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[Lord Jaric]

I love how people jump to conclusions with little evidence

and I love how easily Extremeone gets pissed off and wants to kill everyone for hurting his little feelings and I love how he ignores anyone who puts logic into why things happen

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:58 .

[Randy1012]

didymos1120 wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...
I love how that picture fails to include Hackett's responce.

It's quote-mining, a tool much loved by creationists across the ages.   BTW, if Liara's not your LI and you thank her for returning your dog tags, she'll tell you how she got them:  Hackett personally gave them to her and asked her to give them to you, and to let you know he hopes you're alright.

That moment, plus Hackett denying that crackpot's request to bring Shepard in, made me really hope we actually get to meet Hackett in ME3. Not just speaking to him over the comm, but actually meeting the character face-to-face.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Lord Jaric wrote...

I love how people jump to conclusions with little evidence

and I love how easily Extremeone gets pissed off and wants to kill everyone for hurting is little feelings and I love how he ignores anyone who puts logic into why things happen

I find it's so funny how he can rage over an alliance major who wants to bring "his" Shepard in for questioning and completely forgets how his great love Miranda wanted to put a freaking microchip in "his" shepherds brain to control him.

[ExtremeOne]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

No but as far as My Shepard is concerned its prove of what they were doing on horizon and was all because he or she was brought back by Cerberus is the only reason the alliance cares. and pay back will come to them one way or another. 

Yes the alliance build huge GARDIAN laser defence towers on Horizon because Cerberus brought Shepard back to life...

Yoda : "Truly amazing the mind of a child is."

  


Its not about the defense towers. its about the spying they did on Shepard that is wrong. 

You really blame the alliance for spying on one of their solders that has been reanimated by an organization they consider to be an enemy.

And yet you have no reservation against Cerberus and organization you KNOW is spying on Shepard???

 


i never said i liked that 

[Wrathra]

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah and Shepard wasted a whole game trying to tell those dumb asses in the alliance and the council what was coming but no they all sit on their butts and do nothing. Shepard was killed by the servants of the real enemy in ME 2 and was brought back by Cerberus to stop them. its not  Cerberus's fault that they are smart enough to know what is coming and are hell bent on stopping it. thats just the cold hard facts and if you alliance fans can not deal with it well thats your problem. 

I never said I was a fan of the Alliance or Cerberus, so don't make assumptions.

The cold hard facts are that Cerberus are known terrorists and that they are suspected in the disappearences of the colonists.

Shepard comes back with some ridiculous story that makes him space Jesus (and really, it is ridiculous - true or not) and you are surprised that red flags are flying around?  Really?

There is no proof that Shepard has not been compromised, brainwashed, cloned or any other of the myriad of things that may have happened in a technologically advanced society that can apparently resurrect people.

Occam's razor  - A terrorist group spent billions of dollars to resurrect one soldier and rebuild one ship because  said person is the ONLY being in the entire galaxy comprised of billions of sentient beings that can do something about this, or 1) Shepard is either nuttier than a fruit cake or worst case scenario - 2) compromised. Which is more likely to be true?

Obviously, we know the truth, but anyone in any position of authority who doesn't question this story is not too bright. Period.

edit: clarification

Modifié par Wrathra, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:03 .

[Tag1702]

I'll be honest, I (and by I, I mean my Shep) have gotten to the point where I'm not sure I care what The Alliance does anymore. The Alliance is made up of politicians and politicians, because they have to answer to so many different people, and so many different points of view, are by default unreliable. I don't want to say I agree with Cerberus either but the conflict that's coming has ramifications that go well beyond the Alliance or Cerberus.

I (again, my Shep) are going to do what it takes to stop the Reapers. The Alliance isn't willing to acknowledge the threat, then fine, I don't need them. I made it clear after the Collector Base that I wasn't going to be Cerberus' little lap dog anymore, but when the time comes, if they're willing to help fight off the Reapers then so be it, I'll gladly accept their help. Despite the way I've been treated by the Alliance and any resentment I might harbor, if they change their tune when the threat becomes unignorable, then so be it. I'll take there help too. I'm fighting for humanity and for life in general, not for some petty political disputes.  

Once this is over, I (Once again... well, you get the idea) I fully intend to go somewhere and go to ground and leave this political BS behind because I'm so tired of it.

The same replies in reverse though. If either Cerberus or the Alliance tries to hinder my fight against the Reapers, well then I'll have something else to say. They'll have made an enemy of me, and trust me, you do not want to make an enemy of Alyssa Shepard.

