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[Rockworm503]

ExtremeOne wrote...


I am all for preserving the galaxy  but as far as the alliance goes they turned their back on My Shepard and  they will pay for their actions. its about how time Bioware allow Shepard to get even with people and groups that do him or her wrong instead of protecting people like Anderson and Kaiden as well Ashley. in both games Shepard has people wanting help from him and her but the min that Cerberus brings him  back the alliance basically starts running a black ops mission against him and  her for no reason other than Cerberus brought Shepard back. its ok for Shepard to be a total bad ass in ME 2 with being a renegade but the min someone does wrong to him / her there is no way to respond. Its wrong and stupid.  The alliance needs to die if Shepard can not get revenge for what they did to him or her. 

Strange I see Anderson as one of Shepards only true ally you see him as a an evil **** who needs to die.....
Be honest here you want to join the reapers and kill EVERYONE who doesn't have the name Miranda.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

They see me trollin....they hatin.

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

They see me trolling....they hatin.

They must think Im white and trolly!

[Badpie]

Lord, you bring up an interesting point that I think some people forget about. The maneuverability of the Alliance vs. Cerberus in the Terminus.



Even if the Alliance wants to investigate they can't do it publicly. They have to send small teams or single agents (like Ashley) to places like Horizon under cover of some other secondary reasoning.



If the Alliance sends ships into the Terminus it could start a giant war, which would be bad bad bad. They know this and unfortunately have to take it into account, whereas Cerberus can just do as they please, both because they don't have a public front that billions of people count on to be their line of defense and font of wisdom when it comes to galactic safety and because they're underhanded and shady and have plenty of shady contacts in the Terminus (I'm assuming).

[Rockworm503]

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah and Shepard wasted a whole game trying to tell those dumb asses in the alliance and the council what was coming but no they all sit on their butts and do nothing. Shepard was killed by the servants of the real enemy in ME 2 and was brought back by Cerberus to stop them. its not  Cerberus's fault that they are smart enough to know what is coming and are hell bent on stopping it. thats just the cold hard facts and if you alliance fans can not deal with it well thats your problem. 

Your shepard may have wasted a whole game trying to tell those dumbasses.. But some of us actually played the game.
After Anderson told me that he couldn't even get me an audience with the council I just moved on.  Maybe your Shepard is butthurt that the galaxy isn't bending at your beck and call but some of us decided there are more important things than what some stupid politicians are doing.

[Costin_Razvan]

Strange I see Anderson as one of Shepards only true ally you see him as a an evil **** who needs to die.....

Be honest here you want to join the reapers and kill EVERYONE who doesn't have the name Miranda.

True ally? If anyone is a true ally it's Hackett.



To reply to everyone else. My reasoning for NOT including Hackett's response is because I do not believe it matters. If you had actually cared to read my post you would realize that my point was that you could NOT hope to rejoin the Alliance in ME3 without going through the grinder of questioning. Hackett and Anderson keep the Alliance of your back, but neither of them has control of the Alliance.



Politicians like Udina control the Alliance, they make all the big decisions and if say Shepard wanted to rejoin them, do you really believe for a sodding second that they would NOT get involved? Yeah right.



With that in mind, and the fact the Alliance and Council do not want to believe the Reapers are coming do you really believe for a second that you would not be taken into questioning for months/years by them?! As I said and I REPEAT myself: Hackett's power only goes so far and Anderson had resigned per Mass Effect: Retribution novel, so here's a shocker for you: You can't rejoin the Alliance without getting imprisoned for a time, and that's the best case scenario.



Likely outcome in my mind: Imprisonment until Shepard is released because they realized the Reapers have come, Worst case scenario: Execution for treason.

[Rockworm503]

Its politics and like others I just ignore it all and focus on the real threat. Let those people pretend to be big boys us real men will do their jobs for them.

[KainrycKarr]

ExtremeOne wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Okay, so let's say the Alliance doesn't care about Shepard.

TIM does? If anything, Shepard is being forced to be a lapdog for TIM, rather than having a choice between the two.

  


I never said TIM did but the alliance did Shepard wrong 

He showed up after being dead. Working for a known terrorist organization.

The alliance did exactly what anyone would have done. They said "wtf?" and sent someone to investigate.

[Heimdall]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Strange I see Anderson as one of Shepards only true ally you see him as a an evil **** who needs to die.....
Be honest here you want to join the reapers and kill EVERYONE who doesn't have the name Miranda.

True ally? If anyone is a true ally it's Hackett.

To reply to everyone else. My reasoning for NOT including Hackett's response is because I do not believe it matters. If you had actually cared to read my post you would realize that my point was that you could NOT hope to rejoin the Alliance in ME3 without going through the grinder of questioning. Hackett and Anderson keep the Alliance of your back, but neither of them has control of the Alliance.

Politicians like Udina control the Alliance, they make all the big decisions and if say Shepard wanted to rejoin them, do you really believe for a sodding second that they would NOT get involved? Yeah right.

With that in mind, and the fact the Alliance and Council do not want to believe the Reapers are coming do you really believe for a second that you would not be taken into questioning for months/years by them?! As I said and I REPEAT myself: Hackett's power only goes so far and Anderson had resigned per Mass Effect: Retribution novel, so here's a shocker for you: You can't rejoin the Alliance without getting imprisoned for a time, and that's the best case scenario.

Likely outcome in my mind: Imprisonment until Shepard is released because they realized the Reapers have come, Worst case scenario: Execution for treason.

I agree that rejoining the Alliance without consequence is unlikely without some spectacular occurrance.  People would feel more inclined to acknowledge your point if you presented it without insults.

