ExtremeOne wrote...
Optimystic_X wrote...
Are the childish insults necessary?
Oh whats wrong because the truth of what the alliance was doing as it concerns with Shepard is finally able to be told. the alliance only give a dam about Shepard because he was brought back by Cerberus . They do not care about him. The alliance needs to die in ME 3 and My Shepard and will handle it personally
ExtremeOne wrote...
FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I would happily discuss this if the OP was a little more civilized in his statement, but no.
don't go hating on the Op. because its not his fault you alliance fans can not understand that the alliance does not give a dam about Shepard.
Uh, Sovereign? The whole 'we are each a nation, independent, etc. etc.' spiel? Combine that with how we know just what made the human reaper, and Legion's testimony that Nazara was a gestalt as well, and the fact that no two Reapers yet shown have been alike, and we have some pretty strong indicators about the Reapers.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Sovereign is a gestalt hive-mind of an entire species in and of itself. The Reapers aren't a species of themselves, but a category of combined individual species, each unique and independent from the rest of the Reapers.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
The Collectors are all mindless husks. They are basically already dead.Sovereign doesn't count. It is just one reaper.
What evidence is there that the programs of a reaper have anything to do with the species that created it? The reapers certainly are a species of themselves. Every human is unique and independant from other humans, that doesn't mean we aren't a species. Harbinger said "Will bring your species into harmony with our own." But even if you discounted that as deleted scenes or something then still: if the human reaper was created it's not a human anymore, it's a reaper. It would still be more closly related to Sovereign than Shepard.
Orkboy wrote...
You only have to read the Cerberus dossier to see just how evil Cerberus is. The fact that you're working in league with them would be a major blow for for the Alliance if it turned out to be true.
When you consider that the game forces you to work for Cerberus wether you want to or not, thanks to the council being a buch of idiots, then not letting you get in contact with the Alliance to let them know what's going on or report on Cerberus activities. ( And I still think that Bioware missed an opartunity by not letting Shepard work as a double agent for the Alliance/Council after she contacted Anderson to tell him what was going on. ) Is it any wonder that they have a few missgivings about Shepard.
Mad Man Mac wrote...
Does anyone think it would be kinda cool if the Alliance did throw Shepard in jail, The events following would probably be pretty epic... Shepard gets thrown in prison for aiding Cerberus, then many of his allies come forward to help him Politically or just break him out of Prison, While the threat of the Reapers grows.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what hs been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Uh, Sovereign? The whole 'we are each a nation, independent, etc. etc.' spiel? Combine that with how we know just what made the human reaper, and Legion's testimony that Nazara was a gestalt as well, and the fact that no two Reapers yet shown have been alike, and we have some pretty strong indicators about the Reapers.
Reaper is no more a species than organic. Organic is a classification and distinction between, say, the Geth and EDI and the rest of the universe, but it has plenty of sub-groups which can be genocided (the Rachni, the Quarians, etc.).
ExtremeOne wrote...
that would be
good for My Shepard then i would have a second reason to destroy the
alliance and watch as that punk Anderson die. but on serious not you
alliance fans really think they care about Shepard looks like you found
out in ME 2 they did not care about Shepard they used him or her for
recruitment ads.
ExtremeOne wrote...
No we are not because we see exactly what
the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he /
she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to
be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of
spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:35 .
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Uh, Sovereign? The whole 'we are each a nation, independent, etc. etc.' spiel? Combine that with how we know just what made the human reaper, and Legion's testimony that Nazara was a gestalt as well, and the fact that no two Reapers yet shown have been alike, and we have some pretty strong indicators about the Reapers.
Reaper is no more a species than organic. Organic is a classification and distinction between, say, the Geth and EDI and the rest of the universe, but it has plenty of sub-groups which can be genocided (the Rachni, the Quarians, etc.).
