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[Trintrin86]

We've got a lot of biotics being thrown around in our squad between ME 1 & 2 and based on in character dialouge, codex entries and the sucide mission I've been trying to put them in order of strength, just for fun.

Here is what I've come up with. A character/character means I think they are about the same level but the character listed 1st is slightly more powerful (ie Samara & Morinth are about the same, but Samara is slightly more powerful)

Samara/Morinth
Liara/Jack
Shepard (if biotic)
Kaidan/Miranda
Jacob
Wrex/Thane

I'm a little unsure if it should be Kaidan/Miranda or Miranda/Kaidan. Kaidan is supposed to be unusually powerful for a human but Miranda's had the gene manipulation so she's not a normal human.

Like I said, just for fun

[Shadow_broker]

1:Wrex is a battle master,

Likley better than jacob thane and Even maybe Miranda/kadian

2:Liara has no indication through dialagoue,codex, or entires on suicide mission that shes a better biotic than any other asari and is definatley not on the same level as jack

3:Jack took 3 heavy mechs down and a space station in minutes, she is by far the strongest

[Kronner]

Based on their powers, cooldowns etc., imho:
Shepard (if biotic) - most powers, best cooldowns
Liara - only one except for Shepard capable of unleashing Singularity
Samara/Morinth/Jack - look great in cutscenes, not so much in the game
Wrex - invincible, but he is combat/biotic, not just biotic
Kaidan - pretty good for a human
Miranda
Jacob
Thane

Modifié par Kronner, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[Shadow_broker]

Kronner wrote...

Based on their powers, cooldowns etc., imho:
Shepard (if biotic)
Liara
Samara/Morinth/Jack
Wrex
Kaidan
Miranda
Jacob
Thane

Gameplay and Story are two completley diffrent matters, Shepard would not be the best biotic in the galaxy even if hes an adept

[Kronner]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Gameplay and Story are two completley diffrent matters, Shepard would not be the best biotic in the galaxy even if hes an adept

That depends. I also considered gameplay. I have yet to see another biotic capable of using 2 Singularities, 2 Lifts, 2 Warps in like 3 seconds like Vanguard Shep can in ME1 (thanks to Adrenaline Rush).

Modifié par Kronner, 08 septembre 2010 - 11:12 .

[NICKjnp]

I think they give you a clue by the recharge times....

Jack/Liara/Morinth/Samara are all supposed to be Tier 1

Kaidan/Wrex/Thane Tier 2

Miranda/Jacob Tier 3



Wrex biotics are likely Tier 2 but with his added Battlemaster/Combat training I would shift him up to Tier 1. Wrex is the leader of a people who require both combat strenght as well as intelligence to rule them.

[Shadow_broker]

Kronner wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Gameplay and Story are two completley diffrent matters, Shepard would not be the best biotic in the galaxy even if hes an adept

That depends. I also considered gameplay. I have yet to see another biotic capable of using 2 Singularities, 2 Lifts, 2 Warps in like 3 seconds like Vanguard Shep can in ME1 (thanks to Adrenaline Rush).

No, Just no
Shepard is not an all powerful biotic story wise, He's only able to do that because bioware wants gameplay intresting. Not trying to imply Shepard is a Biotic god
Jack is most powerful biotic bar none

This would be a list based on what i've seen story wise
1:Jack
2:Samara
3:Mornith
4:Wrex
5:Liara
6:Adept shepard
7:Miranda and kadian are about equal although it's hard to say for sure
8:Jacob
9:Thane

[Shadow_broker]

NICKjnp wrote...

I think they give you a clue by the recharge times....
Jack/Liara/Morinth/Samara are all supposed to be Tier 1
Kaidan/Wrex/Thane Tier 2
Miranda/Jacob Tier 3

Wrex biotics are likely Tier 2 but with his added Battlemaster/Combat training I would shift him up to Tier 1. Wrex is the leader of a people who require both combat strenght as well as intelligence to rule them.

