerberus wether you want to or not, thanks to the council being a buch of idiots, then not letting you get in contact with the Alliance to let them know what's going on or report on Cerberus activities. ( And I still think that Bioware missed an opartunity by not letting Shepard work as a double agent for the Alliance/Council after she contacted Anderson to tell him what was going on. ) Is it any wonder that they have a few missgivings about Shepard.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:45
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and Quarian, Hanar/Drell, Elcor, and possibly even the Batarians
nobody likes getting exterminated, it kinda ruins your morning
nobody likes getting exterminated, it kinda ruins your morning
#41
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:51
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As i see it it's pretty obvious that neither Cerberus The Alliance or the Council is the solution, Only way out of this mess is for Shepard to build his/her own organization to fight the Reapers.
Pretty much like Sheridan in Babylon 5.
Pretty much like Sheridan in Babylon 5.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:53
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Anacronian Stryx wrote...
As i see it it's pretty obvious that neither Cerberus The Alliance or the Council is the solution, Only way out of this mess is for Shepard to build his/her own organization to fight the Reapers.
Pretty much like Sheridan in Babylon 5.
I agree.
#43
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:54
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Some desk jockey wanted to bring Shepard in for a debriefing.
Hackett figured Shepard had better things to do and decided that trying to forcefully arrest a man who has no surviving enemies in the entire galaxy would be a bad idea.
I don't really see what the problem is.
Hackett figured Shepard had better things to do and decided that trying to forcefully arrest a man who has no surviving enemies in the entire galaxy would be a bad idea.
I don't really see what the problem is.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:55
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On a slightly related note, anyone have any theories on why Captain Anderson was talking to a Cerberus officer?
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:57
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Though it could have made for interesting DLC if they had agreed to it, and sent Ash, or Kaiden to be the one to bring him in due to their past relationship.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:57
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Isn't that actually... like good? That the Alliance is a organisation with different opinions, despite having a clear-cut hierarchy? I mean can you imagine one of TIM's lackeys sending such a request to TIM?
The Alliance however, is an organisation with many different parts, structures and agendas. You might not agree with all of them, but they are varied and pluralistic - that's a good thing, last time I checked.
The Alliance however, is an organisation with many different parts, structures and agendas. You might not agree with all of them, but they are varied and pluralistic - that's a good thing, last time I checked.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 08:59
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JRCHOharry wrote...
On a slightly related note, anyone have any theories on why Captain Anderson was talking to a Cerberus officer?
It could be anything from him talking to a mole he has in the Cerberus organization to something as simple as him asking them to relay the message of him asking Shepard to place the memorial on the Normandy SR1 crash site.
#48
Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 09:00
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You guys are talking like shep's allies are nothing. Anderson is a councillor, one of only 4 in the entire milky way. Hackett is an Admiral, but now he is the admiral known as saving the galaxy. He has arguably the two best allies in the alliance.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 09:04
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Jamin101 wrote...
You guys are talking like shep's allies are nothing. Anderson is a councillor, one of only 4 in the entire milky way. Hackett is an Admiral, but now he is the admiral known as saving the galaxy. He has arguably the two best allies in the alliance.
Anderson gave up on his political work in the last book.
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Posté 08 septembre 2010 - 09:06
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sanadawarrior wrote...
Anacronian Stryx wrote...
As i see it it's pretty obvious that neither Cerberus The Alliance or the Council is the solution, Only way out of this mess is for Shepard to build his/her own organization to fight the Reapers.
Pretty much like Sheridan in Babylon 5.
I agree.
With all of the other aliances that Shepard can make - Rachni, Geth, Quarian flotilla, Clan Urdnot - etc... and the way the Shadowbroker DLC ended, i'd say that this is probably how the plot to ME3 is going to go.
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