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[Tonya777]

Oh



Well you see I didn't know that cause despite my username I'm actually a guy



Tony777 was taken.... and my girl rogue character is named Tonya because my male warrior is Tony



lol

[FlintlockJazz]

Suron wrote...

Tonya777 wrote...

miltos33 wrote...

For all those people who say that they like rouge I just hope they are females.

Why?

because

Rouge (; Red), also called blush, is a cosmetic typically used by women
to redden the cheeks so as to provide a more youthful appearance, and
to emphasise the cheekbones.


why people butcher ROGUE is beyond me..rouge is a color..makeup..etc..

so yah..those saying they like a "rouge" I hope are female..well or at least gay..cause there's nothing wrong with that

Don't have to be gay or a woman to like it, many cross-dressers are straight despite what many people think for instance, wearing make-up was often done by men in history and men wear make-up when appearing on TV.  Also, you saying you don't like a woman wearing make-up? 

[Cbowsin]

I started with a Rogue and have few problems. They are great for stealthing around and knowing what's up ahead. They are great for pulling mobs to the party. I don't rely on my warrior or mage to kill anything, I rely on my rogue or rogues or rogue with hound.

[Tonya777]

I think the key is to ONLY attack from behind , and be an assassin/ranger and always have a pet out



I don't really know what you guys are talking about



Maybe my mages and warriors in my party suck because I'm not the one controlling them and therefore they are stupid



Also , I pretend Zevrans my characters husband so I keep him around and had him "waste" 4 levels on becoming a master lockpicker so I wouldn't have to lol



Having a rogue in the party at all is a great asset to money making because if they have the highest lockpicking then you get all sorts of extra fancy items you otherwise wouldn't get

[danien.grey]

My first playthrough was on a rogue, and I didn't have any problems. As long as you keep enemies facing away from them and have a mage's weapon mod on (ie: flaming weapons) you will not top a rogue's single target dps.



With momentum, poisons, and flaming weapons, my rogue tore through healthbars like a hot knife through butter; oh and let's not talk about what happens when you have haste.

[Scyles]

The warrior starts with a +5 attack bonus over the rogue. Since nearly all weapons are a 50/50 Str/Dex split with regards to attribute bonus to attack, this means that it would take a full 10 stat points just for the rogue to match the warrior's accuracy.



Rogues also gain only a .2 damage bonus per level, while warriors gain a .4. This sucks for rogues.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Rogues are AWESOME. I Just maxed out the Duelist tree and GOD.. it's just sick. I have gloves that give +15% critical.. I wish I had the +30% dagger too.. but anyways.. at level 17 I deal 60 damage+poison+runes with a hit.. and I have two weapons. That is with "Pinpoint strike" activated. It's just the sickest skill ever..



Rogues just have so many skills that work so well together. Examples:



Dirty fighting

Coup De Grace

Momentum

Stun poisons (Deathroot)

Pinpoint strike

Assassin skill that adds damage to your backstab..



So, you have... Momentum.. you attack like 5-6 times faster than a 2H warrior and 2-3 times faster than normally.. Dirty fighting = stun the opponent.. Coup De Grace = hit 4-5 "backstabs" while the enemy is stunned from DF.. Stun poisons+Momentum = a LOT of stuns = a LOT of "backstabs" from the front.. the assassin skill = more damaging backstabs.. Pinpoint strike = 70ish damage (at level 17 where 2H strikes deal 50-60 usually..) with one strike... add in Momentum, 2 weapons and backstabs and anything in your way goes KAPUT



Those + the other activated skills make Rogues THE best DPS class in the game.

[Uriah Jeep]

Rogues, probably more than any other class, take more knowledge about the game to use effectively. And its tough going at the beginning.



But once you get past the first couple levels and gain some understanding on how to use them, rogue melee DPS builds do the most DPS of any class by far.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Also, Scyles. Duelist gives rogues "Dueling": +10 attack bonus and +10 defense bonus

[Kavita]

bombastinator wrote...

 Are rogues really that incapable of DPS?

Not at all, my rogue is doing 50% of my party dmg and tanking alot. With momentum activ, a bard that have song of courage she will rape everything when she backstabing, it goes so fast so you dont belive it before you see it

[Loregothe]

OP = either OverPowered when referring to a class or Original Poster when referring to the forum.

[SheffSteel]

Scyles wrote...

The warrior starts with a +5 attack bonus over the rogue. Since nearly all weapons are a 50/50 Str/Dex split with regards to attribute bonus to attack, this means that it would take a full 10 stat points just for the rogue to match the warrior's accuracy.

Rogues also gain only a .2 damage bonus per level, while warriors gain a .4. This sucks for rogues.

Yes, the warrior is the best fighter. So much for things that can be filed under "Duh." The rogue has more skills than any other class, and has abilities such as backstab, traps, stealth, and lockpicking which no one else can do.

[Cydz]

i'm under the impression rogues are late bloomers and it seem a lot of people are speed running the game and don't get very high lvl witch leads to they don't get all the skills and stats the rogues need to shine.



i know i tried zevran when i first got him and he sucked so bad. And Liliana i mostly keep with me for the conversations lock pick and her looks . but lately i can't go without her cause she got so much candy for the group and one shotting mages from max range is always nice. haven't tried zevran again but i guess he will be with me on my next hero.

[Zenthar Aseth]

SheffSteel wrote...

Scyles wrote...

