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[upsettingshorts]

Mary Kirby wrote...
Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened.

I'm gonna file that little comment away under "interesting tidbits."  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png

[Saibh]

Blasto the jelly wrote...

AH now i understand and i can stop asking this question and annoying people also thanks Mary for the reply 

...People said the same thing over and over, man. Don't make me shoot you again.

[Nozybidaj]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Blasto the jelly wrote...

Mister JohnEpler u said Dragon Age is about Thedas not any character. i created a thread why is romance important in Dragon age 2 if it dos'nt effect Thedas and i was called a REDART so could u explain on my forum

When we say that Dragon Age is about Thedas, we're talking about making history in Thedas. Think about real world history: A lot of it, at least a lot of what historians think is notable enough to write down and preserve for the ages, consists of stories about specific people. Marco Polo. Attilla the Hun. Jonas Salk. Ferdinand Magellan. Gregor Mendel. Joan of Arc. Human history doesn't make itself. Globes don't just get circumnavigated. Polio doesn't just disappear. Armies don't just get bored and decide to turn back. People do these things.

The entire story of our own human history isn't "The Adventures of Marco Polo." But that doesn't make him insignificant. Just the same, the entire story of the Dragon Age isn't "The Adventures of the Warden" or even "The Adventures of Hawke." They are both people who play critical roles in shaping history, and they have stories to explore.

Why do we include things like romances and friendships and pets if they don't change the fate of Thedas? Who's to say they don't? Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened. That's part of the story, just like it matters why Magellan sailed around the world, and how Gregor Mendel wound up studying peas in a monastery vegetable garden. The peas didn't change history, but they played their part in his story.

I don't recall my history teacher ever encouraging me to develop any sort of emotional attachment to Marco Pollo.  Are these the people that helped shape history?  Yes, but in the end the individual is completely irrelevant and could have been replaced with anyone when taking a long term view of world history.  Maybe these people were incredibly charismatic and intriguing, but mean absolutely nothing. 

I'd rather not think of my Warden in terms of a nameless and faceless person whose individuality is completely irrelevent. 

If that is in the end all our protagonists are to BW, and we should instead be more focused on the history of the world and the changing of the times I'd rather think a different game format would be better suited to that particular style.  Perhaps a RTS format would suffice, though then you'd be placing yourselves in direct competition with Starcraft.  Good luck with that.....

[Jonny20]

While I will miss that snarling b*tch Morrigan, I respect where the series is going and anticipate it with great hope. Hawke seems like a good chap and I look forward to learning more about Dragon Age II.

[Thepeak12]

DarthCaine wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Dude....the dev basically said. Hawke is the future of DA. accept it or move on. The warden isnt coming back. I'm done with DA....still playing origins though. Guess what happened in Origins really doesnt matter.

Anyways I'm leaving DA in the dust. Ciao.

Doesn't really matter? What's WRONG with you? Whatever happened to playing the game just for fun?

What about the hundreds of games that don't have a sequel? They don't matter?

What's wrong with him is that he is an immature little kid who is whining and complaining to get attention. He can cry about it all he wants.
He has made numerous posts about how he is through with DA and yet he keeps on repeating the same damn point. But hey, I dont think we should expect him to understand the "bigger picture" of the DA series because afterall, he is acting like a 12 year old.

[upsettingshorts]

Nozybidaj wrote...
Perhaps a RTS format would suffice, though then you'd be placing yourselves in direct competition with Starcraft.  Good luck with that.....

Heh, Starcraft, that's an RTS game for children.

Paradox Interactive's motto should be "strategy for grown ups."

/hugs Europa Universalis III Complete

Anyway, your greater point about attachment to characters is a result of the medium.  You're playing a game with a protagonist.  That doesn't mean Bioware should change its goals, though it does mean you're going to get more attached to the Warden than you might a historical figure.

Granted, I am a history buff and I'm attached to historical figures who died hundreds or even thousands of years before I was born - whose lives I had absolutely no effect on and can only learn about, so - to each his own.  (Example: Cicero is a fascinating and intriguing character.  I'd love to see someone like him in a Bioware game)

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:01 .

[Anarya]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened.

I'm gonna file that little comment away under "interesting tidbits."  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png

"him" there refers to Hawke, not the Warden. "It matters to Hawke who (out of his companions) was beside him when [event] happened".

[Saibh]

Anarya wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened.

I'm gonna file that little comment away under "interesting tidbits."  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png

"him" there refers to Hawke, not the Warden. "It matters to Hawke who (out of his companions) was beside him when [event] happened".

Yeah...? I...thought that...was the point?

What I miss? D=

[SirShreK]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Perhaps a RTS format would suffice, though then you'd be placing yourselves in direct competition with Starcraft.  Good luck with that.....

Heh, Starcraft, that's an RTS game for children.

Paradox Interactive's motto should be "strategy for grown ups."

