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[Ninja Mage]

Well, I find the Qunari attractive in a beautiful way. I know some people don't see them as such. Like with dwarves. Ofcourse it's up to Bioware I'm just discussing the topic

[upsettingshorts]

The sci-fi/fantasy cliche isn't humans finding aliens attractive. To each his own and all that.

It's the underlying presumption that they want us. Hey we're humans! They have to like what we've got! Just wait till they can see what we have to offer and I'm sure they'll want to snog!

A generalization, of course. And one that bugs me much more in say, Star Trek, then it does in Dragon Age or Mass Effect - anyway I'm just venting. Mary's responses seem reasonable and it doesn't sound at all like a LI with Qunari/Tal'Vashoth is being withheld just... because. It would violate the internal consistency of their race and culture. That's good enough for me.

I'm not claiming to be the one who decides what's worth discussing and what's not though, just giving my 2c.

Edit: As opposed to romancing them, I think it would be interesting/potentially amusing if they were a companion and you got the chance to explain your relationship with your actual LI/the concept of courtship and romance to them.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:23 .

[Homebound]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Ineffable Igor wrote...

So, no one ever breaks the rules and has sex with who they want because of those factors?  Obviously they'd be re-educated if they did, but it does happen every now and then, right?

"Because I want to" is almost never a reason for Qunari to do anything. They're a people who zealously believe that every single thing they do in life is for the benefit of their society as a whole. They view selfishness as the worst possible quality a person can possess.

Individuals fail occasionally. But it's not generally fear of the Ben-hassrath that keeps them in line. They do it on their own because otherwise they can't live with themselves.

Its such a shame that the Qunari wish to take over the world. :/ They seem like nice people.

[MarginalBeast]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Can't we let the writers come up with one race or species we don't have the need to have our protagonist sleep with?

Apparently not if they are humanoid.

Ninja Mage wrote...

...why did I read this thread...

I'm not sure. You seem to like complaining about things that don't affect you.

Ninja Mage wrote...

But seriously the whole "aliens will find humans sexually and romantically attractive" cliche is one of the most abused in all of science fiction and fantasy. 

If humans can find aliens attractive, no matter how weird some of them may look, then it isn't entirely crazy that the reverse could be true as well. Besides, most of the romanceable alien races in ME are very, very humanoid anyway, far beyond the realm of what would actually be likely in real life. If you can suspend your disbelief that far already, then I don't see what the problem is.

And as for DA:O, the Qunari basically look like big humans with horns. ...As opposed to really short humans or slightly short humans with pointy ears. I wouldn't consider them to be outrageously exotic by fantasy/sci-fi standards, but hey.

Also, it's a fantasy video game, not real life. The characters can create blizzards and perform weird god-baby-attaining rituals. Nothing has to make perfect scientific or biological sense. All that matters is that the characters are written in a way that doesn't completely betray their race and cultural upbringing. If that negates any sort of Qunari or Tal'Vashoth romance, then that's fine (although I still don't understand why a Tal'Vashoth would be compelled to adhere to the customs of a society that he has abandoned).

I don't see anyone in this thread having a heart-attack over the possibility of not being able to romance a Qunari/Tal'Vashoth/darkspawn/rock/whatever, so don't go making a big deal out of nothing. Some of us just thought it might be interesting. I'm sure whatever romance options available to us will be great regardless of race.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:49 .

[upsettingshorts]

MarginalBeast wrote...
I'm not sure. You seem to like complaining about things that don't affect you.

Eh, I just like to argue.  It's a character flaw that on occasion gets the better of me.  Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've worn out my welcome.  

/ejects from thread

Edit: Actually, I figured out how to express what bugs me.  It genuinely upsets me when I even get the impression that someone is trying to get an artist to compromise their vision.   I should probly just take a breath and relax when this happens, but it still annoys the heck out of me... and thus feeds my compulsion to argue.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 septembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Saibh]

Mary Kirby wrote...

You'll never see a Qunari romance because they don't have romance. Could you see a Tal'Vashoth romance? Who knows? Considering that they come from a culture that hasn't had romance in hundreds of years, what are the chances?

Ah, so that is a no. 'Kay. Wouldn't have expected it anyhow.

[namedforthemoon]

Well, after all that Mary Kirby has said, I think I'll hop back off the Qunari LI Bandwagon. Sorry, y'all.

