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Romance cut scenes ME1, Me2 to ME3 just my thoughts


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mmmu wrote...

I think the romance scene in LotSB was the best Bioware has done to date and if they keep up that as a standard for romance scenes, I am satisfied.
The scenes have often lacked emotion which is the main driving point in _romance_ scenes but I think they acquired that emotion well now.

That's just my opinion though there's no need to go spreading it around. :whistle:






i second this post. i thought lotsb LI was amazingly well written and if me3 can incorporate that than im for it but i also do admit that the sex in clothes is pretty blah though, i suggest continue LI's but simulate it with lotsb writting and show the back of the female.

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Aulis Vaara wrote...

The underwear in Dragon Age was actually really disturbing in those scenes, I'd rather have no sex scene than ones with underwear.


This. Who the heck actually dry humps in their underwear? I'd rather see nothing at all and get a really early fade to black than the junk that was featured in Dragon Age. It was slightly better in ME 2 just becuase they weren't all full on underwear on underwear dry humping sessions, but it was still pretty awkward IMO. I'd take ME 1 scenes any day of the week over either.

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robtheguru wrote...

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I prefer how they did it with Liara in LotSB. Fade to black. Your mind can do a better job then a limited game engine.

I'm glad to see my sig is starting to spread, however I do have to disagree. My imagination is vivid to the point of insanity, sometimes it is better just to see things rather than being left to think of them.

In terms of romance scenes, I don't think anything comes close to Heavy Rain, now that was class. Hopefully something like that will come to Mass Effect!


Marriage? If thats yours. Now that will be something.

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I don't really care how much skin is shown in a sex scene or how hardcore it is. Relationships with crew members in general needs work being able to really talk with them not just try to talk them into bed developing relationships shouldn't be able the quick fix is should be about understanding and closeness if we were able to have more deep meaningful moments with sqiad mates they would mean more. The relationsip development being work on is more important to me than more realistic/borderline hardcore porn sex scenes.An embrace followed by fade to black is fine with me.

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Tazzmission wrote...

mmmu wrote...

I think the romance scene in LotSB was the best Bioware has done to date and if they keep up that as a standard for romance scenes, I am satisfied.
The scenes have often lacked emotion which is the main driving point in _romance_ scenes but I think they acquired that emotion well now.

That's just my opinion though there's no need to go spreading it around. :whistle:






i second this post. i thought lotsb LI was amazingly well written and if me3 can incorporate that than im for it but i also do admit that the sex in clothes is pretty blah though, i suggest continue LI's but simulate it with lotsb writting and show the back of the female.


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LOTSB writing/dialogue plus ME1 "cinematic side boob" = profit.

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MassEffect762 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

mmmu wrote...

I think the romance scene in LotSB was the best Bioware has done to date and if they keep up that as a standard for romance scenes, I am satisfied.
The scenes have often lacked emotion which is the main driving point in _romance_ scenes but I think they acquired that emotion well now.

That's just my opinion though there's no need to go spreading it around. :whistle:






i second this post. i thought lotsb LI was amazingly well written and if me3 can incorporate that than im for it but i also do admit that the sex in clothes is pretty blah though, i suggest continue LI's but simulate it with lotsb writting and show the back of the female.


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LOTSB writing/dialogue plus ME1 "cinematic side boob" = profit.




forget the boob show me liaras booty again that im all happyPosted Image

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mmmu wrote...

I think the romance scene in LotSB was the best Bioware has done to date and if they keep up that as a standard for romance scenes, I am satisfied.
The scenes have often lacked emotion which is the main driving point in _romance_ scenes but I think they acquired that emotion well now.

That's just my opinion though there's no need to go spreading it around. :whistle:


I agree...the LotSB romance scene was amazing...better than any in ME1 and ME2.  It sets the bar for future scenes...I'm curious to see if it will be beaten in ME3.  

To echo what others have said, you don't have to make the scene overtly sexy for it to be sexy and romantic.  Most ME2 scenes were good with this too, the only ones I didn't care for were Miranda's and Jacob's.  The Thane and Jack scenes were quite emotional as well, but I wish they were a bit longer and Shepard had more to say to them.  I think Shepard only says about 6 or 8 words in the Jack scene.

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MassEffect762 wrote...

LOTSB writing/dialogue plus ME1 "cinematic side boob" = profit.


That pretty much sums it all.

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^ Sex sells. Everybody knows that.

But there's a difference between adding nudity in for gratuity and adding it in to convey realism to what is to be a cinematic experience.

And yes, this is a rated M game.  And it's not for all the blood and being able to shoot people.  BioWare does a great job of bringing up important issues such as genocide, "ends justify the means," self-interest vs being a galactic citizen...it's a mature game because of certain decisions you're required to make as a gamer.

With this in mind, I can understand how the the lack of nudity within romance scenes can become an issue for people-- you can address all those mature issues, kill people, and yet the issue of nudity is treated with kid gloves, as if gamers have never been exposed to it in the media or in real life.  And because of some idiotic people who never even played the game, BioWare's artistic presentation of the romances have been reduced.

I think it's more an issue of principle, not one of catering to people's fantasies.

Modifié par Brodyaha, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:19 .


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I thought the ME2 scenes had more... personality, I guess, than the ones ME1. There was something cute about Tali jumping on Shepard and Miranda dragging Shepard into the engine room. The ME1 scenes feel bland to me by comparison.

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I liked the fact each was different in ME2. It made a change from the model replacement in ME1. It just seemed to lack any sort of edge. For the most part, the only people who to me seemed like they were actually going to get it on was with Miranda. Everyone else in my mind just lay on the bed kissing.



Still, if they added the clothing level of the romance scenes, to the ME2 romance scenes, they'd have been perfect.

