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[Mister Mida]

Brodyaha wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

My opinion:
ME (1) romance scenes > ME2 romance scenes. But we can't blame Bioware entirely for it. They've admitted that EA wanted all the dry humping because they didn't want to ****** off the conservatives in America again. Bioware had to work with that limitation and they managed to deliver at least something decent with it.
So 'thank you', EA.

Link?  I've tried looking, and I found quite the opposite response from BioWare.

Never mind. I misread some article about the issue. Silly me. *facepalm*

No worries!  For all we know, despite BioWare or EA's protests, that controversy might've caused both companies to tone down the romance scenes in ME2.  Although I think the reputations of Fox News and Cooper Lawrence were much more damaged over the controversy.

Sorry, slightly off topic.

I'd bet my money on that as well. EA has always tried to make their games as non-controversive as possible. Although they are doing a terrible job with the new Medal of Honor.

[Chief Martini]

The ME1 Romance Scenes were just perfect, and I personally dislike the ME2 Scenes.



I'd like Bioware to do something in between, or a bit of both, like they start with the whole talking like they did with the LotSB Liara Romance scene, then slowly go over to the actual sexual part.



But Bioware will most-likely not do this, because they're too scared of CNN and Fox News.

[snfonseka]

moffjc01 wrote...

As anyone who has played ME1 and/or ME2 knows you have the option to romance other team members. This topic is not to discuss who you’re romanced or if you romance but the difference in the presentation of the cut scenes from ME1 and ME2 and what you would like in ME3. These are just my thoughts on this topic, in me1 and my multiple play through I did decide to engage other team members in romantic relations. The presentations of the cut scenes in me1, I thought, were excellent. I did not fide them offensive or pornographic, they fit well into the story and were presented vary artfully. I also enjoy the emotionally inter actions and the banter both before and after.

In ME2 I also romanced team member including the new DCL too, while it was nice to be able to romance or continue a romance the cut scenes  seemed  a bit more stiff (no pun intended) and not as artfully done. I know of and have read quite a few of articles about the over inflated controversy from ME1 romance cut scenes and to me it feels like the developer toned down the scenes and detracted from the art, sensuality, and emotional involvement of the characters.

Over all while the game is still very good and the story excellent I would hope the ME3 returns to the original artfully and emotional presentation from the first game.

With the current trend, I won't be surprised if there won't be any romance cut scenes in ME3.

[Raizo]

I was dissapointed with the Romance scenes in ME2 in general. Technically the only woman I have romanced in ME2 is Miranda but I have seen most of the other romance scenes on youtube ( all the female and a few of the male LI's ). It's not soo much a lack of skin as it is a lack of intimacy between Shepard and his/her lover(s), most of them feel like 1 night stands or Shepard taking advantage of the LI in a time of vulnerablity. When you romanced Ashley/Liara/Kaiden in ME1 you kind of walked away feeling as if were now apart of a couple, I don't feel as if there is any future to any of ME2's hook ups.



I wan't Bioware to surprise me, I would like ME3 to begin off with you still dating whoever you chose to romance in ME2. The obvious adavantage to this is you don't hav eto wait untill the end of teh game to see the 'sex scene' but I was also kind of hoping that we can see other stuff, Shepard and his/her LI having dinner in his private quarters, the two just cuddling every now and again, the two comforting each other after a particulaly hard and dangerous mission ( where someone may have died ).

[starwarschewy]

i say more like ME1 style would be ideal

[Axeface]

I vote for more skin.

Aswel as being a massive pervert nakedness conveys trust. ME1's romance scenes were stylish and beautiful.



I dont want any control in like Heavy Rain. That would just be strange.

[Oblivious]

Axeface wrote...
I dont want any control in like Heavy Rain. That would just be strange.

Heavy Rain's sex scene was also stylish and artistic but I spend too much time doing the chore-like quick-time events to even notice it<_< No sex minigame plz Bioware.

[Nerevar-as]

Oblivious wrote...

Really, after seeing the first three I felt like I was on a pity-date, after seeing Miranda and Jacob I felt like I just purchased a **** for the night, and after seeing Tali I felt like a pedophile No offense, but the bar must be pretty low for you to call those scenes good.

That sums up my thoughts about the whole Tali romance. No way I believe she was 22 in ME1, or at least that quarian 22 is no human 17 at best. I guess that being in my 30s has a lot to do wih that.

I agree having the LotSB conversation and something as the ME1 LS would be ideal, but EA/BW went the other way with the Fox News thing. In DA I think they were going for nudity and later chahged thier minds (although with all female of the same race with the same body it would have been awkward anyway).
My favorite LS from a game is from Sands of Time, in the baths. Was quite a few years ago and don´t remeber any controversy about it.

[Oblivious]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

Really, after seeing the first three I felt like I was on a pity-date, after seeing Miranda and Jacob I felt like I just purchased a **** for the night, and after seeing Tali I felt like a pedophile No offense, but the bar must be pretty low for you to call those scenes good.