Gameplay use of biotics and Story use of biotics are not the same thing, To imply Cooldowns are a factor of a characters biotic skill story wise is just not plausible

[sinosleep]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Gameplay use of biotics and Story use of biotics are not the same thing, To imply Cooldowns are a factor of a characters biotic skill story wise is just not plausible

I don't think it's coincidence that all the strongest biotics have 25% CD passives. I think going off of those passives is good way to go as far as ME 2 characters are concerend.

[MrCasperTom]

I wouldn't say Jack is the most powerful. Jack is the most powerful HUMAN biotic, it says/hints at that in game. But I would personally swing for the hundreds of year old Asari warrior being more powerful.



But I will agree she'd easily be second.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Canon would probably go something like:



Tier 1

Samara/Morinth

Liara

Jack



Tier 2

Shepard

Kaidan

Wrex



Tier 3

Thane

Miranda

Jacob

[xlavaina]

Jack is definitely the second strongest (agreed with casper), with Samara being the first most powerful (700 years is a loooooong time). I just wish she was actually more powerful in game.

[NICKjnp]

Shadow_broker wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

I think they give you a clue by the recharge times....
Jack/Liara/Morinth/Samara are all supposed to be Tier 1
Kaidan/Wrex/Thane Tier 2
Miranda/Jacob Tier 3

Wrex biotics are likely Tier 2 but with his added Battlemaster/Combat training I would shift him up to Tier 1. Wrex is the leader of a people who require both combat strenght as well as intelligence to rule them.

Gameplay use of biotics and Story use of biotics are not the same thing, To imply Cooldowns are a factor of a characters biotic skill story wise is just not plausible

All strong biotics (story related) have cooldown in their class power (gameplay related).  There is a direct link between the two.  You can ignore it if you want your favorite character to be on top... but it doesn't change the fact that they use cool down to imply the biotics are more powerful.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

xlavaina wrote...

Jack is definitely the second strongest (agreed with casper), with Samara being the first most powerful (700 years is a loooooong time). I just wish she was actually more powerful in game.

Technically speaking, Reaper packs some mean firepower. Sill, the original throw/lift combo with no significant lower cooldown was a joke.

Not to mention the universal cooldown means have at the very least one of powers will be mostly useless unless one micromanages to death.

[Shadow_broker]

We saw Jack take out 3 Heavy mechs with her biotic fist, Then a space station in the 10 minutes that followed. From what we've been shown she IS stronger.



Tiers would more likley be

Tier 1

Jack

Samara

Mornith



Tier 2

Miranda(Due to her engineering and top tier training is plasuible that she is more powerful than kadian)

Kadian

Liara(although she is not quite tier 1 she is far more poweful than Kadian or Miri in biotics)

Wrex



Tier3(people who are just lucky to be biotics and have nothing beyond that)

Jacob

Thane

[Siansonea]

I find Samara very powerful in-game, if you ignore Pull and fully evolve Asari Justicar (Caedo or Sapiens), Throw (I prefer Throw Field) and Reave (I prefer Heavy Reave). By contrast, Jack's powers are often stymied by shields/barriers/armor/etc. Reave is useful against a lot of different defenses, and also immobilizes the target for a few seconds. By contrast, Jack's loyalty power is an Ammo power, rather than another biotic power. I'd say that alone knocks her out of the top spot. I would say she is more powerful than Shepard though.

[Shadow_broker]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

Jack is definitely the second strongest (agreed with casper), with Samara being the first most powerful (700 years is a loooooong time). I just wish she was actually more powerful in game.

Technically speaking, Reaper packs some mean firepower. Sill, the original throw/lift combo with no significant lower cooldown was a joke.

Not to mention the universal cooldown means have at the very least one of powers will be mostly useless unless one micromanages to death.

Gameplay biotic use and Story Biotic use are seperate don't mix the two together

[Shadow_broker]

NICKjnp wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

I think they give you a clue by the recharge times....
Jack/Liara/Morinth/Samara are all supposed to be Tier 1
Kaidan/Wrex/Thane Tier 2
Miranda/Jacob Tier 3

Wrex biotics are likely Tier 2 but with his added Battlemaster/Combat training I would shift him up to Tier 1. Wrex is the leader of a people who require both combat strenght as well as intelligence to rule them.

