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[krimesh]

Talking about the "Fox controversy", can someone post a link or something, or at least tell me what actually happened?

Modifié par krimesh, 16 septembre 2010 - 02:55 .

[brfritos]

Elite Midget wrote...

If they did that than Fox would have rallied its fanbase/viewers into a smear campaign against Bioware. History has proven that those with a large following can get away with practically anything no matter how stupid. You'll be surprised what ignorant followers will do to appease those that they follow. It's a sad thing but it happens. Besides.

Everyone knows that 20% of any culture are crazy/stupid. Sadly the most vocal of us are stupid and are very good at convincing normally smart people to follow them.

Yes, I agree that Fox would probably try this, but they also face it heavy resistance at the time of more open mind people.

I also think that Bioware would have at least support from not so extremist media, like MSNBC and NYT, I'm sure they won't be alone on this.

But we will never know, since they cowered.
And Rockstar didn't back down with GTA, remember?

Modifié par brfritos, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[stewie1974]

It's just funny to me that "Romanace = Sex Scene"....me thinks romance is dead.

There are ways of portraying a "love interest" rather than plain old nookie scene. There are plenty of good movies out there that in "my opinion"

A great example of a "love scene" is the climatic finale of the 1991 micheal mann film "last of the mochicians" where Alice and Uncas are clearly utterly in love, dispite during the course of the movie them having no nookie or even spoken expressions of that love.... it's all done with looks....glances, and the final sacrafice that makes you go "oh my word they really loved each other"...


The Empire Strikes Back Han and Liea romance is one of my all time favourvites.... the princess and the scoundrel.... they didn't even get to kiss during that time in the engineering room thanks to 3po's untimely interuption.... the only time they got to kiss was before han was sent into the carbon freeze, and of course .... "I know" stands as the ultimate "non cheesey" response to "I love you".

"I'd do more than flirt with you"
"I could use a hug"
" I remember the last time you put pressure on me"
" Just be alive for me right now"

It's pure sexual relations... it's not "love".... and yes this might be me arguing about schemantics... but I do think most if not all love interests in mass effect are purely sexual.

Tali and shepards story prehaps illustrates this better.... Tali clearly loves shepard....she's willing to die or get sick to please him.... shepard can encourage this, leading to a sex scene.... which is not the "love thing to do"... if he truely "loved her" would he take the risk at all? especially prior to a mission in which he needs her at her fighting best? "I know we are going on a mission, here drink this vial of anthrax before we do....it shouldn't impede your performance"

Yeah, so lets be honest...

Romance scene does not equal sex scene.

If you want nookie scenes , just say you want nookie scenes ....****** material is fine...but don't delude yourselves that it's about "love ".... it's just titalation... Now I watch plenty of porn, so I'm fine with any amount of flesh shown...

Just hate the idea that "romance" and "love interest" are put into the same catagory as "full nudity, penetration, hardcore anal sex for M/M ... scissoring for F/F"....  hell after all, you don't class "debbie does dallas" as a romantic movie ...

In short, if you want more graphic sex scenes.... that's fine, I sure as hell wouldn't mind it at all, but not under the guise that it's a "romantic /love interest"..

Modifié par stewie1974, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:36 .

[Chuvvy]

My moneys on ME3's sex scenes being fully clothed in the missionary position and one of the people involved will be holding a bible, the way God intended.

[krimesh]

Sex may not equal romance, but the former may still be a subset of the latter. Certainly, including sex does not spoil a romance by itself. Anyway, I'm not getting what Fox's point could have been. I mean... nudity? Your average TV series has as much nudity and sex as ME1 does.

[Chuvvy]

krimesh wrote...

Talking about the "Fox controversy", can someone post a link or something, or at least tell me what actually happened?

Some idiotic bimbo that had never played the game said it was fully interactive and showed full nudity, she just wanted to promote her book. Fox took this as fact.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Mister Mida wrote...
Slow response on my part but I definitely agree with you. Honestly, maybe because I'm no American but I can't figure out what the deal is with Republicans/Conservatives/Americans of it comes to creative freedom or freedom of expression. They hold the First Amandment in high regard but once someone creates something that's not within their own morals and ideals yet is still legal, they scream hell and fire and demand it to be killed (with fire).

