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[Kusy]

I would have no problem with the starfishfaces if they were even remotely mentioned before. Drell - I can understand, there are not many of them and they tend to stay on Hanar worlds, Vorcha - I can understand since they are so unwelcome they are only seen on Tuchanka where they serve as Krogan minions and on Omega where they are vermin...

The very first thing that seriously hits you in the face is that this particular Yahg was uberintelingent right?

So if he was living in a society of brutes he would get killed as part of the natural selection, or if he was as strong as others AND uberinteligent he would become their leader. That's the only conclusion because if every Yagh was capable to uphold an information trading network with it's contacts literaly everywhere for 60 years, able to speak several diffrent languages without a translator and use advanced alien technology they wouldn't be a species of brutes or they wouldn't be technologicaly slower than the others.

So ok, this Yahg was a prodigy and a genius... and still he lost his mind and went berzerk just because Liara mildly insulted him by saying he was a hunt prize. He was the Shadow Broker, he was suposed to KNOW EVERYTHING and yet he simply attacked THE Commander Shepard with his bare hands and a holo shield (wtf was that anyways? Desingers forgot about kinetic bariers much?). I'm suposed to belive he never, ever recived any intel or information that made him upset before? Or this was just a bad day when he forgot to take his stress meds? He made absolutely no sense as the Shadow Broker.

And what when we look at it's backstory? It also makes no sense for a Yahg to be Shadow Broker's agent in the first place... what his agents do? They collect information. Sorry but I can't imagine a Yahg spying or asking around for intel... shizzles I can't even imagine him walking around any civilised planet since his species were banned from galactic travel and quarantined - wherever he would go he would attract massive atention, whatever law enforcers he would meet he would instantly cause an attack.

He was random. And to clarify, I have no problem with the developers adding an OP race to the game's lore. I have a problem with it making no sense.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 17 septembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[aksoileau]

To the post above, I'm pretty sure Feron mentions that most of the people who actually see the SB do not leave that room alive, which I take as him being extremely violent and easy to anger. So I guess the pet insult Liara threw at him would be enough to go all hulk smash.

[jkflipflopDAO]

searanox wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Um no, cause that would have been cliche, same with revealing it was Liara's father (another interesting topic here)

There's nothing wrong with cliches and tropes so long as they are executed well.  BioWare spent years setting up the Shadow Broker and they took possibly the dumbest and most baffling route possible.

LOL wut?

You think it should have been an "established character"? Like who? Joker? Barla Von? Lets hear your "I'm 100x better than Bioware's writers" answer to the situation.

[NYG1991]

Shadow broker should have been a hanar on steroids.

[implodinggoat]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I think they've hit their new species quota for this installment. 5 is plenty.

Vorcha, Collectors, Drell, and the Yahg. 

That's 4, unless you're counting the Batarians; but they were heavily referenced in ME1 and properly introduced in the Bring Down the Sky DLC.  Plus counting the Collectors as new is also iffy since they're Prothean and ME1 referenced the hell out of the Protheans.

Of course I suppose you could be counting the Klixen since you used the term "species" not "race"; but I think HakkyunoTenshi was talking more about civilizations not Non Sapient creatures.

Raloi

An avian species mentioned in one Cerberus New article solely for the purpose of making a bird flu joke hardly counts.

[JaegerBane]

searanox wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Um no, cause that would have been cliche, same with revealing it was Liara's father (another interesting topic here)

There's nothing wrong with cliches and tropes so long as they are executed well.  BioWare spent years setting up the Shadow Broker and they took possibly the dumbest and most baffling route possible.

Is there any particular reason why the SB being unmasked as merely the latest in a line of violent and intelligent creatures is 'the dumbest and most baffling route possible'? I mean, how've you come to that conclusion? How is it any less 'dumb' and 'baffling' if it turned out to be Banes or TIM or Shepard himself or whatever those stupid conspiracy theories claimed?

Modifié par JaegerBane, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:21 .

[implodinggoat]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

searanox wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Um no, cause that would have been cliche, same with revealing it was Liara's father (another interesting topic here)

There's nothing wrong with cliches and tropes so long as they are executed well.  BioWare spent years setting up the Shadow Broker and they took possibly the dumbest and most baffling route possible.

LOL wut?

You think it should have been an "established character"? Like who? Joker? Barla Von? Lets hear your "I'm 100x better than Bioware's writers" answer to the situation.

I think you're being a little unfair.  I'd agree that none of the established characters would have fit the part very well; but that doesn't entail that Bioware couldn't have created an established character that would have fit the part and that doing so could have generated a more satisfying ending. 

It all depends on execution though, if they used an established character it would have to be someone who logically could be the Shadow Broker; but also someone who you'd never begin to suspect.  Someone well connected, old (an Asari or Krogan) and someone who you not only believed to be virtuous; but who you thought was your friend.

For example imagine if the Shadow Broker was more interwoven into the main game and you find out that it's Samara.  She's old enough, she's got connections, you sure as hell believed her to be virtuous and you thought she was your friend.   You'd never see that **** coming in a million years.