[Saibh]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Well, after all that Mary Kirby has said, I think I'll hop back off the Qunari LI Bandwagon. Sorry, y'all.

It's okay, I'm hopping off, too. No point in devoting energy to stuff that doesn't happen.

[zahra]

Saibh wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

You'll never see a Qunari romance because they don't have romance. Could you see a Tal'Vashoth romance? Who knows? Considering that they come from a culture that hasn't had romance in hundreds of years, what are the chances?

Ah, so that is a no. 'Kay. Wouldn't have expected it anyhow.

Its okay, I knew my undying love for Sten was always going to be unrequited. 


*cue a thousand years of tears

[MarginalBeast]

But...but...LI or not we might still get a companion and that's what counts!

Besides, there's always bad fanfiction.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Saibh wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

You'll never see a Qunari romance because they don't have romance. Could you see a Tal'Vashoth romance? Who knows? Considering that they come from a culture that hasn't had romance in hundreds of years, what are the chances?

Ah, so that is a no. 'Kay. Wouldn't have expected it anyhow.

Speaking of chances, in fantasy setting as stated by Terry Pratchett a one out of million chance actually occur nine times out of ten.
What are the chances that new Grey Warden recruit will stop a full Blight? What are the chances that random Grey Warden survivor appears to be a bastard prince? <_<

[namedforthemoon]

MarginalBeast wrote...

But...but...LI or not we might still get a companion and that's what counts!

Besides, there's always bad fanfiction.

I'm pretty sure that there will be a Qunari companion. I say that based on this picture. The guy on the left looks like a Qunari in the party to me.

[Lord Gremlin]

namedforthemoon wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

But...but...LI or not we might still get a companion and that's what counts!

Besides, there's always bad fanfiction.

I'm pretty sure that there will be a Qunari companion. I say that based on this picture. The guy on the left looks like a Qunari in the party to me.

And he's wearing a robe and holding a staff. A mage?

[Firky]

Ha ha. I love this thread. (And Mary's answers are interesting.)



And I totally loved Sten and kept my eye firmly out for a romance option. Of course, I didn't get any kind of indication that he, or any qunari, would be into romance at all. But, duh, wanting the bad boy that you can't have is kind of a staple human female thing when it comes to romance, isn't it? As is choosing totally the wrong guy. And trying to "change" that aloof rebel. Make him see what he's missing. I love you so therefore you should love me. Staple, right? (Maybe I was more troubled as a teen than I'd thought.)



Anyway, I'd like it if Lady Hawke could at least try. Look how Sten came to respect the female PC in Origins over time, and with his sword back and such.

[zahra]

MarginalBeast wrote...

But...but...LI or not we might still get a companion and that's what counts!

Besides, there's always bad fanfiction.

Or I can just eat a lot of chocolate and cry into my pillow. 

Hawke: You're not Sten!! It will never be the same! *runs off crying*

Token Qunari dude: 

[Anarya]

I'm loving Mary's answers here. It really makes me wonder what the Qunari as a species were like before adopting the Qun. I mean, part of being able to adhere so well to its practices must be chalked up to their nature. If we look at human history, any time you have a regimented society with strict regulations on sex and relationships (or anything really) you have rampant illicit activities going on behind closed doors.

It's hard to know why this is, especially since humans are the only species with higher thought and free will on our planet. Does this happen because we are self-aware and have free will or do we as a species just rank really high on the libido scale? The fact that widespread cheating of the system happens when you regulate anything (Examples: Prohibition, Communist governments, monasteries before the modern era) makes me think it has more to do with free will.

And that's partly why I think the Qunari are so interesting. The whole nature vs. nurture thing...because if it were mandatory for all humans to follow the Qun, most people would not be able to divorce themselves from their individualism nearly so well, and that makes me extrapolate backwards about the Qunari as a race. I mean, we know they are intelligent and self-aware and do possess emotions.

I'd have loved to sit in on the meetings about the Qunari and their background. I wonder if this type of stuff was discussed.

Modifié par Anarya, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Kalypto]

Knight Templar wrote...

Uhhh..

Maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I just don't see the appeal.

http://tvtropes.org/...irlsWantBadBoys

Modifié par Kalypto, 17 septembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[NKKKK]

Mary Kirby has told you "LOL SCREW YOU FANS"



It's fine if they don't do it now in DA2, but they should seriously take into consideration the prospect of a horned LI for the future, a sexy horned person on the cover art of DA3. Think about it Bioware, it'd sell. Demon girls are popular...trust me.

[Nemotenetur]

Anarya wrote...

I'm loving Mary's answers here. It really makes me wonder what the Qunari as a species were like before adopting the Qun. I mean, part of being able to adhere so well to its practices must be chalked up to their nature. If we look at human history, any time you have a regimented society with strict regulations on sex and relationships (or anything really) you have rampant illicit activities going on behind closed doors.

It's hard to know why this is, especially since humans are the only species with higher thought and free will on our planet. Does this happen because we are self-aware and have free will or do we as a species just rank really high on the libido scale? The fact that widespread cheating of the system happens when you regulate anything (Examples: Prohibition, Communist governments, monasteries before the modern era) makes me think it has more to do with free will.

And that's partly why I think the Qunari are so interesting. The whole nature vs. nurture thing...because if it were mandatory for all humans to follow the Qun, most people would not be able to divorce themselves from their individualism nearly so well, and that makes me extrapolate backwards about the Qunari as a race. I mean, we know they are intelligent and self-aware and do possess emotions.

I'd have loved to sit in on the meetings about the Qunari and their background. I wonder if this type of stuff was discussed.

This.

It's also why I'd be interested in learning more about the people who've been conquered by the Qunari. They're expected to adhere to the Qun, but how do they fare? I imagine it being extremely difficult to adapt to such a vastly different set of values, and I wonder if they're even capable of reaching the same level of devotion as the 'original' Qunari for the same reasons you stated. 

[Anarya]

Nemotenetur wrote...

This.

It's also why I'd be interested in learning more about the people who've been conquered by the Qunari. They're expected to adhere to the Qun, but how do they fare? I imagine it being extremely difficult to adapt to such a vastly different set of values, and I wonder if they're even capable of reaching the same level of devotion as the 'original' Qunari for the same reasons you stated. 

I kind of think it's a bit different for people who opt-in to restrictive social groups as adults. People like that already know what they're getting themselves into and what they're leaving behind. They've already finished their adolescence and probably gone through the "questioning beliefs you grew up with" phase, so really they're going into it with their eyes open. Like people who enter the priesthood in modern Western countries, or people who join cults and whatever. I think they might be capable of higher levels of devotion than people born into the Qun, because it was their choice. Sure the Qunari can choose to leave and become Vashoth but it's different if they've grown up that way and never known anything else. It's a more difficult thing for a Qunari to choose to leave and for a human/elf/dwarf to choose to stay.

I also wonder if the Vashoth just stay celibate after leaving. I mean, there's no one there anymore to hand you willing partners and there aren't any female Qunari around that we've seen. Hm.

[Herr Uhl]

Nemotenetur wrote...

It's also why I'd be interested in learning more about the people who've been conquered by the Qunari. They're expected to adhere to the Qun, but how do they fare? I imagine it being extremely difficult to adapt to such a vastly different set of values, and I wonder if they're even capable of reaching the same level of devotion as the 'original' Qunari for the same reasons you stated. 

Many did during the occupation of Northern Thedas. Two generations and any culture before that is lost in living memory. If you're born in a qunari society, species is secondary, due to the lack of families to tell you about the "good old days".

Edit: It is astounding what people can accept once it is "normal". They would also have next to no information exchange with the world outside, so it would be all they know.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[Tehnazzy]

Oh well, it was hoping for too much anyways. Yet I am still hyped for a qunari companion, so what if there's no romance for a qunari? Perhaps, we'll still be able to ask unsupecting qunari #1 and probe him on uncomfortable topics. That will be enough for me, ahaha.

[mordy_was_here]

Shame, something other than the usual Elf/Human would have been nice.



*holds out for a companion*

[Lord Gremlin]

To summarize: Kirby disappointed everybody.



I had to eat a kitten, a sparrow and a puppy alive to calm down my nerves. One can always hope anyway. I'll still hope for Vashoth LI, at least until DA2 is out, or until David Gaider slaps me for silliness.

[NKKKK]

There's still always DA3