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[DarthCaine]

Shadow_broker wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

In terms of storyline?

Jack
Samara
Morinth
Liara
Kaidan
Miranda
Jacob
Wrex
Thane

I'd argue that Kadian and Miranda are interchangable but this is about the only list on this thread other than mine that i agree with on the most part

Thank you sir!

I put Kaidan there 'cos several people in ME1 said how impressive his biotics are and how he's more powerful than most L3s

Modifié par DarthCaine, 09 septembre 2010 - 12:51 .

[Shadow_broker]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:Wrex is a battle master,
Likley better than jacob thane and Even maybe Miranda/kadian
2:Liara has no indication through dialagoue,codex, or entires on suicide mission that shes a better biotic than any other asari and is definatley not on the same level as jack
3:Jack took 3 heavy mechs down and a space station in minutes, she is by far the strongest

Uh, no. That makes no sense. Asari have a natural affinity for biotics; humans do not. Therefore, Liara is probably (90%) more powerful. Jack's cutscene is just stupid how it makes her look so great, but in game she is terrible. Stop bringing up the damn cutscene! It's called dramatic hyperbole, people!

It should be:

Samara
Mornith
Liara
Jack
....

So cutscens which are actually mentioned do nto count
But A characters ability incombat does?
WELL! It''s settled Jack despite being one of the only 2 squads who can hold biotic bubble and being described as the human with the most potential scientis have ever seen then being tested and upgraded on for her whole life is still the worst biotic in the universe/sarcasm

[sinosleep]

DarthCaine wrote...

Jack took down several Mechs. Liara is nowhere near Jack's, Samara's, Morinth's or Benezia's level

You can't hold what someone hasn't done against them as something they can't do. In other words, just because she didn't get a kick ass cut scene of her doing it, it doesn't mean she can;t.

[Shadow_broker]

DarthCaine wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

In terms of storyline?

Jack
Samara
Morinth
Liara
Kaidan
Miranda
Jacob
Wrex
Thane

I'd argue that Kadian and Miranda are interchangable but this is about the only list on this thread other than mine that i agree with on the most part

Thank you sir!

I put Kaidan there 'cos several people in ME1 said how impressive his biotics are and how he's more powerful than most L3s

Haven't played ME1 in awhile so ok i can agree with that
Just happy to see someone agree with me on the most part on this issue

[DarthCaine]

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Jack took down several Mechs. Liara is nowhere near Jack's, Samara's, Morinth's or Benezia's level

You can't hold what someone hasn't done against them as something they can't do. In other words, just because she didn't get a kick ass cut scene of her doing it, it doesn't mean she can;t.

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

[Unit-Alpha]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:Wrex is a battle master,
Likley better than jacob thane and Even maybe Miranda/kadian
2:Liara has no indication through dialagoue,codex, or entires on suicide mission that shes a better biotic than any other asari and is definatley not on the same level as jack
3:Jack took 3 heavy mechs down and a space station in minutes, she is by far the strongest

Uh, no. That makes no sense. Asari have a natural affinity for biotics; humans do not. Therefore, Liara is probably (90%) more powerful. Jack's cutscene is just stupid how it makes her look so great, but in game she is terrible. Stop bringing up the damn cutscene! It's called dramatic hyperbole, people!

It should be:

Samara
Mornith
Liara
Jack
....

So cutscens which are actually mentioned do nto count
But A characters ability incombat does?
WELL! It''s settled Jack despite being one of the only 2 squads who can hold biotic bubble and being described as the human with the most potential scientis have ever seen then being tested and upgraded on for her whole life is still the worst biotic in the universe/sarcasm

Please, use spellcheck and fix your grammar. It is giving me a headache to read your responses. Did I say she was the worst? No. She's the forth best. Please read my topic instead of ignorantly posting.

[Shadow_broker]

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Jack took down several Mechs. Liara is nowhere near Jack's, Samara's, Morinth's or Benezia's level

You can't hold what someone hasn't done against them as something they can't do. In other words, just because she didn't get a kick ass cut scene of her doing it, it doesn't mean she can;t.

It wasn't just mechs, It was an entire space station full of the most dangerous Criminals in the galaxy that governments wouldn't keep.

We can only base there strength from what we see form dialagoue and cutsenes from the game and what is accepcted by bioware as world cannon.
Liara is Close to tier one and at the top of two but is not on the same level as a justicar or Jack

[Unit-Alpha]

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Jack took down several Mechs. Liara is nowhere near Jack's, Samara's, Morinth's or Benezia's level

You can't hold what someone hasn't done against them as something they can't do. In other words, just because she didn't get a kick ass cut scene of her doing it, it doesn't mean she can;t.

