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[Xilizhra]

I do not see how the destruction of the Destiny Ascension is less risky. How could you know Shandepared, BEFORE the scene, that Sovereign was actually going to die?

There's this as well. If worst comes to worst, the Citadel is lost but the leaders of the galaxy are still alive, and some political organization will exist to rally the survivors under some kind of banner. Open war is probably hopeless, but organization is very helpful.

How did you come to this conclusion?

OOC: I knew about ME before playing it and my choice was tainted by spoilers. IC: Thinking the fleet's ability to fight Sovereign wouldn't be crippled, plus what Alien said.

[Whereto]

i tend to go full paragon. But if it was me in real life that had to make some of those decisions i would of chosen a completely different option. For example: i would of saved the collector base if i could of keep TIMs hands away from it or if i could monitor his use of the base. I dont agree with cerberus but they do get the job done(given they do f alot of it up) but they would not be that big if they hadnt got some things right. Put simply there are only a few options in this game and for me some arent the options i would take and i find the renegade options stupid(besides the collector base)

[Xilizhra]

I don't know that Sovereign will die but I do know that logically his chances of being defeated are greatest if I hit him with everything I've got. Also you are completely wrong. If Sovereign wins the leaders of the galaxy will NOT survive and they will NOT rally anyone behind their banner. If the Reapers pour through then they get complete control of the Citadel and the relay network is shut down. Boom, game over. Galactic civilization has been instantly dissolved with each cluster isolated. Everyone is then killed off over the next few centuries.

Ah, yes, the relay network slipped my mind. Going back to the calculated risk part.

[Alienoudamour]

It's all perspective. I'd rather take the risk of saving the Council, trying to preserve galactic peace and unification, than take the risk of save the galactic civilization only to see it self-destruct.

Self destruction or destruction by the Reapers... It is still destruction.

[Xilizhra]

Wait a minute; I was right! The decision takes place after Shepard kills Saren (or he kills himself) and takes over all of the Citadel's systems. There's no longer a time limit; Sovereign can't take the Citadel unless it kills Shepard and manually overrides Vigil's data file. Now it's just a matter of pounding on Sovereign until it breaks.

[Alienoudamour]

Well, if the salarians created the genophage, there was a reason. If the Council, few centuries ago, decided to unleash the krogans over the rachnis, there was a reason too.

With so much different cultures, races, the balance is very fragile. When I walk across the ME universe, I just have the feeling that anything could bring up some kind of massive war.

So yes, to me, a giant civil war in that universe could be very destructive.



And thanks Xilizhra to remind me this crucial information.

(but the virus Shepard used is not meant to last very long, is it? I mean Sovereign can override the system if he waits?)

[Alienoudamour]

Shandepared wrote...



Yeah, it could be, but I don't think you really grasp just what it is the Reapers want to do.

Hum. I may not speak english very well, but I do understand it, and I really think I clearly understood what were ME1 and 2 about.
When I said "very destructive", I meant it, as in "total destruction".
And, but it's just my opinion, I really prefer trying saving the galaxy ('cause it's a game, I never said that I would have made the sames choices in real life) by building something strong between people and races, rather than doing some tyrannic and destructive actions.
Cause, now that Sovereign is destructed, I'm glad I tried to save the Council, I'm glad I let Miss Rachni live, etc.

[MarchWaltz]

For my main character, every choice I make is based off of "what would I do if I was there".



I turn out Paragon, with a decent renegade score (criminal scum deserve to die)

[Cheese Elemental]

MarchWaltz wrote...

For my main character, every choice I make is based off of "what would I do if I was there".

I turn out Paragon, with a decent renegade score (criminal scum deserve to die)

I did that for one of my playthroughs. I full paragon and about 1/4 renegade, which I think reflects my personality well.

[Alienoudamour]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

MarchWaltz wrote...

For my main character, every choice I make is based off of "what would I do if I was there".

I turn out Paragon, with a decent renegade score (criminal scum deserve to die)

I did that for one of my playthroughs. I full paragon and about 1/4 renegade, which I think reflects my personality well.

I try to do so... But the paths are really "black or white" (manichean?), so it's sometimes quite hard to choose...

[Dave of Canada]

Meta game aside, I agree with almost all Renegade choices.

[Dave of Canada]

Without Metagame, here's my Renegade Shepard and how he (me) reasons his decisions.

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ME1.

Noveria: Rachni Queen is killed due to the risk they impose, she's asking the guy with the gun for mercy and claiming innocence. While she seemed nicer than the other Rachni I fought through recently, I wouldn't take the risk of another war with the Rachni. With the Krogan suffering the genophage, Rachni could probably win or greatly thin more of the Krogan numbers. 