Gameplay use of biotics and Story use of biotics are not the same thing, To imply Cooldowns are a factor of a characters biotic skill story wise is just not plausible

All strong biotics (story related) have cooldown in their class power (gameplay related).  There is a direct link between the two.  You can ignore it if you want your favorite character to be on top... but it doesn't change the fact that they use cool down to imply the biotics are more powerful.

No, No they don't.
ME1 and ME2 have completley diffrent gameplays so if what you were saying was true we'd have to keep the biotics from 2 games seperate. And to be clear what your saying is not true and you have no indication rather than speculation to think so. Give me one hard fact mentioned by Dev or Codex that backs your claims, then i might take you seriously

[Shadow_broker]

I'd also like to state Jack is not my favorite character(not even top 10 probaly) and think Samara is far better gameplay wise

[NICKjnp]

Shadow_broker wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

I think they give you a clue by the recharge times....
Jack/Liara/Morinth/Samara are all supposed to be Tier 1
Kaidan/Wrex/Thane Tier 2
Miranda/Jacob Tier 3

Wrex biotics are likely Tier 2 but with his added Battlemaster/Combat training I would shift him up to Tier 1. Wrex is the leader of a people who require both combat strenght as well as intelligence to rule them.

Gameplay use of biotics and Story use of biotics are not the same thing, To imply Cooldowns are a factor of a characters biotic skill story wise is just not plausible

All strong biotics (story related) have cooldown in their class power (gameplay related).  There is a direct link between the two.  You can ignore it if you want your favorite character to be on top... but it doesn't change the fact that they use cool down to imply the biotics are more powerful.

No, No they don't.
ME1 and ME2 have completley diffrent gameplays so if what you were saying was true we'd have to keep the biotics from 2 games seperate. And to be clear what your saying is not true and you have no indication rather than speculation to think so. Give me one hard fact mentioned by Dev or Codex that backs your claims, then i might take you seriously

Jack/Samara/Morinth/Liara are all considered the most powerful biotics.  They ALL have cooldowns and weapons damage as part of their class power.  Difference between ME1 and ME2.  Wrex is feared because he is a Krogan Battlemaster.  The codex says the galaxy will be happy when they finaly die off because of how dangerous they are due to Biotics and Weapons training.  Besides a Soldier Shepard with Barrier Wrex has the highest defense score of the squadmates in ME1.  Kaidan is reffered to as an exceptional biotic because he is a functioning L2.  The squadmates in ME1 all comment on his biotic strength in ME1 (elevators).  Thane is Tier 2 because his biotics are offensive.

[sinosleep]

Shadow_broker wrote...

No, No they don't.ME1 and ME2 have completley diffrent gameplays so if what you were saying was true we'd have to keep the biotics from 2 games seperate. And to be clear what your saying is not true and you have no indication rather than speculation to think so. Give me one hard fact mentioned by Dev or Codex that backs your claims, then i might take you seriously

What does his assertion have to do with ME 1? His point is that in ME 2 all the powerful biotics storywise have 25% cd reduction passives. This is easily proven by the fact that the only two who can survive the sucide mission's biotic portion are Jack and Samara. And they also have 25% CD reduction passives. Liara has always been a powerful biotic as well and in ME 2 not only is she the only NPC with singularity, but she also has a 25% CD reduction.

[edit] He posted before I did, lol.

Modifié par sinosleep, 09 septembre 2010 - 12:17 .

[Shadow_broker]

NICKjnp wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

I think they give you a clue by the recharge times....
Jack/Liara/Morinth/Samara are all supposed to be Tier 1
Kaidan/Wrex/Thane Tier 2
Miranda/Jacob Tier 3

Wrex biotics are likely Tier 2 but with his added Battlemaster/Combat training I would shift him up to Tier 1. Wrex is the leader of a people who require both combat strenght as well as intelligence to rule them.

