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[Saibh]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Your point was if i don't like a single aspect of the game i should hold my tounge and never play it for that reason, No?
Your rude demaenor is not constructive, Please grow up and share your ideas rather than witty internet charm.

No, it wasn't. The point, my friend, was that if you don't like a cental and focal part of the game, like dialogue, character interaction, setting, or genre, why would you get it? Similarly, the existence of these archetypes is important. If you don't like it, there's no point in getting the game--if you can tolerate them, there's no point in complaining, since, again, they're too important.

I'm sorry, your belief that the elves are all cliche and stereotypical seems to exist only in your head.

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...
I'm sorry, your belief that the elves are all cliche and stereotypical seems to exist only in your head.

This. They may have some elements from Tolkien's elves, but hey, Zevran even has a dialogue with Oghren mocking the Elven/Dwarven rivalry that appears in most fantasy settings.

[Shadow_broker]

thegreateski wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Bring Small ELf Warrior WITH Massive armor in!
bring old unatractive elf who is not wise or particularly insightful in!
Bring a squadmate who dosen't mention his/her elven heritage in every chat IN!

1. The Warden. (warrior)
2. Zathrian
3. Zevran

1. Warden has no set personality, Not an actual charater and is written by us the player, not bioware
2.Zathrian had to have some rather wise (yet arrogant) insights. He was the keeper(spiritual leader) afterall
3.I already stated that i enjoyed zevran and hope to see another character as unique as him

You asked for an Elf that could wear massive armor. That's The Warden and a few mercenaries.
Zathrian is an arrogant douche. Tell me of these wonderful insights or I shall have you mauled by nugs. He was not their spiritual leader either, he simply was their leader and keeper of old Elven lore. More of a historian really.
Good. Why mention that last part as a complaint then? It makes no sense.

1. Missed my point, I want elfs to break typical idea of an elf somewhat armor was just an example
2.Im sure he was friendly and insightful to his clan, he dosen;t like outsiders as his subplot explains
3.wasn't referring to zevran, Was referring to Velanna as a squadmate who was rather cliche IMO

[Saibh]

Shadow_broker wrote...

1. Missed my point, I want elfs to break typical idea of an elf somewhat armor was just an example

The fact that elves wear light armor and use bows is, again, an archetype associated with the race. The fact that some elves do wear massive armor (and this is keeping in mind that elves are small and slight, something that is against the normal, tall, strong, and willowy cliche) just goes to show that nothing is always true of the species, which you are failing to grasp.

Are you asking for them to have none of the archetypes? For them to always wear massive armors, use heavy two-handed blades? 

2.Im sure he was friendly and insightful to his clan, he dosen;t like outsiders as his subplot explains

Except, as I pointed out earlier and you ignored, he risks their lives and well-being for petty revenge.

And, again, elves are seen as wise, caring, compassionate--not vengeful and suspicious racists.

[Shadow_broker]

Saibh wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Your point was if i don't like a single aspect of the game i should hold my tounge and never play it for that reason, No?
Your rude demaenor is not constructive, Please grow up and share your ideas rather than witty internet charm.

No, it wasn't. The point, my friend, was that if you don't like a cental and focal part of the game, like dialogue, character interaction, setting, or genre, why would you get it? Similarly, the existence of these archetypes is important. If you don't like it, there's no point in getting the game--if you can tolerate them, there's no point in complaining, since, again, they're too important.

I'm sorry, your belief that the elves are all cliche and stereotypical seems to exist only in your head.

1:How is 90% elves acting identical a focal part of the game whatsoever? It's an overused cliche that was avoided with dwarves and mages without hurting their archetype
2:As i stated twice before, I in general love caracter interaction, setting, and Genre, thus got the game. If i don't like something why is it wrong to share my opinion on how i think it could be improved upon? isn't that the purpose of a forum, to discuss the subject matter.

You may disagree with my ideas as much as you wish but please stop with the personal attacks. It is against Forum guidlines and not releant to the discussion

[Riona45]

Shadow_broker wrote...


1:How is 90% elves acting identical a focal part of the game whatsoever? It's an overused cliche that was avoided with dwarves and mages without hurting their archetype

Most characters of any race were "identical" in the sense that they were just background NPCs used to populate settled areas.

You may disagree with my ideas as much as you wish but please stop with the personal attacks. It is against Forum guidlines and not releant to the discussion

Umm, she's not attacking you.  That you keep insisting that she is, is a little...bizarre.

Modifié par Riona45, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[ThE EviL DarK waRdeN]

WELL HOW ABOUT THIS : WHY R DWARVES SHORT ????

answer : cause they r dwarves

so the answer to Why do Elves always have pointy ears?

cause they r elves

as simple as that!!!

[Shadow_broker]

Saibh wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1. Missed my point, I want elfs to break typical idea of an elf somewhat armor was just an example

The fact that elves wear light armor and use bows is, again, an archetype associated with the race. The fact that some elves do wear massive armor (and this is keeping in mind that elves are small and slight, something that is against the normal, tall, strong, and willowy cliche) just goes to show that nothing is always true of the species, which you are failing to grasp.

Are you asking for them to have none of the archetypes? For them to always wear massive armors, use heavy two-handed blades? 

2.Im sure he was friendly and insightful to his clan, he dosen;t like outsiders as his subplot explains

Except, as I pointed out earlier and you ignored, he risks their lives and well-being for petty revenge.

And, again, elves are seen as wise, caring, compassionate--not vengeful and suspicious racists.