Feros: Colony destroyed, they got in the way of stopping the Thorian and I had to stop the Thorian at all costs. The gas grenades were an assumption that it would keep them down and who knows how they would react after the Thorian died? What if this was contagious even after the Thorian is gone? Shiala was killed due to her ties with Saren, I felt once again like she was just playing my Shepard as a sucker to get out.

Virmire: Kaidan was rescued even though I was romancing Ashley, Kaidan was a superior officer and one should never let personal feelings get in the way of such a decision. My Shepard watched Ashley burn, felt horrible and vowed to stop Saren. Kirahee and Wrex were saved / spared, they are good men and don't deserve to die (even though I got a few paragon points for saving Kirahee).

Council: I told them the Alliance to focus on Sovereign, the station's arms were closed but we needed every functional ship in the fleet. Who cares if the Council was destroyed? While I knew the Aliens wouldn't like my choice, they wouldn't have time to hate me if the Reapers won.

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ME2.

Genophage cure: I told Mordin to destroy the data, he could always create another one himself but until that time comes Shepard wouldn't want to involve himself with the genophage due to him not being part of the Krogan Rebellions. Asking him to make a choice that big without any handson knowledge of what happened isn't wise.

Geth Base: The Geth base was destroyed due to Shepard fearing how all this Heretic Geth info would integrate into the Geth collective, Legion said he didn't know what happened and it could possibly lead to more Heretics down the line. Legion and his geth seem fine with blowing it up and probably won't be insulted by my action, thus destruction is preferable. (+ My Shepard views the rewrite as a similar form of indoctrination.)

Kasumi's data: Why the hell would I want to keep something that can harm the now all-human council even further? It was destroyed without hestiation, I don't need to give the aliens more fuel for their already burning fire.

Samara: Yeah... no way am I siding with Morinth, I can't see why I'd like somebody who has taken interest in killing Shepard and has killing hundreds before that, while Samara is willing to kill me for what I've done at least she's upfront about it.

Quarians: Good luck in your war. If Earth was in a similar state, I wouldn't give it up and I sure as hell would fight for it. While this might be the most "preposterous!" claim for Tali fans, I always gave the Admiralty Board the information that Tali's father gathered because they should know what happened and use it regardless of how it was obtained.

Collector Base: Same reasoning as the Council, I spared it for the fight against the Reapers. While I don't entirely trust Cerberus, if they help me destroy the Reapers then they are a valuable ally to have and any tech they have can most likely benefit me as well. Should they get too greedy, I'll kill the Illusive Man myself.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:49 .

[Dave of Canada]

Shandepared wrote...

When it comes to Shiala I spare her for two reasons:

1.) I really like her cameo in ME2, most especially a certain piece of dialog you can get from her

2.) Why trust her to mind meld with you but then execute her? Just a weak point in the writing I suppose. If Shepard doesn't trust her he should just shoot her outright or arrest her. Oh well, limits of the medium I guess.

Oh, I can understand it. I just really, really find the whole "I was indoctrinated, put in the Thorian and now I'm all better." thing really... off. I spared her on one Renegade and was amused she was a mercenary when the camp was destroyed, though.

[Dave of Canada]

Shandepared wrote...

What do you mean mercenary?

She showed up on my playthrough dressed in full combat armor and said she was trying to help people as best and she could but didn't know how.

Edit: Wait.. it isn't mercenary, what's those elite Asari units?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 septembre 2010 - 05:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

I don't have a screenshot (due to all my characters having done the sidequest) but ME2's Wikia article also happens to mention it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 septembre 2010 - 05:20 .

[Dave of Canada]

Ah, that might do it.

[wizardryforever]

Well Shadepared is right in that saving the Council is a risk, but it is an acceptable (even necessary) risk.

Here's why:  If you send part of your fleet to save the Council, you do risk Sovereign succeeding.  If you don't save the Council, society is disrupted greatly by the loss.  It's more complicated than that, but this is what it all boils down to.  You either risk destruction now by attempting to preserve your chances later, or you throw all of your eggs into one basket and win now only to cripple your chances later.  Given the fact that the Reapers are coming regardless of whether you stop Sovereign or not, saving the Council is the logical choice.

So it comes down to risk destruction at Sovereign's hand (tentacle?) but save your chances later, or focus only on the immediate threat and beat it, only to lose later when the Reapers come anyway.  True, that is also a risk, letting the galaxy be divided when the Reapers arrive in exchange for the short lived victory of stopping Sovereign.  The galaxy may pull through despite the chaos and distrust, but that is a far greater risk in my opinion than sending out some cruisers to save the Ascension.

As for Paragon/Renegade arguments, I usually don't get involved when people are unwilling to even consider the other point of view, since like almost everything else, it's relative.  When people tout their beliefs as the one true way and every other way is stupid, they don't come across as rational people that can discuss topics without flaming.  Sadly, most of these arguments nowadays are done by these types of people.

Modifié par wizardryforever, 11 septembre 2010 - 05:32 .