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[Pzykozis]

leonia42 wrote...
Did you completely ignore my post about how the story of DA:O is about the Blight, not YOUR Warden? After the Origin portion of the game, the game experience is more or less the same (except for what major choices you make for your army against the Blight). If you are so attached to your character.. write some fanfiction!

Also, to borrow a line from Gaider, "Tough".

That's... a bit too subjective, the character building of a downtrodden elf / dwarf, a dwarf fallen from power, a human seeking revenge etc etc. and then their journey from a newly instated Grey Warden and then on to veteranship, far far occludes the Blight. The blight only features in for say.. perhaps a fifth of the game, sure you can say but it's mentioned constantly, well it'd be abit weird if it wasn't but it just doesn't factor in as a major player. The only other part of the game that really plays as big a role as the PC's story in DA:O is the politics of ferelden.

Politics, is probably the biggest in terms of story in DA:O it's effectively there from start to finish, from assassination plots to solidify leadership to deciding the fate of a people  by choosing their king and ushering in conservatism / a new golden age.

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UberDuber wrote...

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

Huh?  If you had fun playing them, then they served their purpose.

What else were they supposed to "mean" to you?

[Antaress]

UberDuber wrote...

*Sigh* I need a new game... I really thought DA:O would continue into DA2.
I remember when I would be hyped up for DA2 before it was even annouced. Then it got annouced, and I found out I had to play as Hawke..........I was like.......>

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

Dont lose your hope 
who know what may happend if future
as longs as there is 1% chance that warden might be back everything will be ok 

[tez19]

David Gaider wrote...

UberDuber wrote...
I don't want to keep switching places and characters everytime they decide to make an easy sequel.

It is never "easy" to move on.

You think it's a simple matter for me or the other writers to move on to new characters? Like you, we've grown attached to the ones we spent so many years with. But being attached to something and being unwilling to move onto something new are two different things. In the end one shouldn't preclude the other, and while we were reluctant to part ways with those characters, it can indeed be a lot of fun to meet the new ones and work on them.

Do I begrudge those who still feel so attached to their Warden or the old characters that they're not ready to move on? Not really, no. Like I said before, it's a compliment to what we created. When someone starts using that to the point of becoming demanding as to what they think Dragon Age must be, however, that's when I draw the line.

Do you particularly care where I draw the line? Probably not. But it's there nevertheless, and if you're at all interested in convincing the creative people to listen to your arguments you should be aware where it lies. If you're just here to sound off and state what you will or won't buy, then that's your own business. I'm sure many people won't buy DA2 just as many people will, and possibly some who didn't buy DAO for whatever reasons. We're beholden to no-one in particular, though I'll admit to being interested in what those who liked DAO have to say. That's why we're here, after all, even if sometimes it all becomes so much noise you just can't take it anymore (cue head exploding).

Am I going to get drawn into a long discussion regarding the nature of building a story, the purpose of leaving some threads dangling while tying up others, the role of a protaganist versus the role of a setting and other things? Not today-- it's pretty clear that some people just don't get it and at this point and what's more don't want to get it. If someone wishes to set forth their two cents, by all means do so, but I'm not going to get drawn into a defensive argument any more than I already have. I've snapped off enough heads this week, I think.

YOU are the professionals, you know what is best and how to create a great story and continuity. Like you said the fact people loved DA:O and want the characters back is a great compliment (even if not intended to be by the ones saying it). After all it is your job and biowares job to make a great sequel to a great game and i for one have complete faith in bioware as so far they have never let me down.
i watched an interview at PAX and you said about how bioware invests in writers and not just getting contract writers shows in their games and it really does. That is obviously why bioware is famed for great stories in their games.
Like you well know and everyone else well knows there are ALWAYS people on internet forums who want to complain and make a fuss. maybe they are genuinely concerned or maybe and most usually they just want to cause a reaction as they have nothing better to do.
At the end of the day dragon age 2 will be a great game i am sure of it and a great story, the devs will know it, the critics will know it and DA2 will get good scores and the fan will know it (the true fans).