The blame is more set on social conservatives, but you see those on both sides of the aisle. What it boils down to is whether you believe the government should be used to impose your values on others, and too many people believe that even though they'd scream bloody murder when the opposite side takes power and does the same thing to them that they were already doing. Banning victimless behaviors doesn't get rid of them, it just causes them to go underground.

The conservatives aren't the only ones guilty of this, as I'm sure anyone who remembers the Tipper Gore fiasco can recall.

[Chuvvy]

krimesh wrote...

Sex may not equal romance, but the former may still be a subset of the latter. Certainly, including sex does not spoil a romance by itself. Anyway, I'm not getting what Fox's point could have been. I mean... nudity? Your average TV series has as much nudity and sex as ME1 does.

I've been screaming this on the streets for ages. ME is rated M, an R rated movie can have nudity. But an M rated game can't, even though they have the same exact target audience. But becauce one is a video game they think everyone that plays it is ten.

[krimesh]

Slidell505 wrote...

krimesh wrote...

Talking about the "Fox controversy", can someone post a link or something, or at least tell me what actually happened?

Some idiotic bimbo that had never played the game said it was fully interactive and showed full nudity, she just wanted to promote her book. Fox took this as fact.

I guess this has been discussed a lot on this forum already, so sorry, but even if ME were all that..... So What? What did Fox say? Beware of Bioware, for in their games you can have dirty sex like you had yesterday in real life?

[krimesh]

Well, I guess a ten-year old will never get to the sex-scenes as he or she will not have the patience for all the talking you need to do to get there...

EDI: "That was a joke."

Modifié par krimesh, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:44 .

[Chuvvy]

krimesh wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

krimesh wrote...

Talking about the "Fox controversy", can someone post a link or something, or at least tell me what actually happened?

Some idiotic bimbo that had never played the game said it was fully interactive and showed full nudity, she just wanted to promote her book. Fox took this as fact.

I guess this has been discussed a lot on this forum already, so sorry, but even if ME were all that..... So What? What did Fox say? Beware of Bioware, for in their games you can have dirty sex like you had yesterday in real life?

Before you know it our kids will be having unprotected sex, sharing needles and contracting the HIV virus. Are you happy bioware? You just gave our kids full blown AIDS. And something about the golden age of America. You know the usual.

[Elite Midget]

I think you missed a lot of previous posts there, stewie1974.



The ME1 romance was not full-blown or anything. You didn't even see anything hardcore. However, the ME1 Romance scenes(and initiating the Romances as well as leading up Illos) were far more refined and better intergrated than the one night stands of ME2.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Not to take this political but...

How in the world did someone come up with  MSNBC/NYT as being non-extreeme yet having to claim Fox News is extreeme?

I'll have you all know your more in danger of being regulated and banned under this current government than you ever have --- and Fox News out of what... ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN --- wow ... I'm on 4 right now... or is someone going to quote the Huffington Post too... Muarine Dowd perhaps as a pirah of open mindedness?

lol...

All the @#$@#$'n media promotes things about the problems with games... to say otherwise is simply becomming part of the heard mentaility because  Kieth Oblermann said so  (  that is after wetting himself from being too excited about the next Right Wing nemeissis while over looking 1,0000 breaches of ill refute from the other side).

Yeah thats some open mindedness.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:50 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

You better hope that David Axlerod and Valeri Jaret doesn't start looking into the game medium, because I can see where the Obeseity clause from the great people of open mindedness will either regulate and/or tax you for the very products your enjoying right now.

Wake up! The whole " the progressives are in" isn't going be your cup of tea at the end the day, its going to be your shackle and leash.

Why just think what the great   Uncle Michael Bloomburg of New York City for you NYT'ers out there  can get off of you once he finds the answer to his war on fat can include possible law suits to game developers for making their products too addictive to children and therefore there needs to be some oversite and regulation involved.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Chuvvy]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Not to take this political but...

How in the world did someone come up with  MSNBC/NYT as being non-extreeme yet having to claim Fox News is extreeme?

I'll have you all know your more in danger of being regulated and banned under this current government than you ever have --- and Fox News out of what... ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN --- wow ... I'm on 4 right now... or is someone going to quote the Huffington Post too... Muarine Dowd perhaps as a pirah of open mindedness?

lol...

All the @#$@#$'n media promotes things about the problems with games... to say otherwise is simply becomming part of the heard mentaility because  Kieth Oblermann said so  (  that is after wetting himself from being too excited about the next Right Wing nemeissis while over looking 1,0000 breaches of ill refute from the other side).

