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[Ryzaki]

The hilarity in this is if there wasn't so many damn cliffhangers most people wouldn't be so damn unwilling to let go of their wardens. >_>

[Theagg]

danitza81 wrote...

I am all for cliffhangers or 'stories that leave the player still wanting more'.

The one thing that bugs me though is the possibility that I may never find out why the Warden 'vanished' as stated in the Awakening epilogue. Will we ever know?

Well, it was vanished but importantly the rest of the epilogue points out clearly that but neither does anyone think his/her tale is complete.

So, you could read into that many things, that upon vanishing, the warden returns at some point. That where they have vanished to is part and parcel of the ongoing plot and its there the wardens tale continues.....and so on.

From the ending of my wardens trek through Witch Hunt, I can well imagine she continue her pursuit of Flemeth ( because well, thats what Morrigan suggested I do ) and that vanishing may have something to do with that.

[UberDuber]

Ryzaki wrote...

The hilarity in this is if there wasn't so many damn cliffhangers most people wouldn't be so damn unwilling to let go of their wardens. >_>

I'm never letting go of my warden. He is a part of me, I put my soul into him! I will never let go....until Bioware kills him off, then I get my closure.

WARDEN FOR DA3!

[Nozybidaj]

I just found it interesting seeing that the fans of the game seem to have deeper attachments to the characters than the creators themselves, and then said creators getting mad at them for doing so. Its odd really, same sort of thing happened with ME2.



It is all well and good to come out after the fact and say "no no no, the Warden isn't the main character of this story, Thedas is", but if that is the case they did a very poor job of presenting that vision of the DA story to the players.



DAO is clearly centered around the Warden. Who he/she is, where they came from, what choices they make, who they meet along the way. The game itself was never concerned with showing how Thedas was being changed and effected, it was clearly designed to encourage people to create attachment to the characters themselves.



I mean, I don't see very many fan threads "Show your Support for Thedas here!!". I see lots of Morrigan threads, and Leliana threads, and Alistar threads, and Warden threads, but unless my eyes have deceived me, not a single "We *heart* Thedas" thread.



If the intention all along was that Thedas, and the story of Thedas was the real main character, regardless of who our protagonist may be in any particular installment, they did a very poor job of sharing that with the player in DAO.



To come to the forum then and actually get mad about the fact that people want to see and hear more of the Warden considering the entire first chapter of the series was designed to make people create attachment to the Warden seems a bit childish to me.

[Antaress]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I just found it interesting seeing that the fans of the game seem to have deeper attachments to the characters than the creators themselves, and then said creators getting mad at them for doing so. Its odd really, same sort of thing happened with ME2.

It is all well and good to come out after the fact and say "no no no, the Warden isn't the main character of this story, Thedas is", but if that is the case they did a very poor job of presenting that vision of the DA story to the players.

DAO is clearly centered around the Warden. Who he/she is, where they came from, what choices they make, who they meet along the way. The game itself was never concerned with showing how Thedas was being changed and effected, it was clearly designed to encourage people to create attachment to the characters themselves.

I mean, I don't see very many fan threads "Show your Support for Thedas here!!". I see lots of Morrigan threads, and Leliana threads, and Alistar threads, and Warden threads, but unless my eyes have deceived me, not a single "We *heart* Thedas" thread.

If the intention all along was that Thedas, and the story of Thedas was the real main character, regardless of who our protagonist may be in any particular installment, they did a very poor job of sharing that with the player in DAO.

To come to the forum then and actually get mad about the fact that people want to see and hear more of the Warden considering the entire first chapter of the series was designed to make people create attachment to the Warden seems a bit childish to me.

+1:ph34r:

[Leonia]

DAO is clearly centered around the Warden. Who he/she is, where they came from, what choices they make, who they meet along the way. The game itself was never concerned with showing how Thedas was being changed and effected, it was clearly designed to encourage people to create attachment to the characters themselves.

Ok, I'll bite.