The warrior starts with a +5 attack bonus over the rogue. Since nearly all weapons are a 50/50 Str/Dex split with regards to attribute bonus to attack, this means that it would take a full 10 stat points just for the rogue to match the warrior's accuracy.

Rogues also gain only a .2 damage bonus per level, while warriors gain a .4. This sucks for rogues.

Yes, the warrior is the best fighter. So much for things that can be filed under "Duh." The rogue has more skills than any other class, and has abilities such as backstab, traps, stealth, and lockpicking which no one else can do.

No. Warrior is not the best fighter so it can't be filed under "Duh."

He should be, though. But that's just not how it is.

[Arizor]

Quite simply arrow of slaying is the most powerful ability in the game, bar none. At level 16 I was doing 500 damage on some enemies in the one shot.



No class is better able to take down a mage than a rogue. Not one.

[Endarken]

My rogue does pretty good with dual daggers. However, my cunning is 30+, my dex is 46, and I have 7 levels left. So that leaves 21 more points.



Right now my strength is at like 24 i think. I could easily get my strength up to 40 as well, is there any reason not to do this? Or should I put another 20 points into dex?

[Zenthar Aseth]

Depends. My strength is 42 and dexterity 37.. cunning 21. With items, my dex is about 52, though.. and Strength 47 or something.



I'm assuming you have the dex fix?

[Raedris]

Ignore this, found what I was after...

Modifié par Raedris, 11 novembre 2009 - 04:33 .

[GmanFresh]

they simply need to be used right

[Kebrahl]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Depends. My strength is 42 and dexterity 37.. cunning 21. With items, my dex is about 52, though.. and Strength 47 or something.

I'm assuming you have the dex fix?

What is this dex fix you talk about?

[Grahamers]

It really depends on your goal.  If you want to have the highest *overall* DPS out of the party, you will do better to be a mage.  If you want to have the highest *single target* DPS, nothing beats a rogue.  Character balance is always a give and take.  Mages do the most damage, but they drop like flies.  (That's why they are called 'glass cannons.')  Warriors can take a beating, but they can't dish out as much DPS as a rogue or a mage.  Rogues are in the middle.  They can survive a bit of a beating, and deal out great single target DPS.  Not as sturdy as a warrior but not a fragile as a mage.

All that said, they give you SO MUCH more than just DPS.  They give you:

1) Chest picking - The rare items and runes I have found in locked chests is awesome.

2) Stealth for scouting - This can NOT be emphasized enough.  I almost NEVER enter a battle without knowing 1) how many enemies I am facing, 2) where they are, 3) what types they are, 4) where they will run to when I pull them 5) what the layout of the room is, etc.  This lets me plan for the battle and set an ambush every time.  My tank waits just around the corner and my CC/AOE mage is ready to jump in tot he side of hima nd blast everyone as soon as they are grouped up.

3) Traps - I know some people don't like these, but I think theya re a great "ace up your sleeve."  If you use traps correctly, you can win a battle for yoru party before it even starts.  As I describe in the thread at social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/111686 you can use some snares in front of an AOE trap and really help bunch up the incoming mobs.  The snares hold up a few mobs and then the next free mob to come through sets off the AOE so that you get a bunch of mobs with your AOE instead of only the 1st one or two.  Add on top of that the flask that you toss in there while they are all bunched and your mage's increased effectiveness in Cone of Colding a bunched up group of mobs and you can see how a few traps can dominate the battle.

4) Poisons - Not only does this five you extra DPS for your toon, it gives you some stunning CC and some AOE in the area of flasks.  Poisons are really helpful for all of these reasons.  Combine traps and flasks and you are going to have 75% of your targets at about 1/2 health before they even hit you.  

5) Most of all, they are FUN - The characters are ****ey and stealthy.  Theya re nopwhere and suddenly theya re a flash of dual wielding daggers or swords and you are dead.

What NOT to do:  Stand there and think you can tank mobs.  You are NOT a tank.  You are only happy when you can see your target's shoulderblades.

I always play a rogue in all games that I play as my first character.  I can say that at level 8, my rogue is really starting to pwn the battle field.  As long as I keep building my tank to generate as much threat as possible I can keep on mowing down the mobs.

[Teezax]

i'd like to squeeze the rogue in, but being a 2H warrior, I keep Alistair as my MT and can simply not replace Wynne or Morrigan, i find they are irreplacebale. But passing by all those locked chests does tend to get annoying

[Koralis]

Spawn305 wrote...

I like mine. cant wait to get the rock to tank for me and ill be good to go on a backstabbing spree!!!!!!

Rogues are fun. getting exp for unlocking chests and traps.

Shale is a horrible tank.  He has a ton of health, but low armor (compared to allister), and non-existant Defense.   Great at taunting... but then he dies fast. 


Shale is much better as a power-house damage dealer.



Back to the orignal topic... rogues work great with a Cone of Cold casting mage... shatter shatter shatter.

Modifié par Koralis, 11 novembre 2009 - 04:46 .

[Scyles]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Also, Scyles. Duelist gives rogues "Dueling": +10 attack bonus and +10 defense bonus

That's an excellent point.  The small +1 Dex, +1 Damage from Duelist is also worth noting.  Duelist certainly appears to swing things more in the rogue's favor.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Grahamers.. rogues can be just as tough as warriors, to be honest. They can wear the same armor, they can pump stats into constitution.. IMO, it's kind of stupid. Rogues get lots of skills warriors don't but warriors don't really have anything rogues would need... all of the warrior talents are for tanking..