Thank you. That is all I have to say.

[sinosleep]

DarthCaine wrote...

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

It's pretty basic logic really that all that cutscene proves is what Jack can do, not what others can't do. Really the only solid measuring stick by which you can measure biotics in ME 2 isn't cutscenes, it's the biotic bubble. And unfortunately Liara isn't on your squad for that. I mean ****,  take away the bubble and go by nothing but cut scenes and Samara doesn't look particularly good either. She beats up some random merc and Morinth.

Modifié par sinosleep, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:03 .

[Unit-Alpha]

DarthCaine wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Jack took down several Mechs. Liara is nowhere near Jack's, Samara's, Morinth's or Benezia's level

You can't hold what someone hasn't done against them as something they can't do. In other words, just because she didn't get a kick ass cut scene of her doing it, it doesn't mean she can;t.

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

Bioware did it so she would look "badass." That's all. Jack is probably the most hollow character as she was obviously put there to look badass. The worst part about her was that she had a "soft side." Jesus, that's cliche; keeping the mean, badass side up during the relationship would, honestly, been a lot better as that isn't pulled with such regularity. She's meant to look cool and nothing else.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:04 .

[Shadow_broker]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:Wrex is a battle master,
Likley better than jacob thane and Even maybe Miranda/kadian
2:Liara has no indication through dialagoue,codex, or entires on suicide mission that shes a better biotic than any other asari and is definatley not on the same level as jack
3:Jack took 3 heavy mechs down and a space station in minutes, she is by far the strongest

Uh, no. That makes no sense. Asari have a natural affinity for biotics; humans do not. Therefore, Liara is probably (90%) more powerful. Jack's cutscene is just stupid how it makes her look so great, but in game she is terrible. Stop bringing up the damn cutscene! It's called dramatic hyperbole, people!

It should be:

Samara
Mornith
Liara
Jack
....

So cutscens which are actually mentioned do nto count
But A characters ability incombat does?
WELL! It''s settled Jack despite being one of the only 2 squads who can hold biotic bubble and being described as the human with the most potential scientis have ever seen then being tested and upgraded on for her whole life is still the worst biotic in the universe/sarcasm

Please, use spellcheck and fix your grammar. It is giving me a headache to read your responses. Did I say she was the worst? No. She's the forth best. Please read my topic instead of ignorantly posting.

I'm Replying to 5 People at once, Deal with the errors. "Fourth" BTW
You did not say she is the worst, But there is no reason to believe she is better than jack from what we know and see.
Your Obviously a Large Liara fan so i won't try to go into specifics as you likley will never change your mind and have written off ingame cutscenes as untrue?

[sinosleep]

As another example. Lebron James nailing a 720 dunk is not proof that Kobe Bryant couldn't do the same thing. Let's not get ridiculous here.

[Unit-Alpha]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:Wrex is a battle master,
Likley better than jacob thane and Even maybe Miranda/kadian
2:Liara has no indication through dialagoue,codex, or entires on suicide mission that shes a better biotic than any other asari and is definatley not on the same level as jack
3:Jack took 3 heavy mechs down and a space station in minutes, she is by far the strongest

Uh, no. That makes no sense. Asari have a natural affinity for biotics; humans do not. Therefore, Liara is probably (90%) more powerful. Jack's cutscene is just stupid how it makes her look so great, but in game she is terrible. Stop bringing up the damn cutscene! It's called dramatic hyperbole, people!

It should be:

Samara
Mornith
Liara
Jack
....

So cutscens which are actually mentioned do nto count
But A characters ability incombat does?
WELL! It''s settled Jack despite being one of the only 2 squads who can hold biotic bubble and being described as the human with the most potential scientis have ever seen then being tested and upgraded on for her whole life is still the worst biotic in the universe/sarcasm

Please, use spellcheck and fix your grammar. It is giving me a headache to read your responses. Did I say she was the worst? No. She's the forth best. Please read my topic instead of ignorantly posting.

I'm Replying to 5 People at once, Deal with the errors. "Fourth" BTW
You did not say she is the worst, But there is no reason to believe she is better than jack from what we know and see.
Your Obviously a Large Liara fan so i won't try to go into specifics as you likley will never change your mind and have written off ingame cutscenes as untrue?

What? I cannot for the life of me understand what you are posting. What does ""Fourth" BTW
You did not say she is the worst, But there is no reason to believe she is better than jack from what we know and see. " Perhaps you should reference the subject before using a pronoun so we know who the hell you are talking about.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:07 .