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I think LotSB really showed how inferior the ME2 romances were. All three of the ME1 romances were better by far than the ones in ME2, with the exception of Liara's ME2 scene. Part of it is because the ME1 connections felt more emotional, whereas several of the ME2 connections seemed like glorified booty calls (Miranda/Jacob/Garrus/Kelly) and the ones that didn't (Tali/Thane/Jack) seemed to be rather abrupt and abbreviated. Really the best romances outside of LotSB in ME2 were Samara's and Mordin's rebuffs of Shepard's interest.

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My opinion:

ME (1) romance scenes > ME2 romance scenes. But we can't blame Bioware entirely for it. They've admitted that EA wanted all the dry humping because they didn't want to ****** off the conservatives in America again. Bioware had to work with that limitation and they managed to deliver at least something decent with it.

So 'thank you', EA.

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Siansonea II wrote...

I think LotSB really showed how inferior the ME2 romances were. All three of the ME1 romances were better by far than the ones in ME2, with the exception of Liara's ME2 scene. Part of it is because the ME1 connections felt more emotional, whereas several of the ME2 connections seemed like glorified booty calls (Miranda/Jacob/Garrus/Kelly) and the ones that didn't (Tali/Thane/Jack) seemed to be rather abrupt and abbreviated. Really the best romances outside of LotSB in ME2 were Samara's and Mordin's rebuffs of Shepard's interest.


I completely agree with this.

The lotsb dlc has shown that with well written dialog romances have the potential to be very moving. I hope bioware continues to explore this.

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In my opinion, fade to black is good enough.

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Mister Mida wrote...

My opinion:
ME (1) romance scenes > ME2 romance scenes. But we can't blame Bioware entirely for it. They've admitted that EA wanted all the dry humping because they didn't want to ****** off the conservatives in America again. Bioware had to work with that limitation and they managed to deliver at least something decent with it.
So 'thank you', EA.


Link?  I've tried looking, and I found quite the opposite response from BioWare.

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I'm fine with the rather awkward physical romance of ME2 - no game seems to quite get that right. But I want deeper dialogue trees, so you can really connect with the character on an emotional level. That was nice with Ashely in ME1, although many dislike the character, you really got to help her evolve as a character and there was a much deeper connection there. ME2 relied more on standard romantic tropes.



Now, I generally don't rely on video games for deep story telling but Bioware seem to be almost there so I encourage them to go a little bit further and go for depth rather than options for absolutely everyone.

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Brodyaha wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

My opinion:
ME (1) romance scenes > ME2 romance scenes. But we can't blame Bioware entirely for it. They've admitted that EA wanted all the dry humping because they didn't want to ****** off the conservatives in America again. Bioware had to work with that limitation and they managed to deliver at least something decent with it.
So 'thank you', EA.


Link?  I've tried looking, and I found quite the opposite response from BioWare.

Never mind. I misread some article about the issue. Silly me. *facepalm*

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Mister Mida wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

My opinion:
ME (1) romance scenes > ME2 romance scenes. But we can't blame Bioware entirely for it. They've admitted that EA wanted all the dry humping because they didn't want to ****** off the conservatives in America again. Bioware had to work with that limitation and they managed to deliver at least something decent with it.
So 'thank you', EA.


Link?  I've tried looking, and I found quite the opposite response from BioWare.

Never mind. I misread some article about the issue. Silly me. *facepalm*


No worries!  For all we know, despite BioWare or EA's protests, that controversy might've caused both companies to tone down the romance scenes in ME2.  Although I think the reputations of Fox News and Cooper Lawrence were much more damaged over the controversy.

Sorry, slightly off topic.

Modifié par Brodyaha, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:35 .


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Jacob and Miranda "romance" scenes = Bad

Other romance scenes = Good

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After playing Lair of the Shadow Broker, I must say that the close talking, touching and dialogue in the romance sequence was pretty hot, so the fade to black worked pretty well.



If they took the Lotsb's romance and matched it with ME1's simple "roll around the bed and fade-to-black sequence", it would be perfect. The roll around the bed adds that extra little surprise.



On a side note: I thought Miranda's sex scene was really well done! Dragon Age's sex scene was. ok. I mean the underwear and the music were just wrong, but the rest was fine. It must be hard to make a winning sex scene, but ME (so far) does it better

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@iamthespark: I prefer having decent dialog. The Miranda and Jacob romance scenes did not offer that.

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Tazzmission wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

mmmu wrote...

I think the romance scene in LotSB was the best Bioware has done to date and if they keep up that as a standard for romance scenes, I am satisfied.
The scenes have often lacked emotion which is the main driving point in _romance_ scenes but I think they acquired that emotion well now.

That's just my opinion though there's no need to go spreading it around. :whistle:


i second this post. i thought lotsb LI was amazingly well written and if me3 can incorporate that than im for it but i also do admit that the sex in clothes is pretty blah though, i suggest continue LI's but simulate it with lotsb writting and show the back of the female.


+2

LOTSB writing/dialogue plus ME1 "cinematic side boob" = profit.

forget the boob show me liaras booty again that im all happy[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Can't we have the best of both worlds?;)

Modifié par Oblivious, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:52 .


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Collider wrote...

Jacob and Miranda "romance" scenes = Bad
Other romance scenes = Good

Thane = Hold me while I cry
Jack = Hold me while I cry
Garrus = Let's rub our heads together
Tali = Make-out session!

Really, after seeing the first three I felt like I was on a pity-date, after seeing Miranda and Jacob I felt like I just purchased a **** for the night, and after seeing Tali I felt like a pedophile:unsure: No offense, but the bar must be pretty low for you to call those scenes good.