That's how my Shepard feels about the situation post ME2. She may also be a little angry at having lost Mordin on the Collector Base though.

[ExtremeOne]

Wrathra wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah and Shepard wasted a whole game trying to tell those dumb asses in the alliance and the council what was coming but no they all sit on their butts and do nothing. Shepard was killed by the servants of the real enemy in ME 2 and was brought back by Cerberus to stop them. its not  Cerberus's fault that they are smart enough to know what is coming and are hell bent on stopping it. thats just the cold hard facts and if you alliance fans can not deal with it well thats your problem. 

I never said I was a fan of the Alliance or Cerberus, so don't make assumptions.

The cold hard facts are that Cerberus are known terrorists and that they are suspected in the disappearences of the colonists.

Shepard comes back with some ridiculous story that makes him space Jesus (and really, it is ridiculous - true or not) and you are surprised that red flags are flying around?  Really?

There is no proof that Shepard has not been compromised, brainwashed, cloned or any other of the myriad of things that may have happened in a technologically advanced society that can apparently resurrect people.

Occam's razor  - A terrorist group spent billions of dollars to resurrect one soldier and rebuild one ship because  said person is the ONLY being in the entire galaxy comprised of billions of sentient beings that can do something about this, or 1) Shepard is either nuttier than a fruit cake or worst case scenario - 2) compromised. Which is more likely to be true?

Obviously, we know the truth, but anyone in any position of authority who doesn't question this story is not too bright. Period.

edit: clarification

  



I totally agree the story in Mass Effect 2 is complete garbage. and the notion that one man or woman can save the galaxy is a myth. thats what the alliance says but guess what i am not buying it. It was the collectors who did that but of course the alliance is blind and too stupid to understand that. but hey its ok Shepard is here to save those punks that sit on their butts and do nothing alliance and council. Shepard saved them in the first game might as well play save the punks again.  

[Badpie]

I love how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Alliance as "not doing anything" when the only people that ever uttered those words in ME2 were CERBERUS people.

And just as Wrathra said, if the Alliance hadn't been suspicious of Shepard and the unbelievable way he came back and the even more unbelievable possibility that he was either working for Cerberus or some sort of freakish clone that would have would have been so stupid. You don't hear these things, then shrug it off and go "well, I'm sure it's fine." They had every right to want to know what was going on with him. And I personally think Hackett denied the request for one of two reasons 1) The Alliance and Cerberus work closely together at the highest levels of the heirarchy or 2) there was no need for a formal investigation because Hackett and Anderson had already sent their own hush hush agent (Kaidan/Ashley) to investigate.  And if that's the case then Shepard should be thanking his friends in the Alliance for keeping it quiet.

Modifié par Badpie, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[ExtremeOne]

Badpie wrote...

I love how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Alliance as "not doing anything" when the only people that ever uttered those words in ME2 were CERBERUS people.

And just as Wrathra said, if the Alliance hadn't been suspicious of Shepard and the unbelievable way he came back and the even more unbelievable possibility that he was either working for Cerberus or some sort of freakish clone that would have would have been so stupid. You don't hear these things, then shrug it off and go "well, I'm sure it's fine." They had every right to want to know what was going on with him. And I personally think Hackett denied the request for one of two reasons 1) The Alliance and Cerberus work closely together at the highest levels of the heirarchy or 2) there was no need for a formal investigation because Hackett and Anderson had already sent their own hush hush agent (Kaidan/Ashley) to investigate.  And if that's the case then Shepard should be thanking his friends in the Alliance for keeping it quiet.

  



what right did they have when Shepard was brought back by Cerberus. 

[OneDrunkMonk]

I blew up the Collector base and told the Illusive Man to shove it. Considering that I just saved the universe, or at least stopped the kidnapping of humans to become milkshakes, I think the Alliance and whoever else can find it in their hearts to forgive whatever temporary affiliations I had i.e. Cerberus. But we all know there are most likely high level Alliance officers who are connected with Cerberus anyways.

[Anacronian Stryx]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I love how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Alliance as "not doing anything" when the only people that ever uttered those words in ME2 were CERBERUS people.

And just as Wrathra said, if the Alliance hadn't been suspicious of Shepard and the unbelievable way he came back and the even more unbelievable possibility that he was either working for Cerberus or some sort of freakish clone that would have would have been so stupid. You don't hear these things, then shrug it off and go "well, I'm sure it's fine." They had every right to want to know what was going on with him. And I personally think Hackett denied the request for one of two reasons 1) The Alliance and Cerberus work closely together at the highest levels of the heirarchy or 2) there was no need for a formal investigation because Hackett and Anderson had already sent their own hush hush agent (Kaidan/Ashley) to investigate.  And if that's the case then Shepard should be thanking his friends in the Alliance for keeping it quiet.