No two humans are alike either. Legion already explained what Sovereign meant went it said "We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness." We know there is a gestalt hive mind of programs in a reaper. THere is no evidence that they have anything to do with the species used to created a reaper. This isn't like the Borg Collective where individual members of a species are directly assimilated into the hive mind. Reapers are constructed using amassed raw genetic paste which consisted of dead orangics and doesn't consist of any minds like complete raepers have. Even if the progams in the reaper itself are somehow derived from the species that was used to construct it, they aren't members of that species anymore, they aresimply part of the rearper.ExtremeOne wrote...
that would be
good for My Shepard then i would have a second reason to destroy the
alliance and watch as that punk Anderson die. but on serious not you
alliance fans really think they care about Shepard looks like you found
out in ME 2 they did not care about Shepard they used him or her for
recruitment ads.
Destroy humanity's governing body and only representitive to the rest of the galaxy, that's certainly what a patriot would do.ExtremeOne wrote...
No we are not because we see exactly what
the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he /
she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to
be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of
spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
You know, soldiers are people with jobs. And most people in the galaxy will need to have a job. They aren't slaves. It's kind of an inextricable part of being in the millitary to have superior officers. It's not like working for a terrorist group will be nobody will tell Shepard was to do.
A spectre is the difference between someone who is tasked with preserving the galaxy and some random thug who kills people.
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what has been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
No we are not because we see exactly what the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he / she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what has been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
No we are not because we see exactly what the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he / she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
From the emails in the "intel center", you see what a major in Naval intell cares about, or am I missing something?
He's the highest ranked officer..........Yes he has the power to stop you from getting arrested.Costin_Razvan wrote...
The request was denied by Hackett, do you really believe for a second that Hackett has the power to stop you getting arrested if you WANT to rejoin the Alliance?
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what has been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
No we are not because we see exactly what the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he / she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
From the emails in the "intel center", you see what a major in Naval intell cares about, or am I missing something?
yeah i do he only cares about Shepard working for Cerberus he has no real interest in it but that.
Only the part that it is fighting, 5th fleet.Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what has been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
No we are not because we see exactly what the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he / she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
From the emails in the "intel center", you see what a major in Naval intell cares about, or am I missing something?
yeah i do he only cares about Shepard working for Cerberus he has no real interest in it but that.
And he speaks for the entire Alliance?
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what has been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
No we are not because we see exactly what the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he / she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
From the emails in the "intel center", you see what a major in Naval intell cares about, or am I missing something?
yeah i do he only cares about Shepard working for Cerberus he has no real interest in it but that.
And he speaks for the entire Alliance?
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The emails from LotSB prove, from what has been screenshotted here, that a major and some of his comrades in the Alliance navy (what was it, naval intel?) want to bring in Shephard and detain him for several months. I think the "Alliance haters" are jumping the gun here.
(Just as the Alliance fans tend to jump the gun other places.)
I'm pretty sure I'm neutral about the Alliance...
No we are not because we see exactly what the alliance cares about and its not Shepard they only care because he / she was brought back by Cerberus. and plus I am sure they want him to be their lap dog slave with some stupid old and out of date title of spectre so they can keep eyes on him again.
From the emails in the "intel center", you see what a major in Naval intell cares about, or am I missing something?
yeah i do he only cares about Shepard working for Cerberus he has no real interest in it but that.
And he speaks for the entire Alliance?
No but as far as My Shepard is concerned its prove of what they were doing on horizon and was all because he or she was brought back by Cerberus is the only reason the alliance cares. and pay back will come to them one way or another.
ExtremeOne wrote...
No but as far as My Shepard is concerned its prove of what they were doing on horizon and was all because he or she was brought back by Cerberus is the only reason the alliance cares. and pay back will come to them one way or another.
ExtremeOne wrote...
I am all for preserving the galaxy but as far as the alliance goes they turned their back on My Shepard and they will pay for their actions. its about how time Bioware allow Shepard to get even with people and groups that do him or her wrong instead of protecting people like Anderson and Kaiden as well Ashley. in both games Shepard has people wanting help from him and her but the min that Cerberus brings him back the alliance basically starts running a black ops mission against him and her for no reason other than Cerberus brought Shepard back. its ok for Shepard to be a total bad ass in ME 2 with being a renegade but the min someone does wrong to him / her there is no way to respond. Its wrong and stupid. The alliance needs to die if Shepard can not get revenge for what they did to him or her.