Yeah thats some open mindedness.

Everyone that works in news is a ******. They do what they can to keep their ratings up. Video Games are a very quick and easy way to make it look like you're doing something. That's why politicians go after them periodically. They're completely content to white wash something to adavance themselves.

****, I'm angry now.

Modifié par Slidell505, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:56 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

krimesh wrote...
 whi
Sex may not equal romance, but the former may still be a subset of the latter. Certainly, including sex does not spoil a romance by itself. Anyway, I'm not getting what Fox's point could have been. I mean... nudity? Your average TV series has as much nudity and sex as ME1 does.

That's what makes all this funny to me. I don't see how a game can't have nudity whereas movies and TV shows already do. Because games are a child thing? Sorry, but that's just plain idiotic and utterly false. It's not like today's children aren't watching all the good stuff on TV anyway.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Slidell505 wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Not to take this political but...

How in the world did someone come up with  MSNBC/NYT as being non-extreeme yet having to claim Fox News is extreeme?

I'll have you all know your more in danger of being regulated and banned under this current government than you ever have --- and Fox News out of what... ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN --- wow ... I'm on 4 right now... or is someone going to quote the Huffington Post too... Muarine Dowd perhaps as a pirah of open mindedness?

lol...

All the @#$@#$'n media promotes things about the problems with games... to say otherwise is simply becomming part of the heard mentaility because  Kieth Oblermann said so  (  that is after wetting himself from being too excited about the next Right Wing nemeissis while over looking 1,0000 breaches of ill refute from the other side).

Yeah thats some open mindedness.

Everyone that works in news is a ******. They do what they can to keep their ratings up. Video Games are a very quick and easy way to make it look like you're doing something. That's why politicians go after them periodically. They're completely content to white wash something to adavance themselves.

****, I'm angry now.

Thank you Sir for agknowleging that.

Simply attempting to claim that some of those organizations are  " on your side"  because it happens to slant horribly in the views you like in certain realms of political life does not give them some  get of jail free card from the same abuses one would claim another is doing.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Slidell505 wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Not to take this political but...

How in the world did someone come up with  MSNBC/NYT as being non-extreeme yet having to claim Fox News is extreeme?

I'll have you all know your more in danger of being regulated and banned under this current government than you ever have --- and Fox News out of what... ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN --- wow ... I'm on 4 right now... or is someone going to quote the Huffington Post too... Muarine Dowd perhaps as a pirah of open mindedness?

lol...

All the @#$@#$'n media promotes things about the problems with games... to say otherwise is simply becomming part of the heard mentaility because  Kieth Oblermann said so  (  that is after wetting himself from being too excited about the next Right Wing nemeissis while over looking 1,0000 breaches of ill refute from the other side).

Yeah thats some open mindedness.

Everyone that works in news is a ******. They do what they can to keep their ratings up. Video Games are a very quick and easy way to make it look like you're doing something. That's why politicians go after them periodically. They're completely content to white wash something to adavance themselves.

****, I'm angry now.

Yes, I think we can all agree. Screw corporate media.

Now, so they don't lock the thread, as I've said elsewhere, I prefer ME1's. I hate the way DAO and ME2 turned out so much, if they really aren't going to be able to do what ME1 did, then I'd be fine with the standard fade to black of LotSB.

[stewie1974]

Elite Midget wrote...

I think you missed a lot of previous posts there, stewie1974.

The ME1 romance was not full-blown or anything. You didn't even see anything hardcore. However, the ME1 Romance scenes(and initiating the Romances as well as leading up Illos) were far more refined and better intergrated than the one night stands of ME2.

We are talking bout nudey stuff being cut from the game....

I know you didn't see anything hardcore... but there was less "flesh" on display in ME2 and that's what the complaints are about...

[Chuvvy]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

krimesh wrote...
 whi
Sex may not equal romance, but the former may still be a subset of the latter. Certainly, including sex does not spoil a romance by itself. Anyway, I'm not getting what Fox's point could have been. I mean... nudity? Your average TV series has as much nudity and sex as ME1 does.

That's what makes all this funny to me. I don't see how a game can't have nudity whereas movies and TV shows already do. Because games are a child thing? Sorry, but that's just plain idiotic and utterly false. It's not like today's children aren't watching all the good stuff on TV anyway.