The story of Origins would have happened with or without the The Warden, as Darkspawn Chronicles alludes to. There is no reason the player HAD to be involved to help Alistair fight against the Blight. The same NPCs/Companions could have been met and interacted with and the story would have progressed the same way without a customisable Warden that was saved by Duncan.

It's not centred around The Warden at all. If anything, The Warden is a game mechanic where Bioware gave us the freedom to design a character (and choose a background) so that people didn't moan about having to play a pre-defined character (though, to be honest, The Warden really is a pre-defined character, you still have to do the same major plot points and aside from one of six origins, the story is more or less the same).

The story of Origins is mostly about conquering the Fifth Blight and, to a lesser degree, the politics of Ferelden during that time.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:40 .

[Anarya]

Nozybidaj wrote...

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They aren't getting "mad" at you for being attached to their characters. Didn't Gaider just say that it's a compliment? What they find irritating is the sense of entitlement and outrage directed their way by fans.

Thedas being the connecting thread between DA games is something that I think will probably become more apparent when more than one game has been released. Just because each game has a hero doesn't mean that hero is the most important thing in the franchise.

[Herr Uhl]

Nozybidaj wrote...


If the intention all along was that Thedas, and the story of Thedas was the real main character, regardless of who our protagonist may be in any particular installment, they did a very poor job of sharing that with the player in DAO.

The warden was the main character of Origins. Thedas is the setting of all the stories. I was probably one of the few that didn't expect the warden to keep on being a protagonist for all the games before release. There was just so much more to be done in the world.

[upsettingshorts]

Anarya wrote...
Just because each game has a hero doesn't mean that hero is the most important thing in the franchise.

Indeed.  It actually reminds me of the fans in the ME2 forums here and elsewhere who dislike Aria intensely because she doesn't worship the ground Shepard walks on.

[Antaress]

Anarya wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

[stuff]

They aren't getting "mad" at you for being attached to their characters. Didn't Gaider just say that it's a compliment? What they find irritating is the sense of entitlement and outrage directed their way by fans.

Thedas being the connecting thread between DA games is something that I think will probably become more apparent when more than one game has been released. Just because each game has a hero doesn't mean that hero is the most important thing in the franchise.

it is a Heroes what make story interesting and not worlds

[Leonia]

Why do I get the impression people are taking the line "Thedas is a character" a bit too literally?

What made Lord of the Rings so awesome? Aragorn? Gandalf? Frodo? Or was it a combination of all those characters, the world they lived in, the troubles they faced, and the history of the various races that tied it all together that mattered? Let's look at the bigger picture here.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:47 .

[SirShreK]

leonia42 wrote...

Why do I get the impression people are taking the line "Thedas is a character" a bit too literally?

What made Lord of the Rings so awesome? Aragorn? Gandalf? Frodo? Or was it a combination of all those characters, the world they lived in, the troubles they faced, and the history of the various races that tied it all together that mattered? Let's look at the bigger picture here.

[John Epler]

The thing is, regardless of what 'character' we put into DA:O - people would've gotten attached. There would have been people who assumed that the series (and franchise) was going to revolve around that character.



Do I think there's necessarily anything wrong with being attached to your Warden? No, not at all! That's your character, after all - and you're naturally going to want more adventures with them. I always find there's something bittersweet when you finish anything where you develop a strong attachment to the main character (or characters). I've certainly felt it before.



But in the end, Dragon Age is about Thedas, not any one character (or any one faction, for that matter). And I agree that this will likely feel more evident once more than one game comes out in the setting.

[Antaress]

leonia42 wrote...

Why do I get the impression people are taking the line "Thedas is a character" a bit too literally?

What made Lord of the Rings so awesome? Aragorn? Gandalf? Frodo? Or was it a combination of all those characters, the world they lived in, the troubles they faced, and the history of the various races that tied it all together that mattered? Let's look at the bigger picture here.

you got point there but reason of all this uproar is because we dont know what will happen to warden if  only we knew that we could continue warden story in future, trust me no one would have complain 

[UberDuber]

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.



I fell in love with DA because I thought I would continue my warden's story in a sequel. You get attacted to your wardens and companions. For this company just to say that the warden vanished off the face of the earth, and expect us to jump into a new character and story. It's annoying. I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.