1. AGAIN I don't mind archetypes, and don't need to see all of them in heay armor, But to the best of my memory i can not remember a single elf equipped in anything more than leather.
2. I did not ignore you, Does risking someones life make you unwise depsite circumstance? He Showed Great care and compassion for his children, and their loss caused him to make a coice he saw fit. Was it wrong, Yes. But when someone murders and rapes your children you tend to change

[Saibh]

Shadow_broker wrote...

1. AGAIN I don't mind archetypes, and don't need to see all of them in heay armor, But to the best of my memory i can not remember a single elf equipped in anything more than leather.

Well, Ariane was a PC in medium metal armor the entire time. Dual-wielder.

2. I did not ignore you, Does risking someones life make you unwise depsite circumstance? He Showed Great care and compassion for his children, and their loss caused him to make a coice he saw fit. Was it wrong, Yes. But when someone murders and rapes your children you tend to change

Maybe endangering the entire clan you're sworn to protect does. He does it for revenge, and even he admits he's no longer punishing the people who harmed him in the first place. The werewolves are innocent, and are in pain simply because he is petty.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:25 .

[Saibh]

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:How is 90% elves acting identical a focal part of the game whatsoever? It's an overused cliche that was avoided with dwarves and mages without hurting their archetype

As Riona said, some background characters don't have fleshed out behavior. Most of the background mages still act like bookish scholars, what's your point?

2:As i stated twice before, I in general love caracter interaction, setting, and Genre, thus got the game. If i don't like something why is it wrong to share my opinion on how i think it could be improved upon? isn't that the purpose of a forum, to discuss the subject matter.

Okay, maybe you're getting confused by me saying a universal "you" instead of "they".

Again, my point is if someone (not you) doesn't like something focal to the game, something the game is built upon, like dialogue or setting, there's no reason to complain about it. It's like me complaining about RTSs on an RTS board because I don't like the very core of them.

The archetypes exist, and you seem to have weird feelings on why they do. Again, you seem to think they're all cliched, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of people agreeing with you. There's not a lot of important elven NPCs, that's the problem. But the important ones are unique.

[namedforthemoon]

I think DA has kept elves AWAY from the cliches... Nevermind the pointy ears. I've never seen a fantasy where the elves are slaves and live in misery in city ghettos. They're either golden-haired lightweight ranger Mary Sues, minature cookie bakers that live in a tree trunk, or live at the North Pole making toys.

[ThE EviL DarK waRdeN]

i think that the elves should characterized as the the people who value honor and justice and they r spoused to be enemies with the dwarves ........why rnt they enemy with the dwarves???/

[namedforthemoon]

ThE EviL DarK waRdeN wrote...

i think that the elves should characterized as the the people who value honor and justice and they r spoused to be enemies with the dwarves ........why rnt they enemy with the dwarves???/

Because the durglen helped the elves to escape the humans way back when Arlathan fell.

[ThE EviL DarK waRdeN]

but they r always enemy with the dwarves !!!! and humans always fix there problems and make them friends again

[Saibh]

ThE EviL DarK waRdeN wrote...

but they r always enemy with the dwarves !!!! and humans always fix there problems and make them friends again

I don't recall that happening in LotR, the source of that cliche. Gimli and Legolas because friends, but it wasn't like Aragorn made them or anything, and it didn't overtly impact the story. Considering they disappeared, like, a year later.

Also, I'm glad it doesn't exist. I also like the lack of Scottish accents.

Personally, I think the elves are an entire race of Mary Sues and I support these changes.

[ThE EviL DarK waRdeN]

AND that why darkspawn should attack humans first so that the dwarves and the elves fight each other while the humans r concentrating on te darkspawn!!!

[Shadow_broker]

Saibh wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

1:How is 90% elves acting identical a focal part of the game whatsoever? It's an overused cliche that was avoided with dwarves and mages without hurting their archetype

As Riona said, some background characters don't have fleshed out behavior. Most of the background mages still act like bookish scholars, what's your point?

2:As i stated twice before, I in general love caracter interaction, setting, and Genre, thus got the game. If i don't like something why is it wrong to share my opinion on how i think it could be improved upon? isn't that the purpose of a forum, to discuss the subject matter.

Okay, maybe you're getting confused by me saying a universal "you" instead of "they".

Again, my point is if someone (not you) doesn't like something focal to the game, something the game is built upon, like dialogue or setting, there's no reason to complain about it. It's like me complaining about RTSs on an RTS board because I don't like the very core of them.

The archetypes exist, and you seem to have weird feelings on why they do. Again, you seem to think they're all cliched, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of people agreeing with you. There's not a lot of important elven NPCs, that's the problem. But the important ones are unique.

 
I only remember one bookworm from mage origin, Niall. The others were chantry crazy, Tranquill, or in the case of jowan a man resorting to extremes for his love.
I'm not asking that every elf has a indepth backround unique to him/her just that important ones do so i don't get another Velanna and would like to see some opinions of minor elves differ from others. They seem to share a consenseus on almost everything. Why don't we run into a single Elf in Plate? Why do Dalish always use bows when they have Swords and Maces availble, Does every Dalish love bows that much? 
I don't think Elves acting with a predictable mentality is a focal part of the game, and can be improved upon. Would  like to see more Diversity among them, i Don't think they need to change the archtype in order to achieve that. 

[ThE EviL DarK waRdeN]

yeah cool they sound like some barbariouse people who know nothing in life other that fighting (whish is true )