It's stupid but it's because of the word game. If it was called something like interactive entertainment, I doubt there'd be as many problems. But this happens all the time when new stuff comes out. Happened with comic books, moving your hips while dancing and rock and roll, to name a few.

Modifié par Slidell505, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Not to take this political but...

How in the world did someone come up with  MSNBC/NYT as being non-extreeme yet having to claim Fox News is extreeme?

I'll have you all know your more in danger of being regulated and banned under this current government than you ever have --- and Fox News out of what... ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN --- wow ... I'm on 4 right now... or is someone going to quote the Huffington Post too... Muarine Dowd perhaps as a pirah of open mindedness?

lol...

All the @#$@#$'n media promotes things about the problems with games... to say otherwise is simply becomming part of the heard mentaility because  Kieth Oblermann said so  (  that is after wetting himself from being too excited about the next Right Wing nemeissis while over looking 1,0000 breaches of ill refute from the other side).

Yeah thats some open mindedness.

Everyone that works in news is a ******. They do what they can to keep their ratings up. Video Games are a very quick and easy way to make it look like you're doing something. That's why politicians go after them periodically. They're completely content to white wash something to adavance themselves.

****, I'm angry now.

Yes, I think we can all agree. Screw corporate media.

Now, so they don't lock the thread, as I've said elsewhere, I prefer ME1's. I hate the way DAO and ME2 turned out so much, if they really aren't going to be able to do what ME1 did, then I'd be fine with the standard fade to black of LotSB.

Well anyone is more than welcome to send me a PM if there's an issue --- I don't hide from debate.

However... this is a game forum about our beloved hobby.

How I would adress this issue is this...   If  ME1 was able to publish what it was able to... then that to me is basically the measure one should take for future Li romances.  No more. No less. Its pefect the way it was.  Its really that simple.  Dragon Age got away with near murder.  I'm just saying you don't go beyond or below what ME1 began and fiished at... that should be fair enough eh?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Slidell505 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

krimesh wrote...
 whi
Sex may not equal romance, but the former may still be a subset of the latter. Certainly, including sex does not spoil a romance by itself. Anyway, I'm not getting what Fox's point could have been. I mean... nudity? Your average TV series has as much nudity and sex as ME1 does.

That's what makes all this funny to me. I don't see how a game can't have nudity whereas movies and TV shows already do. Because games are a child thing? Sorry, but that's just plain idiotic and utterly false. It's not like today's children aren't watching all the good stuff on TV anyway.

It's stupid but it's because of the word game. If it was called something like interactive entertainment, I doubt there'd be as many problems. But this happens all the time when new stuff comes out. Happened with comic books, moving your hips while dancing and rock and roll, to name a few.

You're right.

Personally, I think Mass Effect is too good to be called a "just a game".

[Chuvvy]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
You're right.

Personally, I think Mass Effect is too good to be called a "just a game".

People in movies **** on the gaming industry, even though it's the highest grossing entertainment medium. Hell the movie industry still ****'s on TV.

Modifié par Slidell505, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

...staying on topic,



I think that they should mix it up in ME3 a little. I actually liked the way it was done in DAO, where you actually had a relationship. Once you and Leliana sparked up conversation and did the do...you still had a relationship afterwards. When ever you went to camp, you just say..."lets go to bed" and that was that. Instead of having the "3 conversations and do it before we die" scenario. Besides the fact that you can switch women in mid stream in DAO. I was with Morrigan first, but then I got tired of her so I started talking to Leliana. now, that doesn't mean that would work with ME, cause I dont think you want to be with Jack and then break up with her to start talking to Miranda...



But I think it would be cool since you are already with someone in the beginning, to have relationship type conversations after missions etc.... We don't know what the beginning cut scene will be in ME3, I doubt it will be another "somehow we got separated again and I have to go find my romance from ME2" ordeal....or at least I hope not.



just my $ .02

[Aedan_Cousland]

Video games are no longer just about mindless fun at the arcade. Some of them have become a story telling medium on par with books or movies, particularly in the RPG genre. With that in mind, I think the sex scenes in Mass Effect games should be no less cinematic than what we see at the movie theater. So far I think the Mass Effect series has done a fairly good job of that, both in ME1 and ME2. If you want to see sex scenes executed poorly in a game, play Dragon Age: Origins.