I only have a problem with the people on the opposite side of the fence that your original post is aimed at.  Those that claim that the Alliance is idiotic and incompetent and point to ME2 for proof.  It is not, see my post on the previous page for why.

[Heimdall]

Badpie wrote...

Lord, you bring up an interesting point that I think some people forget about. The maneuverability of the Alliance vs. Cerberus in the Terminus.

Even if the Alliance wants to investigate they can't do it publicly. They have to send small teams or single agents (like Ashley) to places like Horizon under cover of some other secondary reasoning.

If the Alliance sends ships into the Terminus it could start a giant war, which would be bad bad bad. They know this and unfortunately have to take it into account, whereas Cerberus can just do as they please, both because they don't have a public front that billions of people count on to be their line of defense and font of wisdom when it comes to galactic safety and because they're underhanded and shady and have plenty of shady contacts in the Terminus (I'm assuming).

Now that I think about it I wonder if this was part of the initial idea for working with Cerberus.  As an agent of the council and an Alliance soldier Shepard would have a hard time leaving Council space without it being considered an act of war.  But if you remove those affiliations and grant Shepard TIM's assistance the whole of the Terminus systems is opened for us to explore

[Reptilian Rob]

That's what's great about Mass Effect, you can CHOOSE to follow whomever you want. Don't like the Alliance? Cerberus it is. Don't like Cerberus? Alliance here you come!



I don't see the point of this thread, other than ramming your opinion down other peoples throats.

[InfiniteCuts]

A lot of assumptions about what the Alliance is and isn't capable of in this thread. It's been beaten to death already... but the Alliance was well within its rights to investigate Shepard for possible treason. Thankfully, Hackett was able to put a stop to it mostly because he's loyal and won't throw a proven soldier under the bus... though the thought of him being a Cerberus agent did cross my mind (let's hope not).

People keep saying the Alliance is incompetent without any evidence. We're talking about the organization responsible for getting humans through the mass relays, deflecting turian and batarian aggression, and negotiating its way into political equality with the Council. The Alliance operates on a completely different level than Cerberus... which couldn't even exist without the Alliance's resources and training. They may be slower to act/react due to red tape, but that is to be expected from an organization of its size and level of responsibility.

Modifié par InfiniteCuts, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:40 .

[Raanz]

sanadawarrior wrote...

If a modern special ops soldier who was thought to be dead sudenly surfaced as a Taliban operative you think our military would look the other way?

QFT.

[GnusmasTHX]

ExtremeOne wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I would happily discuss this if the OP was a little more civilized in his statement, but no.

  

don't go hating on the Op. because its not his fault you alliance fans can not understand that the alliance does not give a dam about Shepard. 

And?

You make it seem like an organization like the Alliance has some sort of special obligation toward Shepard to hold his hand and ask him if he's all better.

Rofl.

[Zan51]

What a lot of folk are forgetting, or don't know, is the set up of a military organization. Now I don't know much about them, but I had a daughter in law in the Navy and a friend's husband was also in for 30 years. So I DO know that you are under someone no matter who you are, unless you are at the top of the pile. Your superior is making life hell, like saying you, a smoker, are not getting smoke breaks when on duty? Suck it up, you have no other option! Get nicotime gum or whatever, but until you move up in the pecking order, you are stuck with it. You cannot complain because no one will listen. Fair? You'e in the military kid! Deal with it and be a man/woman!

So yes, they are gonna want to know what happened to Shepard, not least because they didn't think it was possible to bring someone back from dead or almost dead! (Forget plot discussions here, it happened in the game universe) So there will be a questioning of her/him.

As for the rest, you are still a Specter, answerable to no one... and Earth Alliance set you up to be one, and made sure you stayed one when you came back, assuming that like me you said Yes to keep all your options open. So you have all that in your favor. Again as you are still technically a public Hero, you cannot be moved agaisnt publically. Any questioning will have to be pro forma, or get kidnapped and held secretly. That is a possibility... but you can guard against that.

It is quite within the bounds of reality, that knowing Shepard, the Alliance brass is sure she/he is also doing the undercover thing in Cerberus, getting information against them, no matter what.

In the end, though, I see Shepard as now being freed from all ties and able to act independantly to draw all the diffetrent factions to the table to negotiate alliances to face the Reaper threat. Having Liara as SB helps this along enormously. Working together to stop that is more important than petty revenge, unless you want the reapers to win. /shrugs. Your choices, of course.

As for one person changing the galaxy, as an SF writer, I obviously use this plot line a lot. Without it there IS no real fiction, either in games, books, or movies! You want real life examples? Scientists and inventors change the world immensly all through history, think Leonardo and Michelangelo and their discoveries of anatomy; Galileo, Newton, Gutenberg, Ferme, Heisenberg, and today, Hawkins, to name a few.
Everything begins like a snowball. One person starts rolling it and others add to it, then it becomes huge and takes over, drawing lots more to its mass as it races down a hill.

So yes, one person CAN alter the galaxy by being the innovator that draws others to her/him.

Modifié par Zan51, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:17 .

[Xilizhra]

I don't care a lot about the Alliance in particular. It seems like a decent government, but I'll do whatever is necessary, and work with whomever I must, to unite the galaxy into one anti-Reaper front. As far as I can tell, this means backing the Council and its members, and eliminating myopic groups like Cerberus who stand for division and ultimately destruction. Now that the Collectors have been beaten, Cerberus is of no further use to me. They'll stay out of my way or I'll destroy them along with the Reapers.