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[jackkel dragon]

Saibh wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Part two: You'll get to know followers just as well whether you get positive approval or negative approval. You get offered quests and you can start a romance (if a romance is an option) no matter which side of the scale you are on. You just get a different sort of flavor to the interactions depending on which side you're on.

Interesting.

"I HATE YOU, MEET ME IN MY BED IN 5 HOURS."

Yeah, that's what I picked up on.

You can have hatemances?

So, what I'm seeing is that disapproval isn't necessarily that they don't like you? In DAO, disapproval starting ranging on absolute hatred. Here, it's more like they just don't like the things you do or the way you act? 

This is reminding me of the influence system in KOTOR2, which was a wondeful concept that was poorly handled. Yeah, the character's face color changed because he hates me. So what?

Can't wait for the hatemances! I've been trying to figure out how those will be written... please don't be cut...

I also like the lack of party camp. Reminds me of Hordes of the Underdark, except companions have more to do than be your slave ally or sleep on their feet.

[Maverick827]

Saibh wrote...

Again, I don't know know. I could be wrong.

You don't know know?  What's next...

(</3) [----------------------------[]-] ()
Approval: +98 (Alistair like likes you)

[Giggles_Manically]

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Interesting.

"I HATE YOU, MEET ME IN MY BED IN 5 HOURS."

I hate you! *slap*

Are you as turned on as I am?

More!

*kiss*

...oddly enough, it makes for a more interesting entry into a romance than we customarily have in these parts.

So you find the angsty romance to be more of an interesting start to a romance than the flowers and rainbows kinda romance?
Interesting.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

Actually, that nets no approval.

Poor example! You know what I meant!

[mellifera]

zahra wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Interesting.

"I HATE YOU, MEET ME IN MY BED IN 5 HOURS."

I hate you! *slap*

Are you as turned on as I am?

More!

*kiss*

...oddly enough, it makes for a more interesting entry into a romance than we customarily have in these parts.

So Tsundere Hawke is possible!!

Thank you Bioware, for making yet another gamers twisted and generally unhealthy dreams come true via the magic of pixels.

Moe Hawke!

Are beards moe?

[marquiseondore]

[quote]Mary Kirby wrote...

[quote]Dave of Canada wrote...

I remember reading that Kirkwall itself is one giant camp setting for your character and when your companions weren't on use, they'd go around living their own lives instead of sitting around acting all cool.[/quote]

Basically, yeah. It's a big city. It'd be weird if everyone you knew in town moved in with you for years and years. Or you set up a camp site in the middle of a park or something. They have homes and jobs and stuff, and you can find them there when they aren't off punching giant naked poison spiders in the face with you.

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So no Hawke commune.  

[zahra]

Saibh wrote...

zahra wrote...

Angry PC on NPC sex is hot.

Honestly, I hate the prevalence of hate sex, mostly because of fanfiction.

"Didn't you guys hear the sexual tension in the way Alistair spat "b*tch" about Morrigan?"

Yeah. Totally.

I suppose it all comes down to the writing, of which I have no worries. All cool.

Yeah, I stay away from Morrigan+Alistair fanfiction. That way it doesn't exist. Just like the boogeyman and Christmas.

I get that you can be sexually attracted to someone you bicker with, but if you want to play it that way there was more "tension" going on with Morrigan+Sten (or depending on your view of things, Zevran+Oghren).

[Saibh]

Maverick827 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Again, I don't know know. I could be wrong.

You don't know know?  What's next...

(</3) [----------------------------[]-] ()
Approval: +98 (Alistair like likes you)

OSHI--

I didn't...realize...I typed that twice?

I meant I have no idea, and I'm guessing. Not...that I have any personal knowledge or strong feelings on the subject.

By the way, I like that approval bar you have.

[CruserBoii]

 Alistair was influenced by Mal & Xander? Suprising, I didn't realise that, but now that I think about it.

[Dave of Canada]

zahra wrote...

Yeah, I stay away from Morrigan+Alistair fanfiction. That way it doesn't exist. Just like the boogeyman and Christmas.

Christmas doesn't exist?

*looks at the calendar*

22nd of December...
23rd of December..
24th of December..
26th of December.

OH MY GOD.

[Anarya]

I wonder where Varric hangs out then. Varric's Extremely Legit Wine and Wench Emporium?

[Dave of Canada]

Maverick827 wrote...

(</3) [----------------------------[]-] ()
Approval: +98 (Alistair like likes you)

Console users don't get to see where they stand on the approval bar, though! It's just wild guessing and assumption.

[Saibh]

zahra wrote...

Yeah, I stay away from Morrigan+Alistair fanfiction. That way it doesn't exist. Just like the boogeyman and Christmas.

I get that you can be sexually attracted to someone you bicker with, but if you want to play it that way there was more "tension" going on with Morrigan+Sten (or depending on your view of things, Zevran+Oghren).

I'm almost seeing the approval system as an optional hate--like, rivalry doesn't necessarily mean they really dislike you. They're rivals with you. Which is very interesting, but I hope we get the chance to be complete SWEARWORDs to our party members.