[Alexia89]

I see people getting just as attached to Hawke...tho i dont see why so many got attached to The Warden...personally i made a bunch of them...and will probably make another after i finished DA2

[Anarya]

Personally I loved Origins, each and every member of my party, and my Warden. I mean, I use my main Warden's name and face as my forums identity, so yeah I'd say I got pretty attached. I even find it a little difficult to go and play other Wardens that I made, because I like Miss Anarya so much. >_>

However, what I value above all is being told a great story that I find engaging. Therefore, I like to keep an open mind about things. I'll admit that my first kneejerk reaction to being told about the protagonist switch was a fleeting disappointment, because like I said, I do love my Warden and all her companions. I got over it pretty quickly though once I really thought about the potential of a new story, and now with each little tidbit of information I get more excited for DA2. I've already started forming attachments to the new characters, but that doesn't mean I no longer love the old ones. I'd still be happy to see any one of them again.

But new stuff is appealing too, don't you think? Actually the feature I'm most excited for in DA2 is the frame narrative. And Varric's magnificent man-pelt.

Modifié par Anarya, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:39 .

[tez19]

UberDuber wrote...

*Sigh* I need a new game... I really thought DA:O would continue into DA2.
I remember when I would be hyped up for DA2 before it was even annouced. Then it got annouced, and I found out I had to play as Hawke..........I was like.......>

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

it really does show in your posts that you are 16.

[DarthCaine]

Listen people, you need to realize that 80% of sequels have a different protagonist: SW: KOTOR2, NwN2, The Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Vampire: The Masquerade series, Final Fantasy series, Fallout series, Metal Gear Solid series, Devil May Cry 4, Manhunt 2, GTA series, Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, True Crime series, Call of Duty series, Resident Evil series, Mafia 2, Godfather 2, BioShock 2, Medal of Honor series, Brothers in Arms series, Soul Reaver etc etc...

[Pritos]

You know, this game is named Dragon Age, not Your Warden's Age. The story told at DAO is just the beggining, is just a piece in this compilation of other stories named Dragon Age. Now it's Hawke's turn, next we may be introduced to a new character or who knows what, but the fact is that as long as we get to see the whole story of The Dragon Age, we can't say Bioware fooled us or anything like that.

[Apollo Starflare]

On the one hand people lambast the DA franchise for becoming too 'Mass Effecty' with DA2, while on the other they say it should be based entirely around one character much like Mass Effect with Shepard. Why not make it a trilogy as well! I find the focus on Thedas as a whole quite refreshing, most games thesedays seem to focus around one (or a small group) of people through numerous sequels.



That said I do hope they manage to resolve as many loose threads as possible going forward. The rumour/fact that Morrigan isn't in DA2 (I've heard conflicting things but most seem to think she isn't) is a bit of a blow, but I'm sure we'll see most, if not all, the important stuff answered in due time. I'm often amazed by the teams attention to even the smallest details as it is.

[Leonia]

Pzykozis wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
Did you completely ignore my post about how the story of DA:O is about the Blight, not YOUR Warden? After the Origin portion of the game, the game experience is more or less the same (except for what major choices you make for your army against the Blight). If you are so attached to your character.. write some fanfiction!

Also, to borrow a line from Gaider, "Tough".

That's... a bit too subjective, the character building of a downtrodden elf / dwarf, a dwarf fallen from power, a human seeking revenge etc etc. and then their journey from a newly instated Grey Warden and then on to veteranship, far far occludes the Blight. The blight only features in for say.. perhaps a fifth of the game, sure you can say but it's mentioned constantly, well it'd be abit weird if it wasn't but it just doesn't factor in as a major player. The only other part of the game that really plays as big a role as the PC's story in DA:O is the politics of ferelden.

Politics, is probably the biggest in terms of story in DA:O it's effectively there from start to finish, from assassination plots to solidify leadership to deciding the fate of a people  by choosing their king and ushering in conservatism / a new golden age.

Fair enough, it is subjective. Did you read the post I linked to? But yes, good points. Anyway the point of the post was to attempt to persuade the poster it was directed at that things don't necessarily revolve around The Warden.

