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[Water Dumple]

It's a light machine gun and is used like one. That's good enough for me. You can use short controlled bursts, or just fire so much that any misses are quickly negated by all the other hits caused by the sheer mass of bullets heading towards the enemy.

[RGFrog]

I usually aim lower right side of the target and just let it rise on full auto. When the target is at medium range or closer only a couple of bullets miss. And it keeps the target staggering the whole time. Soft targets, that is. I don't remember what it does to a Ymir.

[Thompson family]

bobobo878 wrote...

btw, whats the mattock?

A powerful semi-automatic only available by buying the Firepower downloadable content.

[Psython]

The revanant is a beast of a weapon. Its truly different than the other ARs. You can get pretty decent damage at medium range with practice and the best sustained close range damage. Also, it has tons of ammo and a 80 round/ heat clip. It is also amazing at shooting large targets when accuracy doesn't matter. The advantage here is obvious but it is not very damaging at range. You can pull off long range hits but not consistantly and only a couple rounds of your burst might hit. This is no big deal because you have so much ammo but it will never take down a target at range as fast as a vindicator. However, using it in concert with the other weapons make it great. Of course you can snipe or pistol snipe at longer ranges while you advance into revanant range.

[jbblue05]

Revenant is the best gun in the game. People who picked the mattock or vindicator are looking for the easy way out. Once you master the Revenant every other AR seems obsolete.

I can't deny the Mattock being the best gun in Adrenaline Rush

Modifié par jbblue05, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[numotsbane]

I just think the benefit you get from swapping the mattock to the AR isn't as great as the benefit you get swapping the viper to the widow. that makes the choice really easy for me. the xbox 'aim assist' though is a massive pain in the neck.

[Besetment]

bobobo878 wrote...

The revenant isn't so bad if you shoot in short controlled bursts.
btw, whats the mattock?

Revenant works best when you full auto like a crazy man. If you are having problems hitting such that you need to burst fire then you are probably too far away. Its jarring at first if you are used to playing classes that like to maintain distance but Adrenaline Rush gives Soldiers mad survivability so as long as you time it right, you can get very close without dying. With the huge ammo capacity you can just let rip with impunity and you can play super aggressive without having to conserve.

Modifié par Besetment, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:24 .

[Sailears]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I love how so many people say something like "The Revenant is absolutely awesome if you mod the game!"

That's not really the point, is it?

ANY weapon is awesome if you mod the game to make that weapon awesome. You could mod the game to give the Predator (first pistol) the rate-of-fire of the Tempest, and the range, accuracy, and hitting power of the Widow, too.

It depends how you do it. Trying to maintain some balance when altering player loadouts does not (in my opinion) break the game by making it a cakewalk.
I only tried rev on my adept because I got rid of smgs and heavy weapons; fair trade methinks. And the thing is, that weapon was all I needed to use in most cases.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I was thinking more about how modding the weapons' actual stats pretty much makes discussion of which weapon is better a moot point.

[Hathur]

On insanity, accuracy and range are far more important since enemies don't die in a split second like they do on hard, normal ,casual.. The revenant on anything below insanity is too forgiving cus you can spray wildly and still kill with a few glancing shots.. not so on insanity.. you have to waste time running close to land enough shots that have any meaningful effect.... in that time spent, you could've killed the same target probably twice over from range with the avenger or any other assault rifle to be honest.



The revenant is fun.. on easier difficulties.. but frankly it's actual kill speed is inferior to the other assault rifles on Insanity (except at close range... but again, you have to run close to the enemy in the first place.. whereas the other assault rifles can kill from long range easily).

[Thompson family]

Hathur wrote...

The revenant is fun.. on easier difficulties.. but frankly it's actual kill speed is inferior to the other assault rifles on Insanity (except at close range... but again, you have to run close to the enemy in the first place.. whereas the other assault rifles can kill from long range easily).

I play only on Insanity, and my experience is exactly the opposite.

The big change between Insanity and lower difficulties is that extra layer of protection added to everything. This means you have to peel away or punch through layers -- which the Revenant does better than any other assault rifle.

And if you're on Insanity and let the enemies get too close, you're in trouble quick. Most times, they won't, but sometimes they do.

Modifié par Thompson family, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[wepeel_]

I don't like it either since it lets you be that much more sloppy. You don't have to take careful aim and make each shot count, but can basically just close your eyes and spray until you run out of clips and still get a pretty good result - the shooter equivalent of button mashing.



I like to play more surgically, even as a soldier. That's just my preference though, the revenant undeniably an effective weapon.

[RGFrog]

sadly, wepeel_ you are among a minority in the realm of shooters. the majority of players want to hold down a button and send millions of rounds of lead down field at targets.

It's a good thing those of us that prefer not to have an option

[Thompson family]

And the best option of all is to use a powerful gun skillfully -- which requires self-control and self-discipline instead of picking a weapon with a built-in handicap that forces you into good shooting.

[NYG1991]

I like the revvy and the mattock. I think it would be cool to dump the heavy weapon and carry the revvy in it's place.