[jimmyjoefro]

implodinggoat wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I think they've hit their new species quota for this installment. 5 is plenty.

Vorcha, Collectors, Drell, and the Yahg. 

That's 4, unless you're counting the Batarians; but they were heavily referenced in ME1 and properly introduced in the Bring Down the Sky DLC.  Plus counting the Collectors as new is also iffy since they're Prothean and ME1 referenced the hell out of the Protheans.

Of course I suppose you could be counting the Klixen since you used the term "species" not "race"; but I think HakkyunoTenshi was talking more about civilizations not Non Sapient creatures.

Raloi

An avian species mentioned in one Cerberus New article solely for the purpose of making a bird flu joke hardly counts.

It doesn't matter for what purpose or capacity they were used. They were mentioned, so they count as a new race or species or whatever you want to call it.

[implodinggoat]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

It doesn't matter for what purpose or capacity they were used. They were mentioned, so they count as a new race or species or whatever you want to call it.

I'm not saying they don't count, they just don't count for much, until we see them or at least their influence in the game.  All the references to the Batarians in ME1 made it pretty clear that they'd appear in a siginificant way at some point; but I don't think we can draw the same deduction from a single refrence in a Cerberus New article.  It's entirely possible that article will be the first and last reference to the Raloi we'll ever see.

Although personally I always enjoy discovering new civilizations in a game so I'd be pleased if we saw them and other new civilizations in ME3.

[jimmyjoefro]

implodinggoat wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

It doesn't matter for what purpose or capacity they were used. They were mentioned, so they count as a new race or species or whatever you want to call it.

I'm not saying they don't count, they just don't count for much, until we see them or at least their influence in the game.  All the references to the Batarians in ME1 made it pretty clear that they'd appear in a siginificant way at some point; but I don't think we can draw the same deduction from a single refrence in a Cerberus New article.  It's entirely possible that article will be the first and last reference to the Raloi we'll ever see.

Although personally I always enjoy discovering new civilizations in a game so I'd be pleased if we saw them and other new civilizations in ME3.

I would hope not, or else that would be pretty poor writing.  They were invited to the Citadel to learn about galactic law and such, so I would assume that there will be some roaming around there in ME3.  Will they actually matter in galactic affairs? Probably not.  They'll probably play a role similar to the Elcor or Hanar.

Come to think of it, that would be pretty humorous, in a dark sense, for Shepard to meet Raloi ambassadors. Talk about poor timing.

[Dionkey]

I am guessing why they introduced the Yahg in this DLC is because the reapers will take control of them in ME3. There is now way they will create a race solely for the purpose of one dlc, its foolish.

[Sajuro]

didymos1120 wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

When they were shoving the silhouette, I thought it was going to be some sort of steroid-popping salarian. Then it ends up being some sort of garbled amalgam of salarian, batarian, krogan and vorcha. Somewhat disappointing.

 Vorcha because of.....um, what makes the yahg particularly like the vorcha?  Other than two arms, two legs, and a head with a mouth and some eyes, that is. 

Haven't you heard? He knows Gavorn's tricks.

[Sajuro]

Dionkey wrote...

I am guessing why they introduced the Yahg in this DLC is because the reapers will take control of them in ME3. There is now way they will create a race solely for the purpose of one dlc, its foolish.

I hope not because really that is what the Vorcha and Batarians are for, I want a Yahg squad mate -throws fit- lol

[darth_lopez]

Misterpeanuts wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

The yahg were an ass-pull. The Shadow Broker reveal was a groan-worthy moment for me. Even worse, the species was made out to be stronger and tougher than the krogan and more adaptive than the humans. One-upsmanship doesn't make a good species. It just makes another species. Lastly, it even looked like some kind of Darkspawn. I would have preferred a John Henry Eden-type situation, to the yahg.

While they may be stronger then the Krogan I highly doubt they have the same survivability what with the Krogans having backups for pretty much every organ. Now with that said Yahg for ME 3 LI anyone?

if i may interject as well,

From what i read on the wiki about the Yahg it sounds like they aren't nearly as adaptable as Humans as humans i would say on par with our adaptability at best. It seems most new species in ME (like the vorcha as well and including the Krogan) are incapable of getting over their baser more primitive drives. Their pack mentality they have combined with what apparently happened to the council deligates shows they aren't on par with human adaptibility and have a more krogan mentality though they are on average smarter than the Krogan. I'd liken them more to super batarians They are also technologically lacking for being as intelligent as Salarians; sign again they lack human adaptibility or the adaptability of a race like the krogan, who while needing to be uplifted at first still maintain an powerful presence in the galaxy with their own unique technologies.

and i mean lets face it humans in ME have been shown Time and Time again to be the 'superior' race. And at this point we've all grown fond of the Krogan a race that through ME 1 and ME 2 seemed to be more about trying to instill fear than love they are always rough and tumble brutes hard to kill in combat and if they get close they will destroy you. It's kinda nice to see a new face of brute force one slightly more advanced than the vorcha which doesn't say much :/

[jimmyjoefro]

I've always seen the totem pole with the Asari on top, Turians second, Humanity third, although, that's just from impression. I've never really given it serious thought.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Dionkey wrote...