That said, I've said my piece for tonight. I am just as attached to the characters of Origins as everyone else and I'll just echo that I had the same feelings as Anarya outlined in her post.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[tez19]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

tez19 wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

*Sigh* I need a new game... I really thought DA:O would continue into DA2.
I remember when I would be hyped up for DA2 before it was even annouced. Then it got annouced, and I found out I had to play as Hawke..........I was like.......>

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

it really does show in your posts that you are 16.

Really i was thinking 12. hey your guess is as good as mine 

he is 16 he said it on a page or 2 back?

[Nozybidaj]

DarthCaine wrote...

Listen people, you need to realize that 80% of sequels have a different protagonist: SW: KOTOR2, NwN2, The Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Vampire: The Masquerade series, Final Fantasy series, Fallout series, Metal Gear Solid series, Devil May Cry 4, Manhunt 2, GTA series, Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, True Crime series, Call of Duty series, Resident Evil series, Mafia 2, Godfather 2, BioShock 2, Medal of Honor series, Brothers in Arms series, Soul Reaver etc etc...

So your point is that BW should just do what everyone else does?  Interesting.

[Pritos]

tez19 wrote...

Blasto the jelly wrote...

tez19 wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

*Sigh* I need a new game... I really thought DA:O would continue into DA2.
I remember when I would be hyped up for DA2 before it was even annouced. Then it got annouced, and I found out I had to play as Hawke..........I was like.......>

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

it really does show in your posts that you are 16.

Really i was thinking 12. hey your guess is as good as mine 

he is 16 he said it on a page or 2 back?

You shouldn't believe everything you read on tha intrnetz

[Pritos]

Nozybidaj wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Listen people, you need to realize that 80% of sequels have a different protagonist: SW: KOTOR2, NwN2, The Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Vampire: The Masquerade series, Final Fantasy series, Fallout series, Metal Gear Solid series, Devil May Cry 4, Manhunt 2, GTA series, Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, True Crime series, Call of Duty series, Resident Evil series, Mafia 2, Godfather 2, BioShock 2, Medal of Honor series, Brothers in Arms series, Soul Reaver etc etc...

So your point is that BW should just do what everyone else does?  Interesting.

Why not? I can point some games in these list that are of a franchise much bigger than DAO's and has indeed switched it main character at least once.

[DarthCaine]

Nozybidaj wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Listen people, you need to realize that 80% of sequels have a different protagonist: SW: KOTOR2, NwN2, The Elder Scroll series, Fable series, Vampire: The Masquerade series, Final Fantasy series, Fallout series, Metal Gear Solid series, Devil May Cry 4, Manhunt 2, GTA series, Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, True Crime series, Call of Duty series, Resident Evil series, Mafia 2, Godfather 2, BioShock 2, Medal of Honor series, Brothers in Arms series, Soul Reaver etc etc...

So your point is that BW should just do what everyone else does?  Interesting.

My point is, why the heck is everyone surprised ?

Why is your point that it shouldn't do what everyone else does ?

[Thepeak12]

Pritos wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Blasto the jelly wrote...

tez19 wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

*Sigh* I need a new game... I really thought DA:O would continue into DA2.
I remember when I would be hyped up for DA2 before it was even annouced. Then it got annouced, and I found out I had to play as Hawke..........I was like.......>

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

it really does show in your posts that you are 16.

Really i was thinking 12. hey your guess is as good as mine 

he is 16 he said it on a page or 2 back?

You shouldn't believe everything you read on tha intrnetz

But by his posts I'm pretty sure he isn't past 16.

Modifié par Thepeak12, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:47 .

[UberDuber]

Antaress wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

*Sigh* I need a new game... I really thought DA:O would continue into DA2.
I remember when I would be hyped up for DA2 before it was even annouced. Then it got annouced, and I found out I had to play as Hawke..........I was like.......>

Guess all those add ons I bought for Origins mean nothing now...