  



what right did they have when Shepard was brought back by Cerberus. 

They have every right Shepard still had the rank of Commander in the alliance navy, He/she is still alliance personnel - the fact that they opted to only keep an eye on him/her is a testament as to how much Hackett and Anderson trusts him/her.

[Lord Jaric]

ExtremeOne wrote...


what right did they have when Shepard was brought back by Cerberus. 

That's the problem, Cerberus, a Terrorist organization, I hate to sound like a broken record, but if Al Qaeda did something like this, you would be damn sure our governments would want to know what the hell was going on. 

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

So much drama in this here fictional universe --- so much so --- you start arguing as if your in it for real!

[Badpie]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I love how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Alliance as "not doing anything" when the only people that ever uttered those words in ME2 were CERBERUS people.

And just as Wrathra said, if the Alliance hadn't been suspicious of Shepard and the unbelievable way he came back and the even more unbelievable possibility that he was either working for Cerberus or some sort of freakish clone that would have would have been so stupid. You don't hear these things, then shrug it off and go "well, I'm sure it's fine." They had every right to want to know what was going on with him. And I personally think Hackett denied the request for one of two reasons 1) The Alliance and Cerberus work closely together at the highest levels of the heirarchy or 2) there was no need for a formal investigation because Hackett and Anderson had already sent their own hush hush agent (Kaidan/Ashley) to investigate.  And if that's the case then Shepard should be thanking his friends in the Alliance for keeping it quiet.

  



what right did they have when Shepard was brought back by Cerberus. 

I'm not sure what you mean.

What right did they have to investigate him since they weren't the ones that brought him back?  Is that your question?  And if so....  is that a serious question?

Also, like Anacronian said the fact that they DIDN'T haul your ass in shows that your Alliance homies, Hackett and Anderson are looking out for you.  It could be a gesture of good faith.  But like I said, they still had to investigate, just not on record and nothing that would smear Shepard's name.  Which is probably why they quietly sent Ashley and Kaidan to HOrizon.

Modifié par Badpie, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[Giggles_Manically]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I love how everyone is so quick to dismiss the Alliance as "not doing anything" when the only people that ever uttered those words in ME2 were CERBERUS people.

And just as Wrathra said, if the Alliance hadn't been suspicious of Shepard and the unbelievable way he came back and the even more unbelievable possibility that he was either working for Cerberus or some sort of freakish clone that would have would have been so stupid. You don't hear these things, then shrug it off and go "well, I'm sure it's fine." They had every right to want to know what was going on with him. And I personally think Hackett denied the request for one of two reasons 1) The Alliance and Cerberus work closely together at the highest levels of the heirarchy or 2) there was no need for a formal investigation because Hackett and Anderson had already sent their own hush hush agent (Kaidan/Ashley) to investigate.  And if that's the case then Shepard should be thanking his friends in the Alliance for keeping it quiet.

  



what right did they have when Shepard was brought back by Cerberus. 

They have every right to see what the hell is up when a N7/Spectere that they declared KIA suddenly pops up and is bumming around the Terminus systems, with an group that is offically called a terrorist one by both them and the council.

It the same as the US government looking up why a CIA operative who they thought was dead, suddenly showed up and was working for say Hamas. Shep once worked for them so they have the right to look up why this is going on.

[MrnDvlDg161]

In my view Shepard is rouge at this point --- not really Pro-Alliance...not really Pro-Cerberus. In reality Shepard broke away from his Alliance roots when he became a Specter and then melded with the Protheon technology.



He's simply on his own side and doing his own thing.



Why so much fan-dom went into either of these orgnaization, I have no idea but its just as crazy as going back and fourth over the ramifications of Samara's boobs.

[Lord Jaric]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

So much drama in this here fictional universe --- so much so --- you start arguing as if your in it for real!

I know sad isn't it.

[Giggles_Manically]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

In my view Shepard is rouge at this point --- not really Pro-Alliance...not really Pro-Cerberus. In reality Shepard broke away from his Alliance roots when he became a Specter and then melded with the Protheon technology.

He's simply on his own side and doing his own thing.

Why so much fan-dom went into either of these orgnaization, I have no idea but its just as crazy as going back and fourth over the ramifications of Samara's boobs.

Because there is a Justicar built in force field that allows for no nookies.
But yeah the level of fan dumb is getting high again.