That sums up my thoughts about the whole Tali romance. No way I believe she was 22 in ME1, or at least that quarian 22 is no human 17 at best. I guess that being in my 30s has a lot to do wih that.

I hear that. To me Tali is 17 at best and just maturing, but still a kid. It's like bedding a girl you knew since she was 14, it's wrong on so many levels.

My favorite LS from a game is from Sands of Time, in the baths. Was quite a few years ago and don´t remeber any controversy about it.

I love that games scene also, although since Ubi wasn't the juggernaut it is now and Prince of Persia was a relatively unknown title I doubt the scene itself got that much attention

[close2myheart]

Raizo wrote...

...... When you romanced Ashley/Liara/Kaiden in ME1 you kind of walked away feeling as if were now apart of a couple, I don't feel as if there is any future to any of ME2's hook ups.

I wan't Bioware to surprise me, I would like ME3 to begin off with you still dating whoever you chose to romance in ME2. The obvious adavantage to this is you don't hav eto wait untill the end of teh game to see the 'sex scene' but I was also kind of hoping that we can see other stuff, Shepard and his/her LI having dinner in his private quarters, the two just cuddling every now and again, the two comforting each other after a particulaly hard and dangerous mission ( where someone may have died ).

This.
Do want something of a blend between LotSB and ME1 final act romance scene.

[Mykel54]

I think Lair of the shadow broker proved that it is possible to have a good romance scene without showing any sexual content. I don´t think the ME1 sex cutscenes showed any explicit content, i would call them erotic at most.



But to be honest I don´t care much, as i don´t play the game to see naked bodies after all. There are other places if you want that.

[moffjc01]

I agree with Siansonea II and Moondoggie. Most (not all) of the romance in Me2 felt more like a one night stand or friend with benefits. If you are going to build a relationship with someone then communication and interaction is key (not just going on mission to blow stuff up). Bringing more interpersonal dialogue between yourself and the crew would add a great deal of depth, and more interactions between the crew themselves would bring more life to the game. Bioware has made a great and fun game but they need to push the limits a bit more. Especially where romance is involved, a bit more life would be good.



You and your crew/friend are in constant danger with death coming on happening on any given mission, I don’t know about you but if it was me I would make the most of my time particularly with someone I loved. And hanging out with your crew would build trust and comradery.

[snfonseka]

I think that "Fox controversy" also played a part at this. BW won't admit it but we can see the effects of that "Fox controversy" in ME2 romance cut scenes.

[Dark Glasses]

adriano_c wrote...

My thoughts -

I can't help but feel embarrassed to watch any of them. Even alone.

That's the problem I had with Dragon Age.
Fade to Black is good enough.

[Elite Midget]

I personally felt more of a connection with Ashley and Liara in ME1 than any of the ME2 LI. They just seemed like casual distraction and their romance wasen't as built up or had as much emotion. With Ashley and Liara you got far more dialouge out of them in ME1 and you had to build the relationship up. Will. maybe not in Liara's case. She kinda wanted Sheperd on first sight.



Anyways, I digress.



I also liked the the dialouge between Sheperd and them before Illos and how emotional and not forced it was. It just happened while I feel that the ME2 LIs are forced and just there for getting under the covers.



With all their clothes on.



They were also short and were pathetically easy to romance because of the less dialouge compared to that Ashley/Liara shared in ME1.



Before anyone asks... I didn't mention Kaiden because my Sheperd is usually male. My bad if you take offense to that.

[Mister Mida]

Brodyaha wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...
I'd bet my money on that as well. EA has always tried to make their games as non-controversive as possible. Although they are doing a terrible job with the new Medal of Honor.

The irony I see from this is: didn't EA publish The Sims? The game where you can play god with people's lives, where you can kill them through fire or build walls with no doors so you can starve those players? Where you can send the kids to military school, or if the baby's being neglected it can be taken away from you?

And I read about the Medal of Honor controversy...and while I'm incredulous that Fox News is even attempting to go head-to-head with EA again over another video game issue, I think having the ability to play as a Taliban soldier is...touchy, but if EA wants to put that in their game, that's their perogative.

Here's an excerpt from an interview:

"[Sure], I totally understand that Meredith might not want to play a game set in a war where her son was killed. But then, of course, she doesn't have to play it. Her son made a decision to become a soldier and put his life on the line, just as other adults have the decision to play what games they like.

Shouldn't we keep this philosophy in mind with all games, including Mass Effect? If Mass Effect has some nudity and it causes an uproar, gamers should utilize discretion anyway. If BioWare feels a little nudity would add to the realism of a love scene, then that's their decision.