Dont lose your hope 
who know what may happend if future
as longs as there is 1% chance that warden might be back everything will be ok 

Dude....the dev basically said. Hawke is the future of DA. accept it or move on. The warden isnt coming back. I'm done with DA....still playing origins though. Guess what happened in Origins really doesnt matter.

Anyways I'm leaving DA in the dust. Ciao.

[Nozybidaj]

DarthCaine wrote...

Why is your point that it shouldn't do what everyone else does ?

Why yes, yes it is. 

[Mary Kirby]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

Mister JohnEpler u said Dragon Age is about Thedas not any character. i created a thread why is romance important in Dragon age 2 if it dos'nt effect Thedas and i was called a REDART so could u explain on my forum

When we say that Dragon Age is about Thedas, we're talking about making history in Thedas. Think about real world history: A lot of it, at least a lot of what historians think is notable enough to write down and preserve for the ages, consists of stories about specific people. Marco Polo. Attilla the Hun. Jonas Salk. Ferdinand Magellan. Gregor Mendel. Joan of Arc. Human history doesn't make itself. Globes don't just get circumnavigated. Polio doesn't just disappear. Armies don't just get bored and decide to turn back. People do these things.

The entire story of our own human history isn't "The Adventures of Marco Polo." But that doesn't make him insignificant. Just the same, the entire story of the Dragon Age isn't "The Adventures of the Warden" or even "The Adventures of Hawke." They are both people who play critical roles in shaping history, and they have stories to explore.

Why do we include things like romances and friendships and pets if they don't change the fate of Thedas? Who's to say they don't? Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened. That's part of the story, just like it matters why Magellan sailed around the world, and how Gregor Mendel wound up studying peas in a monastery vegetable garden. The peas didn't change history, but they played their part in his story.

[DarthCaine]

UberDuber wrote...

Dude....the dev basically said. Hawke is the future of DA. accept it or move on. The warden isnt coming back. I'm done with DA....still playing origins though. Guess what happened in Origins really doesnt matter.

Anyways I'm leaving DA in the dust. Ciao.

Doesn't really matter? What's WRONG with you? Whatever happened to playing the game just for fun?

What about the hundreds of games that don't have a sequel? They don't matter? (well actually they DON'T, they're fictional stories)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

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UberDuber wrote...
Guess what happened in Origins really doesnt matter.

Um, how do I put this to a teenager...

People die.  Stories end.  Relationships fall apart.  Finality and mortality are facts of life.

That doesn't cheapen them in hindsight in the least.   If Dragon Age: Origins was a great game, then its a great game.  What happens with its sequels doesn't change that.

A lot of us gamers have been playing games for years, decades now.  Did every game franchise I loved go exactly the same I wanted it to?  Of course not.  I've learned to evaluate each game on its own merits, and not let my expectations burden me, positively or negatively.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Pritos]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Blasto the jelly wrote...

Mister JohnEpler u said Dragon Age is about Thedas not any character. i created a thread why is romance important in Dragon age 2 if it dos'nt effect Thedas and i was called a REDART so could u explain on my forum

When we say that Dragon Age is about Thedas, we're talking about making history in Thedas. Think about real world history: A lot of it, at least a lot of what historians think is notable enough to write down and preserve for the ages, consists of stories about specific people. Marco Polo. Attilla the Hun. Jonas Salk. Ferdinand Magellan. Gregor Mendel. Joan of Arc. Human history doesn't make itself. Globes don't just get circumnavigated. Polio doesn't just disappear. Armies don't just get bored and decide to turn back. People do these things.

The entire story of our own human history isn't "The Adventures of Marco Polo." But that doesn't make him insignificant. Just the same, the entire story of the Dragon Age isn't "The Adventures of the Warden" or even "The Adventures of Hawke." They are both people who play critical roles in shaping history, and they have stories to explore.

Why do we include things like romances and friendships and pets if they don't change the fate of Thedas? Who's to say they don't? Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened. That's part of the story, just like it matters why Magellan sailed around the world, and how Gregor Mendel wound up studying peas in a monastery vegetable garden. The peas didn't change history, but they played their part in his story.

I said exactly this some posts above .
Glad to know I got it rigth.