[Shadow_broker]

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

It's pretty basic logic really that all that cutscene proves is what Jack can do, not what others can't do. Really the only solid measuring stick by which you can measure biotics in ME 2 isn't cutscenes, it's the biotic bubble. And unfortunately Liara isn't on your squad for that. I mean ****,  take away the bubble and go by nothing but cut scenes and Samara doesn't look particularly good either. She beats up some random merc and Morinth.

Samara has dialagoue and codex entries to back her powers(don't let everyone be a justicar you know?)

700 year old justicar can barley hold it and sometimes can't
Liara is 100 year old info broker of same race, There is no way she could hold the bubble

[DarthCaine]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Bioware did it so she would look "badass." That's all. Jack is probably the most hollow character as she was obviously put there to look badass. The worst part about her was that she had a "soft side." Jesus, that's cliche; keeping the mean, badass side up during the relationship would, honestly, been a lot better as that isn't pulled with such regularity. She's meant to look cool and nothing else.

So, judging by that comment and the avatar, I can see that you're just biased and nothing will change your false opinion that LIARA IS THE BEST EVAAAR.

Why do you think they did the mercs kills in the DLC and the comics? It's so that Liara would look cooler and badass. In ME1 she was a boring nerd with very little biotic power. Before the DLC I would have ranked Liara's power below Miranda's (see my list)

[Unit-Alpha]

Shadow_broker wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

It's pretty basic logic really that all that cutscene proves is what Jack can do, not what others can't do. Really the only solid measuring stick by which you can measure biotics in ME 2 isn't cutscenes, it's the biotic bubble. And unfortunately Liara isn't on your squad for that. I mean ****,  take away the bubble and go by nothing but cut scenes and Samara doesn't look particularly good either. She beats up some random merc and Morinth.

Samara has dialagoue and codex entries to back her powers(don't let everyone be a justicar you know?)

700 year old justicar can barley hold it and sometimes can't
Liara is 100 year old info broker of same race, There is no way she could hold the bubble

I agree that Samara is more powerful. However, do we have any information that says, "biotics mature and gain tons of strength with age?" Biotics could be like a fine wine or they could be like virility. We don't know that it's an exponential jump.

[Shadow_broker]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:Wrex is a battle master,
Likley better than jacob thane and Even maybe Miranda/kadian
2:Liara has no indication through dialagoue,codex, or entires on suicide mission that shes a better biotic than any other asari and is definatley not on the same level as jack
3:Jack took 3 heavy mechs down and a space station in minutes, she is by far the strongest

Uh, no. That makes no sense. Asari have a natural affinity for biotics; humans do not. Therefore, Liara is probably (90%) more powerful. Jack's cutscene is just stupid how it makes her look so great, but in game she is terrible. Stop bringing up the damn cutscene! It's called dramatic hyperbole, people!

It should be:

Samara
Mornith
Liara
Jack
....

So cutscens which are actually mentioned do nto count
But A characters ability incombat does?
WELL! It''s settled Jack despite being one of the only 2 squads who can hold biotic bubble and being described as the human with the most potential scientis have ever seen then being tested and upgraded on for her whole life is still the worst biotic in the universe/sarcasm

Please, use spellcheck and fix your grammar. It is giving me a headache to read your responses. Did I say she was the worst? No. She's the forth best. Please read my topic instead of ignorantly posting.

I'm Replying to 5 People at once, Deal with the errors. "Fourth" BTW
You did not say she is the worst, But there is no reason to believe she is better than jack from what we know and see.
Your Obviously a Large Liara fan so i won't try to go into specifics as you likley will never change your mind and have written off ingame cutscenes as untrue?

What? I cannot for the life of me understand what you are posting. What does ""Fourth" BTW
You did not say she is the worst, But there is no reason to believe she is better than jack from what we know and see. " Perhaps you should reference the direct object before using an object pronoun so we know who the hell you are talking about.

Sigh...."fourth" was a refrence to your spelling error after you were  acting rather crtitical upon mine.
Perhaps you should use common knolwedge and context clues to figure out what i'm reffering to.

[Unit-Alpha]

DarthCaine wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Bioware did it so she would look "badass." That's all. Jack is probably the most hollow character as she was obviously put there to look badass. The worst part about her was that she had a "soft side." Jesus, that's cliche; keeping the mean, badass side up during the relationship would, honestly, been a lot better as that isn't pulled with such regularity. She's meant to look cool and nothing else.

So, judging by that comment and the avatar, I can see that you're just biased and nothing will change your false opinion that LIARA IS THE BEST EVAAAR.