Therefore, I think The Sims and Medal of Honor games are more controversial than seeing a little nudity in Mass Effect, even with a blue-skinned alien (who looks too much like a woman anyways to be a real "alien").  If EA can handle those issues with two of their largest selling games, surely nudity in an M-rated game is a tolerable.

Slow response on my part but I definitely agree with you. Honestly, maybe because I'm no American but I can't figure out what the deal is with Republicans/Conservatives/Americans of it comes to creative freedom or freedom of expression. They hold the First Amandment in high regard but once someone creates something that's not within their own morals and ideals yet is still legal, they scream hell and fire and demand it to be killed (with fire).

[brfritos]

snfonseka wrote...

I think that "Fox controversy" also played a part at this. BW won't admit it but we can see the effects of that "Fox controversy" in ME2 romance cut scenes.

The worst part of this is that Bioware simply cowered and goes behind the desk.

It was so easy to dinimish or put Fox in their place, a simply "this is the accusation of a news network that have a racist and misogynist contributor (Ann Coulter)" or "this critics comes from a network trying to damage a competitor (MSNBC) indirectly by their games".

But no, they eat and swallow everything. <_<

[Elite Midget]

It isn't all Americans that are so restrictive and jerky. Usually it's the church goers or those who are very old. Most of the new, and younger, generation are more Liberal and it ticks their parents off.

[brfritos]

Elite Midget wrote...

It isn't all Americans that are so restrictive and jerky. Usually it's the church goers or those who are very old. Most of the new, and younger, generation are more Liberal and it ticks their parents off.

Sure they are, the hippies are proof of this.

Please... <_<

[snfonseka]

brfritos wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

I think that "Fox controversy" also played a part at this. BW won't admit it but we can see the effects of that "Fox controversy" in ME2 romance cut scenes.

The worst part of this is that Bioware simply cowered and goes behind the desk.

It was so easy to dinimish or put Fox in their place, a simply "this is the accusation of a news network that have a racist and misogynist contributor (Ann Coulter)" or "this critics comes from a network trying to damage a competitor (MSNBC) indirectly by their games".

But no, they eat and swallow everything. <_<

Because of this, I am sure that most of the fans / gamers who stood up for Bioware at that time, are now disapointed...

[Fiery Phoenix]

Interesting points, everyone.

As much as I loved some of the romance scenes and buildups in ME2 (e.g. Thane's), I always felt they were "rushed". I don't even know if that's the right word, but you get the idea.

In ME1, the romances felt more serious and emotionally engaging. There was lots of romance-driven dialog, even during the romance scene itself. The fact that ME1 included nudity is a plus; it shouldn't be taken as a de facto reason that the ME1 romances are the better ones. It's about the dialog and level of emotion that makes a romance feel like romance.

LOTSB did a remarkably good job with this. Even if Liara isn't your current love interest, the reconciliation scene with her was just beyond brilliant. There was interesting dialog, the scene was long enough, and you actually feel like you're reuniting with an old friend/lover.

The Dragon Age romances were not particularly good, but they had their advantages. I especially liked the kissing scenes. But I did NOT like the underwear scenes.

Basically, more dialog and emotion, less abbreviation and cheapness. Sex and nudity remain a bonus and are not necessarily what makes romance great. Sure, we could always use some skin, but not without a high emotional and dialog level. 

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 16 septembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[Elite Midget]

brfritos wrote...

Sure they are, the hippies are proof of this.

Please... <_<

The Hippies grew up and became what they hated. It's an ironic fate.

[brfritos]

snfonseka wrote...

brfritos wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

I think that "Fox controversy" also played a part at this. BW won't admit it but we can see the effects of that "Fox controversy" in ME2 romance cut scenes.

The worst part of this is that Bioware simply cowered and goes behind the desk.

It was so easy to dinimish or put Fox in their place, a simply "this is the accusation of a news network that have a racist and misogynist contributor (Ann Coulter)" or "this critics comes from a network trying to damage a competitor (MSNBC) indirectly by their games".

But no, they eat and swallow everything. <_<

Because of this, I am sure that most of the fans / gamers who stood up for Bioware at that time, are now disapointed...

I'm one of them.

It really makes me sad the way Bioware passively accepted all the fire and defended itself in a very small position, like they were wrong, instead of replying "Who the hell you think you are, go to hell Fox. And shut up, f*** you and close the door on your way out".

I mean, if you love your work and put a huge effort on it - like I'm sure Bioware did - I will make sure that unfounded accusations don't go away that easily/

Modifié par brfritos, 16 septembre 2010 - 02:43 .

[Elite Midget]

If they did that than Fox would have rallied its fanbase/viewers into a smear campaign against Bioware. History has proven that those with a large following can get away with practically anything no matter how stupid. You'll be surprised what ignorant followers will do to appease those that they follow. It's a sad thing but it happens. Besides.



Everyone knows that 20% of any culture are crazy/stupid. Sadly the most vocal of us are stupid and are very good at convincing normally smart people to follow them.