Here is the fact.

The warden is MY story

Hawke is Bioware's.

[Leonia]

UberDuber wrote...

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.

I fell in love with DA because I thought I would continue my warden's story in a sequel. You get attacted to your wardens and companions. For this company just to say that the warden vanished off the face of the earth, and expect us to jump into a new character and story. It's annoying. I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.

Here is the fact.
The warden is MY story
Hawke is Bioware's.

Here's a fact for you, the game is rated M, it's supposed to be for ages 18+ only.

[upsettingshorts]

The Warden's story isn't your story. It's Bioware's story, you just pick which parts of it you want told.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:59 .

[SirShreK]

UberDuber wrote...

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.

I fell in love with DA because I thought I would continue my warden's story in a sequel. You get attacted to your wardens and companions. For this company just to say that the warden vanished off the face of the earth, and expect us to jump into a new character and story. It's annoying. I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.

Here is the fact.
The warden is MY story
Hawke is Bioware's.

Dude that's illegal.

[Theagg]

Actually, looking at the evolution of this heated and polarised debate regarding the warden, I can't help but feel how both ironic and prescient and well, framed, those epilogues are as penned by Gaider ( I assume )

lets see... "A few years later, the Warden vanishes. Nobody knows why, but "neither does anyone think her tale is complete..."

And so we have many indeed believing, wanting that to be so.

And then there are those, just as vocal, who want those words not to be true, for it to actually be the end.

Anyone, everyone, no-one. That the writers remain schtum about the real future of that character is therefore certainly how it should be.

[0rz0]

I've never been on any Final Fantasy forums, but people get fanatically attached to some characters in the series, that I know. Is there such upheaval there when a new game comes out and it doesn't have the same characters? Not just that, it's got an entire new world even.

[UberDuber]

leonia42 wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.

I fell in love with DA because I thought I would continue my warden's story in a sequel. You get attacted to your wardens and companions. For this company just to say that the warden vanished off the face of the earth, and expect us to jump into a new character and story. It's annoying. I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.

Here is the fact.
The warden is MY story
Hawke is Bioware's.

Here's a fact for you, the game is rated M, it's supposed to be for ages 18+ only.

Incase you have not noticed, maybe you should play an 18+ game online and see how many are actually over 18.

[Anarya]

UberDuber wrote...

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.

Got any proof of that or are you just making an assumption?

I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.

Not sure where you got that impression. "Character continuation" seems to be a poor thing to build a reputation on.

[SirShreK]

UberDuber wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.

I fell in love with DA because I thought I would continue my warden's story in a sequel. You get attacted to your wardens and companions. For this company just to say that the warden vanished off the face of the earth, and expect us to jump into a new character and story. It's annoying. I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.

Here is the fact.
The warden is MY story
Hawke is Bioware's.

Here's a fact for you, the game is rated M, it's supposed to be for ages 18+ only.

Incase you have not noticed, maybe you should play an 18+ game online and see how many are actually over 18.

That does NOT make it legal... Should I report you or not?

[Leonia]

UberDuber wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

All adults....are on the devs side. When really it's people like me that buy the games (I'm 16.) wether you want to face the facts or not. More under 18s buy the game than over 18s.

I fell in love with DA because I thought I would continue my warden's story in a sequel. You get attacted to your wardens and companions. For this company just to say that the warden vanished off the face of the earth, and expect us to jump into a new character and story. It's annoying. I thought Bioware were suppose to be masters at character continuation, and for me this DA2 is a huge disapointment.

Here is the fact.
The warden is MY story
Hawke is Bioware's.

Here's a fact for you, the game is rated M, it's supposed to be for ages 18+ only.

Incase you have not noticed, maybe you should play an 18+ game online and see how many are actually over 18.

So it's ok to break the law because everyone else is doing it? Seriously. Your trolling is getting annoying. This thread had some interesting discussion back on about.. page 10 or so now it's just become a big ******-for-tat about nothing important. Thanks, for your contribution, all the same.