Why do you think they did the mercs kills in the DLC and the comics? It's so that Liara would look cooler and badass. In ME1 she was a boring nerd with very little biotic power. Before the DLC I would have ranked Liara's power below Miranda's (see my list)

Uh, you as well. Learn to read, for god's sake. I said the order was Samara, Mornith, Liara, Jack. Did that not get through to you?

[DarthCaine]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Uh, you as well. Learn to read, for god's sake. I said the order was Samara, Mornith, Liara, Jack. Did that not get through to you?

Which is exactly my point. There's no way in hell Liara is stronger than Jack.
Your opinion on biotics is biased because you <3 Liara and hate Jack

Modifié par DarthCaine, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:12 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Shadow_broker wrote...

*snip*

Ah yes, I misspelled one word out of several hundred, a ratio of about .002. That's better than .2.

[sinosleep]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Sigh...."fourth" was a refrence to your spelling error after you were  acting rather crtitical upon mine.
Perhaps you should use common knolwedge and context clues to figure out what i'm reffering to.

Forum tip, when you quote, go to the bottom and find the actual quote, delete everything above it until you reach

XXXXX wrote...

I have no idea why this forum has such a bad quoting method.

[Unit-Alpha]

DarthCaine wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Uh, you as well. Learn to read, for god's sake. I said the order was Samara, Mornith, Liara, Jack. Did that not get through to you?

Which is exactly my point. There's no way in hell Liara is stronger than Jack.
Your opinion on biotics is biased because you <3 Liara and hate Jack

Did I say I hate Jack? No. You are infering things. I said she was hollow, I didn't say I hated her.

Besides, I don't "love" Liara," She's a freaking bunch of indents and flat planes on a disc. Nothing more. A great character, sure. But nothing more than that.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Shadow_broker]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

It's pretty basic logic really that all that cutscene proves is what Jack can do, not what others can't do. Really the only solid measuring stick by which you can measure biotics in ME 2 isn't cutscenes, it's the biotic bubble. And unfortunately Liara isn't on your squad for that. I mean ****,  take away the bubble and go by nothing but cut scenes and Samara doesn't look particularly good either. She beats up some random merc and Morinth.

Samara has dialagoue and codex entries to back her powers(don't let everyone be a justicar you know?)

700 year old justicar can barley hold it and sometimes can't
Liara is 100 year old info broker of same race, There is no way she could hold the bubble

I agree that Samara is more powerful. However, do we have any information that says, "biotics mature and gain tons of strength with age?" Biotics could be like a fine wine or they could be like virility. We don't know that it's an exponential jump.

Age is relevant because Samara has likley been using Biotics longer and likley knows how to use them better than a character a seventh her age. Practice makes perfect in otherwords
Liara is still young in terms of Asari biotics and likley has not fufilled her full potential yet.

[Shadow_broker]

sinosleep wrote...



Forum tip, when you quote, go to the bottom and find the actual quote, delete everything above it until you reach

XXXXX wrote...

I have no idea why this forum has such a bad quoting method.

Speed would be the reason
I'll try to to stop the over Quoting

[Unit-Alpha]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

By that logic, what makes you think that Thane, Wrex, Jacob or even the Biotic God can't take down several Mechs ?

It's pretty basic logic really that all that cutscene proves is what Jack can do, not what others can't do. Really the only solid measuring stick by which you can measure biotics in ME 2 isn't cutscenes, it's the biotic bubble. And unfortunately Liara isn't on your squad for that. I mean ****,  take away the bubble and go by nothing but cut scenes and Samara doesn't look particularly good either. She beats up some random merc and Morinth.

Samara has dialagoue and codex entries to back her powers(don't let everyone be a justicar you know?)

700 year old justicar can barley hold it and sometimes can't
Liara is 100 year old info broker of same race, There is no way she could hold the bubble

I agree that Samara is more powerful. However, do we have any information that says, "biotics mature and gain tons of strength with age?" Biotics could be like a fine wine or they could be like virility. We don't know that it's an exponential jump.

Age is relevant because Samara has likley been using Biotics longer and likley knows how to use them better than a character a seventh her age. Practice makes perfect in otherwords
Liara is still young in terms of Asari biotics and likley has not fufilled her full potential yet.

Yet again, I agree that this is right. I do not, in any way, believe that Liara is more powerful than Samara. I'm just saying that we don't know the rate of power increase so there is no way to claim with substantial proof that Liara couldn't hold a bubble.

See, I have been playing soccer for about 8 years. My ability rapidly increased for the first 3, then it hit a basic mesa with just slight improvements. Biotics could be the same way.