[Badpie]

Lord Jaric wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

So much drama in this here fictional universe --- so much so --- you start arguing as if your in it for real!

I know sad isn't it.

Not sure what's more sad, taking the time to actually discuss things, sometimes heatedly on a forum which sole purpose is for people to discuss things,

Or taking the time to make an account on said forum where the purpose is to discuss things and then finding said discussions and calling them sad.

[Anacronian Stryx]

The simple fact is that neither the Alliance/Council or Cerberus is gonna cut it against the Reapers - Shepard needs to do his/her own thing and get new alliances - probably the Rachni but most importantly will be the Geth, At least that's what i think.

Think about it - the Orthodox Geth has known about the Reapers longer than any other faction in the game, They have had longer time to prepare and unlike all the other factions when they decide to move they all move towards a common goal.

Remember the reapers is just as much a thread to them as to anybody.

It will also be kind of funny if the big threat of the first game turns out to be vital for the survival of humanity in the third game.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:32 .

[Lord Jaric]

Badpie wrote...
Not sure what's more sad, taking the time to actually discuss things, sometimes heatedly on a forum which sole purpose is for people to discuss things,

Or taking the time to make an account on said forum where the purpose is to discuss things and then finding said discussions and calling them sad.

How about both, perfect compromise

[Badpie]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

The simple fact is that neither the Alliance/Council or Cerberus is gonna cut it against the Reapers - Shepard needs to do his/her own thing and get new alliances - probably the Rachni but most importantly will be the Geth, At least that's what i think.

Think about it - the Orthodox Geth has known about the Reapers longer than any other faction in the game, They have had longer time to prepare and unlike all the other factions when they decide to move they all move towards a common goal.

Remember the reapers is just as much a thread to them as to anybody.

It will also be kind of funny if the big threat of the first game turns out to be vital for the survival of humanity in the third game.

Yeah I hate to get all "harmonious balance" up in here but this is gonna be one of those things were everyone I think is gonna have to work together.  Maybe that's why there's so much political BS and nonsense in the first 2 games - so that in the third they can say "oh look this doesn' tmatter.  Now you have to alllll be friends or you allllll die."



@Jaric.  Excellent compromise, friend.  :happy:

Modifié par Badpie, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:35 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Or to quote Ben Franklin, Badpie:

Gentlemen we must all hang toghther, or we will all surely hang seperatly.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Badpie wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

The simple fact is that neither the Alliance/Council or Cerberus is gonna cut it against the Reapers - Shepard needs to do his/her own thing and get new alliances - probably the Rachni but most importantly will be the Geth, At least that's what i think.

Think about it - the Orthodox Geth has known about the Reapers longer than any other faction in the game, They have had longer time to prepare and unlike all the other factions when they decide to move they all move towards a common goal.

Remember the reapers is just as much a thread to them as to anybody.

It will also be kind of funny if the big threat of the first game turns out to be vital for the survival of humanity in the third game.

Yeah I hate to get all "harmonious balance" up in here but this is gonna be one of those things were everyone I think is gonna have to work together.  Maybe that's why there's so much political BS and nonsense in the first 2 games - so that in the third they can say "oh look this doesn' tmatter.  Now you have to alllll be friends or you allllll die."



@Jaric.  Excellent compromise, friend.  :happy:

well i still hope there will be very hard choices like both the asari and the turian homeworld is under attack and you only have the resourses to go and fight for one of them and such..

[Heimdall]

Honestly, I can't even blame the council for not believing Shepard, let alone the Alliance. The geth have been isolated for three centuries and nobody but the quarians has any real knowledge of their technology, so the theory of an advance geth construct seems more likely than a crackpot theory about giant sentient ships cleansing the galaxy of life with no proof behind it. Even if Hackett and Anderson believe Shepard, the official line of the Alliance would be in line with the Council. Contrary to TIM's talk, the Alliance is investigating the disappearances as shown by Horizon. They just aren't very efficient at it. The Alliance can't move as freely as Cerberus in the Terminus systems and they don't have TIM's eyes and ears in the Terminus systems.



On the subject of Shepard, of course some parts of the Alliance want to take him in and interrogate him. He's just resurfaced after two years working for a known terrorist orginization suspected of working with the Collectors. (I don't think many of them know he was dead, they just assume his death was faked and he's been working with Cerberus covertly for two years. That does look a lot more likely than coming back from the dead)



If I was in the Alliance Command I'd sure as hell would want to take him in and find out what he's been up to regardless of whether or not I believed him about the Reapers. If nobody wanted to take him in, that would be a sign of idiocy to me, not the other way around.