Gameplay use of biotics and Story use of biotics are not the same thing, To imply Cooldowns are a factor of a characters biotic skill story wise is just not plausible

All strong biotics (story related) have cooldown in their class power (gameplay related).  There is a direct link between the two.  You can ignore it if you want your favorite character to be on top... but it doesn't change the fact that they use cool down to imply the biotics are more powerful.

No, No they don't.
ME1 and ME2 have completley diffrent gameplays so if what you were saying was true we'd have to keep the biotics from 2 games seperate. And to be clear what your saying is not true and you have no indication rather than speculation to think so. Give me one hard fact mentioned by Dev or Codex that backs your claims, then i might take you seriously

Jack/Samara/Morinth/Liara are all considered the most powerful biotics.  They ALL have cooldowns and weapons damage as part of their class power.  Difference between ME1 and ME2.  Wrex is feared because he is a Krogan Battlemaster.  The codex says the galaxy will be happy when they finaly die off because of how dangerous they are due to Biotics and Weapons training.  Besides a Soldier Shepard with Barrier Wrex has the highest defense score of the squadmates in ME1.  Kaidan is reffered to as an exceptional biotic because he is a functioning L2.  The squadmates in ME1 all comment on his biotic strength in ME1 (elevators).  Thane is Tier 2 because his biotics are offensive.

1:I meant come up with a fact why Gameplay biotic use and Story biotic use are in any way related
2: Just because Liara is a Biotic focused Squadmate in GAMEPLA(not seen anywhere in actual dialagoue or codex) does not put her the 100 year old archealogist in the same ranks of a 700 year old justicar, Mass murdering ardakt Yashi, Or A girl who blew up a SPACE STATION. Liara is not in the same tier you can put her in tier 1.5 half if you wish
3:Wrex is in tier 2 as is shepard
4: So Based on whether Your biotics are offensive or defensive it contributes to your skill? And Miranda has two Offensive biotic powers and you put her in tier 3 how does that make any sense whatsoever?

Your Logic is Flawed, Gameplay Biotic use and Story Biotic use are very diffrent and should not be grouped together when comparing strength.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Gameplay biotic use and Story Biotic use are seperate don't mix the two together

Wasn't I *laughing* at how Samara's initial powerset proves just that?

[RGFrog]

1. Sheppard, Morinth, Samara, Jack, Liara
2. Thane, Miranda, Wrex
3. Jacob
4. Kaiden

Kaiden is an early form of human biotic with L2 biotics. No matter what you want him to be, he's outdated. Being Alliance and a mere naval Lt., it's unlikely he would warrant the cost of upgrades.

Sheppard would have been given at least L3 durring his rebuild. Jack, I assume, has L2 as well, but with the LX5 upgrade, she's now a touch more powerful than Shep and his L3's.

Jacob has what, pull? Even if he's got more in story land, it's not much. But, without a doubt, Cerberus would've upgraded him. So, he's more bombastic than Kaiden.

Assari's make L3's look like jokes, though. But still Shep and Jack are right up there with them. Otherwise, Liara's mom would have turned him into paste and fed him to the Rachni Queen.

Modifié par RGFrog, 09 septembre 2010 - 12:24 .

[Shadow_broker]

sinosleep wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

No, No they don't.ME1 and ME2 have completley diffrent gameplays so if what you were saying was true we'd have to keep the biotics from 2 games seperate. And to be clear what your saying is not true and you have no indication rather than speculation to think so. Give me one hard fact mentioned by Dev or Codex that backs your claims, then i might take you seriously

What does his assertion have to do with ME 1? His point is that in ME 2 all the powerful biotics storywise have 25% cd reduction passives. This is easily proven by the fact that the only two who can survive the sucide mission's biotic portion are Jack and Samara. And they also have 25% CD reduction passives. Liara has always been a powerful biotic as well and in ME 2 not only is she the only NPC with singularity, but she also has a 25% CD reduction.

he mentioned Wrex who is only availble in ME1
Liara has the 25% cooldown because she is a biotic focused teamate, That does not upgrade her to the same tier as a Justicar 7 times her age and expiernce in terms of skill storywise
Gameplay Biotic use and Story Biotic use a very diffrent and should not be grouped together