I am guessing why they introduced the Yahg in this DLC is because the reapers will take control of them in ME3. There is now way they will create a race solely for the purpose of one dlc, its foolish.

Pretty much this. Most likely the dlc was premise to set a the backstory of a whole new species, maybe looking for revenge or getting indoctrinated by the Reapers or w/e, those are all I can think of now. The second motive was to set Liara up as SB. I honestly don't think the Yahg would make one appearance in a dlc , especially the SB dlc, as the SB himself, and then get sidelined for ME3.

But then again, as previous people have said before ME2's story seems to be following a trend of randomness.

[JaegerBane]

Dionkey wrote...

I am guessing why they introduced the Yahg in this DLC is because the reapers will take control of them in ME3. There is now way they will create a race solely for the purpose of one dlc, its foolish.

Why not? They introduced a new species in ME1 solely for the purposes of one of the main quests (Thorian).

[FarplaneGuide]

implodinggoat wrote...

For example imagine if the Shadow Broker was more interwoven into the main game and you find out that it's Samara.  She's old enough, she's got connections, you sure as hell believed her to be virtuous and you thought she was your friend.   You'd never see that **** coming in a million years.

Problem with SB being someone Shepard knew is that it doesn't make sense for SB to travel around or lead a double life as, for example, SB and councilor. It seems like a full time job and whoever was SB had to be in that office most of the time, organizing and leading operations. That excludes all characters Shepard met.

So if they had to put someone new, a new species wasn't a bad choice. At least for the "what is that" moment and more interesting boss fight.

[JedTed]

While i was still holding out for the Shadow Broker to be an AI, i like the direction they went with it. I also like how they leave the identity of the original Shadow Broker a mystery. It leaves the question as to how long has the SB been in existence?

Maybe there have been lots of different Brokers over the centuries and each one rising to power by murdering the last. The yagh is just the most recent Shadow Broker that we know of.

Modifié par JedTed, 18 septembre 2010 - 10:59 .

[Nicodemus]

A lot of you are complaining for the sake of complaining. The introduction of a new species in a DLC isn't new as we got the Batarians in Bring down the sky who have then become one of the signature races of ME2.



LotSB is actually a well planned and well delivered DLC. The only way they could have made it even better would have been if they had made Tesla Vasir the Shadow Broker. That would have made it an even better experience than it was already. How would I have done that? Easy.



First stage stays the same, Vasir and Shep looking for Liara. 2nd stage, instead of taking on Vasir have one of her named agents as the encounter in the office, car chase and encounter at Azure. Retrieve the data and then go to the Shadow Broker's ship with Vasir. Vasir goes via a different route while shep, Liara and squadmate go over the top. Get to the Yahg and you fight it as you do now with the assumption that it is the Shadow Broker. Defeat him. Vasir enters the room and congratulates them all in doing so well and then catches the squad by surprise by attacking and declaring she is the shadow broker.



As it is the dlc is extremely entertaining and very well made. It isn't an Ass pull as nobody knew who the SB was or looked like and was a nice introduction to a new race. They could have made it a bit more of a surprise ending, but I am happy with what they did.

[Dallas118]

They are so ugly, I hope we never see another of that things.

[clennon8]

JaegerBane wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

I am guessing why they introduced the Yahg in this DLC is because the reapers will take control of them in ME3. There is now way they will create a race solely for the purpose of one dlc, its foolish.

Why not? They introduced a new species in ME1 solely for the purposes of one of the main quests (Thorian).

Not the same.  The Thorian was the last of its kind.

I'd be surprised if we don't meet a yahg or three in ME3.

[Moiaussi]

WARGASM300 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I want the reapers to land on their planet and indoctrinate the entire species. Think about it- an entire army of indoctrinated Yahg would make incredible foot-soldiers/enforces for the reapers.

Plus, the Yahg's technology is nowhere near that of other galactic races, meaning, they have a greater chance of succumbing to the reapers mind-control (plus, they probably lack the technology to actually combat a reaper, let alone a fleet of them).

The council has quarantined they're planet, and i'm pretty sure they'd keep a sentry or sumin to inforce tht quarantine, so if th reapers did go to Parnack (Yahg Homeworld, yes i codexed it ) to indoctrinate them i doubt the council would sit on they're ass and let them aquire huge tanks made of skin for theyr cause.  

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an 'elevate the Yahg' option presented in ME3, especially if the genophage cure data was destroyed and/or the Geth are not available.

[Moiaussi]

clennon8 wrote...

Not the same.  The Thorian was the last of its kind.

I'd be surprised if we don't meet a yahg or three in ME3.

Maybe not. The Feros survivers react when in proximity to each other, and a certain Asari turned green. That all may be forshadowing a new Thorian sprout.