I also think people poo on the avenger too much. I actually like it better than vindicator although it is much improved with the three round burst instead of five

[JaegerBane]

Thompson family wrote...

And the best option of all is to use a powerful gun skillfully -- which requires self-control and self-discipline instead of picking a weapon with a built-in handicap that forces you into good shooting.

Oh please, let's not try and claim one gun over the other is somehow the 'professional's' choice. Hell, the above statement is so vague you could apply it in favour of either the mattock or the revenant without changing a single word.

[JaegerBane]

NYG1991 wrote...
I also think people poo on the avenger too much.

People poo on the Avenger because it fires spitballs. It may shoot them rapidly and accurately, but they're still spitballs.

[JaegerBane]

kajtarp wrote...

wepeel_ wrote...

but can basically just close your eyes and spray until you run out of clips and still get a pretty good result - the shooter equivalent of button mashing.

i dont think so. if you dont move close enough with the Revenant theres a high chance that most of your shots will miss the target, even if your crosshair is on the enemy...

Yeah. To be honest, 'closing your eyes' and holding down the fire button is an excellent example of how not to use the revenant, in any case.

Unless wepeel's point was to demonstrate that the revenant isn't that great if it's not used properly (which is self-evident - the only gun in the game that can claim different is the Locust), I'm not really sure what point he was trying to prove.

[Besetment]

I still don't get this idea that X requires skill to use but Y is for noobs. Like random pubbies bashing AWP in CS though I've never seen a person who complained about it that could actually use it right or properly avoid getting hit by it. Its used in top level play for a reason and has a purpose, its just used for different reasons and for different purposes than say M4 or AK47.



And so it is with this game too. Revenant requires a rethink of how to play to get the most out of it if your gameplan is built around Vindicator or Mattock, both of which will happily hit a handkerchief from half a mile away. If you want to rock the Revenant you just need to find creative ways to get alot closer than that without dying because you ain't hitting a barndoor at range.



The huge ammo capacity lets you go balls out aggressive (get in there!) whilst the close range multipliers make you do monster damage compared to plinking away at long range and not just because more shots connect. You have to time Adrenaline Rush well and gauge distance to cover well because you can die if you don't pay attention, like when you get caught out of cover when AR wears off and theres 3 or 4 dudes gunning for you in close range. Like the other 2 guys said it is definitely not a 'close your eyes and mash fire butan' gun.

[All-a-Mort]

The Revs only real virtues is that up close (as a soldier you'd be using the Mantis or Viper for any distance) unlike a shotty it's not going to run out of ammo when you're surrounded. At least that's my experience of shotguns.



Anyway Bioware should have done one of two things with the Rev:

1. Soup it up further and make it a chaingun style heavy weapon (like a portable version of the one on the gunships ans Ymir mechs), not a LMG for the player.

2. If keeping it as LMG (or not since IMO squadmates should've been able to use heavy weapons under your orders), make it assignable to assault rifle qualified squad mates so as a non-sniper player class needing to get close to be effective, your squad mates (I'm thinking Zaaed and Grunt would like a machinegun) could give some proper suppresssing fire. Not much point trying to do that as the player, because Shep's team mates so often get stuck or refuse to budge and follow orders.

[upsettingshorts]

I love the Revenant. Upgraded or not upgraded.

It's my go-to weapon for everything except long range, that's what the Sniper Rifle is for.  Although I'd love to carry the Mattock and Revenant and ditch some other weapon.

Medium range I use very short bursts (~3 shots) aimed at the center mass and hit the target pretty much all the time.  The recoil still hits the target in the face. Close range I use full-auto and it's just as devastating as a shotgun.  In the intermediate range, I sometimes use full auto but I make a point of aiming lower than where I want to hit and trying to keep the barrell down.  Once you're used to it, doing this is pretty easy.

Not to mention - huge ammo capacity.  Though I don't waste it all like some people in this thread are implying - in some kind of wasteful "lead throwing" exercise.  I almost never go below 300 extra rounds, save the more epic husk battles, it's the amount in the actual magazine that I find extremely useful on a consistent basis.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 septembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[XCPTNL]

I don't like it. It's too much LMG and I prefer AR. I took it the first time I played with a soldier and never felt comfortable with it. Played with the vindicator a lot instead. Now I'm playing with the mattock and took the widow. Best combo in my opinion.

[JaegerBane]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Not to mention - huge ammo capacity.  Though I don't waste it all like some people in this thread are implying - in some kind of wasteful "lead throwing" exercise.  I almost never go below 300 extra rounds, save the more epic husk battles, it's the amount in the actual magazine that I find extremely useful on a consistent basis.

Exactly. For some reason a lot of people seem to ignore the Rev's ammo capacity in comparisons with the Mattock and others. 80 shots in the clip with a further 400+ in reserve translate into being able to effectively ignore ammo considerations in any given firefight. Given the number of scenarios in the game where messing around looking for ammo carries with it big penalties (including everything from the husk mine mission to the final boss fight of the game), this clearly has a lot more impact than some people are giving it credit for.

The fact that the weapon can effectively do the job of an AR and a shotgun simultaneously is not it's only advantage.