Modifié par Wrathra, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .
But as each Reaper is derived of a distinct category and race, each Reaper-gestalt is in and of itself unique from a Reaper of another gestalt-origin. Each gestalt is unique of type and origin, according to Sovereign and the Collector Base, and each gestalt is in and of itself a community, according to Legion.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Uh, Sovereign? The whole 'we are each a nation, independent, etc. etc.' spiel? Combine that with how we know just what made the human reaper, and Legion's testimony that Nazara was a gestalt as well, and the fact that no two Reapers yet shown have been alike, and we have some pretty strong indicators about the Reapers.
Reaper is no more a species than organic. Organic is a classification and distinction between, say, the Geth and EDI and the rest of the universe, but it has plenty of sub-groups which can be genocided (the Rachni, the Quarians, etc.).
No two humans are alike either. Legion already explained what Sovereign meant went it said "We are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness." We know there is a gestalt hive mind of programs in a reaper. THere is no evidence that they have anything to do with the species used to created a reaper. This isn't like the Borg Collective where individual members of a species are directly assimilated into the hive mind. Reapers are constructed using amassed raw genetic paste which consisted of dead orangics and doesn't consist of any minds like complete raepers have. Even if the progams in the reaper itself are somehow derived from the species that was used to construct it, they aren't members of that species anymore, they aresimply part of the rearper.
KainrycKarr wrote...
Okay, so let's say the Alliance doesn't care about Shepard.
TIM does? If anything, Shepard is being forced to be a lapdog for TIM, rather than having a choice between the two.
Anacronian Stryx wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
No but as far as My Shepard is concerned its prove of what they were doing on horizon and was all because he or she was brought back by Cerberus is the only reason the alliance cares. and pay back will come to them one way or another.
Yes the alliance build huge GARDIAN laser defence towers on Horizon because Cerberus brought Shepard back to life...
Yoda : "Truly amazing the mind of a child is."
ExtremeOne wrote...
Anacronian Stryx wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
No but as far as My Shepard is concerned its prove of what they were doing on horizon and was all because he or she was brought back by Cerberus is the only reason the alliance cares. and pay back will come to them one way or another.
Yes the alliance build huge GARDIAN laser defence towers on Horizon because Cerberus brought Shepard back to life...
Yoda : "Truly amazing the mind of a child is."
Its not about the defense towers. its about the spying they did on Shepard that is wrong.
Wrathra wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
I am all for preserving the galaxy but as far as the alliance goes they turned their back on My Shepard and they will pay for their actions. its about how time Bioware allow Shepard to get even with people and groups that do him or her wrong instead of protecting people like Anderson and Kaiden as well Ashley. in both games Shepard has people wanting help from him and her but the min that Cerberus brings him back the alliance basically starts running a black ops mission against him and her for no reason other than Cerberus brought Shepard back. its ok for Shepard to be a total bad ass in ME 2 with being a renegade but the min someone does wrong to him / her there is no way to respond. Its wrong and stupid. The alliance needs to die if Shepard can not get revenge for what they did to him or her.
Cerberus is a known terrorist organization. Most governments have a zero tolerance policy about terrorists.
If I was an officer in the army, especially a visible officer in the army, who died during combat operations in Afghanistan then showed up two years later claiming I was resurrected, financially backed by Osama Bin Laden, sporting a nuclear submarine and cheerfully telling my superiors "hey! he's doing good this time!" i assume they would have questions. If they didn't, I would immediately start a campaign to make myself ruler of the universe, because they are obviously gibbering idiots.
The Alliance's and the Council's stance on Cerberus is perfectly understandable. The fact that someone wanted to detain Shepard for interrogation is actually relatively smart, especially since no one except the VS and the council(? don't remember if anyone else, honestly) had an issue with it.
edit: mah english is bad.
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