The more other people elaborate on the idea, the more I'm warming up to it. At first it seemed oddly unlikely, but I was thinking that disapproval meant they hated you the way Leliana will hate you, you know?

Modifié par Saibh, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:14 .

[upsettingshorts]

zahra wrote...

Yeah, I stay away from Morrigan+Alistair fanfiction.

I'd say FTFY, but... well, that's just me.

[SDNcN]

Man, this system would have been perfect for Morrigan's romance.

[Anarya]

CruserBoii wrote...

 Alistair was influenced by Mal & Xander? Suprising, I didn't realise that, but now that I think about it.

I can see a little bit of this influence but I'm actually watching Buffy lately for the first time and I don't like Xander very much despite loving Alistair. I do love Mal though because come on, Nathan Fillion.

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

zahra wrote...

Yeah, I stay away from Morrigan+Alistair fanfiction.

I'd say FTFY, but... well, that's just me.

A lot of it I really hate. Some of them aren't badly written, but they just suck when it comes to characterization. I didn't hate it at first, but now I just can't stand all of the "Ooh, Alistair dumped me waah waah now Cullen is there to pick up the pieces!". As if he isn't completely unhinged, or anything.

Or the "Alistair dumped me but we eventually get back together because he sees that twue wuv! conquers all!" or "I kept Loghain AND Alistair, TEE. HEE."

Ugh.

[David Gaider]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
So you find the angsty romance to be more of an interesting start to a romance than the flowers and rainbows kinda romance?
Interesting.

It's just different. Normally it's "I like you so much now I love you", so this is a nice change of pace.

It works a little differently depending on the character in question, of course, but you'll see.

[Saibh]

SDNcN wrote...

Man, this system would have been perfect for Morrigan's romance.

This system is Morrigan's romance.

[upsettingshorts]

I don't see any Mal in Alistair. None whatsoever. But then I read The Killer Angels before watching Firefly so maybe I'm looking at it from a different perspective.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

"I kept Loghain AND Alistair, TEE. HEE."

Ugh.

That's actually possible. Just not in the happily-ever-after romance ending.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:18 .

[zahra]

yukidama wrote...

zahra wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Interesting.

"I HATE YOU, MEET ME IN MY BED IN 5 HOURS."

I hate you! *slap*

Are you as turned on as I am?

More!

*kiss*

...oddly enough, it makes for a more interesting entry into a romance than we customarily have in these parts.

So Tsundere Hawke is possible!!

Thank you Bioware, for making yet another gamers twisted and generally unhealthy dreams come true via the magic of pixels.

Moe Hawke!

Are beards moe?

I think beards are decidedly un-moe. Beards + glasses and bloomers however...

[andar91]

Mary Kirby wrote...

CarlSpackler wrote...


http://www.examiner....er-david-gaider


Kind of short but still leads me back to one of my questions about the new aproval system which remains unanswered, so I'll give it another shot.

If I have an npc party member whom I sometimes gain aproval, sometimes lose aproval from can I still get to know that party member through quests and enter in "friendly" or "love" status with the NPC or do I have be extreme one direction or another?  If I do it would be good to know, but the problem of "gaming" the companions still exists.  I would think patience and persistence could pay off here as much either flattery or antagonism.

It's a bit hard to answer just now, since the balancing hasn't been done yet on approval. Also, I have the plague, and fever makes writing anything coherent really tricky.  So I'll do this in parts.

Part one: the general idea is that party member approval is tied more to the big things and less to the small things. You should get major amounts of approval from doing follower quests and handling big plot decisions, and small amounts from the sort of things you decide to say in casual conversations or decisions in sidequests.  So in theory, you should be able to gain approval with a character for how you do their plot, and lose approval for being mean to kittens or for taking goody-two-shoes quests all the time, and still come out with max friendship (or max rivalry). What you do with the follower matters more than what you say to other people or what you do with random questgiver #25; and hopefully, that reduces the feeling that you have to constantly pick dialogue responses a character likes (or hates) in order to get all their content.

Part two: You'll get to know followers just as well whether you get positive approval or negative approval. You get offered quests and you can start a romance (if a romance is an option) no matter which side of the scale you are on. You just get a different sort of flavor to the interactions depending on which side you're on.

Part three: Yeah, there's still no benefit to being neutral with a follower. You shouldn't lose out on as much dialogue and content, though. If you do their quests, you'll more than likely get to know them, even if you somehow don't hit maximum approval.

Mary, you have the plague?  I hope you feel better.  You should call Wynne and see if she can make a housecall.  I'd come over too, but I don't even know if I'll be able to specialize as a Spirit Healer yet, or what healing spells there are in this game, so I'm kind off crippled until then.

[mellifera]

Anarya wrote...

I wonder where Varric hangs out then. Varric's Extremely Legit Wine and Wench Emporium?

Hawke's bed?

Modifié par yukidama, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[Giggles_Manically]

David Gaider wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
So you find the angsty romance to be more of an interesting start to a romance than the flowers and rainbows kinda romance?
Interesting.

It's just different. Normally it's "I like you so much now I love you", so this is a nice change of pace.

It works a little differently depending on the character in question, of course, but you'll see.

Now I am interested.
So is it that charachters A romance can start a normal way and an angsty way, or just one way?