/hugs Europa Universalis III Complete

My Total war beats your EU/Victoria anyday with keyboard tied to speakers and with only left mouse button. (so there... .. sorry can't help but act childish... )

[upsettingshorts]

Anarya wrote...
"him" there refers to Hawke, not the Warden. "It matters to Hawke who (out of his companions) was beside him when [event] happened".

Oh I know precisely that.  I'm just thinking it might have had something to do with the climax of the game, and whether or not loyalties or allegiances will come into play in such a fashion that your party will fracture.  

Just thought it was something interesting to keep in mind.

[Anarya]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

UberDuber wrote...
Guess what happened in Origins really doesnt matter.

Um, how do I put this to a teenager...

People die.  Stories end.  Relationships fall apart.  Finality and mortality are facts of life.

That doesn't cheapen them in hindsight in the least.   If Dragon Age: Origins was a great game, then its a great game.  What happens with its sequels doesn't change that.

A lot of us gamers have been playing games for years, decades now.  Did every game franchise I loved go exactly the same I wanted it to?  Of course not.  I've learned to evaluate each game on its own merits, and not let my expectations burden me, positively or negatively.

Well put and I think I've said the same thing before here. I don't see how DA2 and Hawke take anything away from Origins.

[upsettingshorts]

SirShreK wrote...
My Total war beats your EU/Victoria anyday with keyboard tied to speakers and with only left mouse button. (so there... .. sorry can't help but act childish... )

PM me if you want to continue this discussion further - as to not derail the thread - but as a fan and player of the Total War series since Shogun, lemme tell ya, I'm real sick of how dumb the TW battle AI is and how hopelessly useless the TW campaign AI is.  Still, looking forward to Shogun 2 though as Creative Assembly really knows how to push my buy buttons.

[Anarya]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Anarya wrote...
"him" there refers to Hawke, not the Warden. "It matters to Hawke who (out of his companions) was beside him when [event] happened".

Oh I know precisely that.  I'm just thinking it might have had something to do with the climax of the game, and whether or not loyalties or allegiances will come into play in such a fashion that your party will fracture.  

Just thought it was something interesting to keep in mind.

Oh I thought you were interpreting that as "the Warden will be with Hawke at the critical moment! Dev confirmation everyone!" Carry on then.

[TheMufflon]

UberDuber wrote...
Guess what happened in Origins really doesnt matter.

Yeah! This is exactly like when Lord of the Rings became meaningless because Tolkien didn't write another book about Frodo.

[Anarya]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I don't recall my history teacher ever encouraging me to develop any sort of emotional attachment to Marco Pollo.  Are these the people that helped shape history?  Yes, but in the end the individual is completely irrelevant and could have been replaced with anyone when taking a long term view of world history.  Maybe these people were incredibly charismatic and intriguing, but mean absolutely nothing. 

I'd rather not think of my Warden in terms of a nameless and faceless person whose individuality is completely irrelevent. 

If that is in the end all our protagonists are to BW, and we should instead be more focused on the history of the world and the changing of the times I'd rather think a different game format would be better suited to that particular style.  Perhaps a RTS format would suffice, though then you'd be placing yourselves in direct competition with Starcraft.  Good luck with that.....

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

[Ulicus]

The biggest loose end was the lack of a hotel as clean as an elven arse. Will there be such a hotel in DA2? Winthrop demands it.

[SirShreK]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

SirShreK wrote...
My Total war beats your EU/Victoria anyday with keyboard tied to speakers and with only left mouse button. (so there... .. sorry can't help but act childish... )

PM me if you want to continue this discussion further - as to not derail the thread - but as a fan and player of the Total War series since Shogun, lemme tell ya, I'm real sick of how dumb the TW battle AI is and how hopelessly useless the TW campaign AI is.  Still, looking forward to Shogun 2 though as Creative Assembly really knows how to push my buy buttons.

No need.. But good judgement.

Anyway. Loose ends.

I think a mystery is always a good thing.... As long someone solves it.... Even X-files had this the truth is out there thingy going on...  I mean there has to be some conclusion some time.. .Every game we buy if only hightens the tension (Even if it means I will buy the next one) would finally put me off.... There are players who play for the story you know.. Like me!

I love the story  so far except at Witch hunt where the immersion was broken by the un-neccesory crypticism of Morrigan! It was purely allowed so that the plot was remained unrevealed.... (I believe)... Which goes against the central philosophy I think many fans want: Immersion....! So yeah..... I favor the argument that Witch hunt was not nicely handeled....

I need people to think about this a bit and tell me if I am wrong in my conclusions....

[Pritos]

Anarya wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I don't recall my history teacher ever encouraging me to develop any sort of emotional attachment to Marco Pollo.  Are these the people that helped shape history?  Yes, but in the end the individual is completely irrelevant and could have been replaced with anyone when taking a long term view of world history.  Maybe these people were incredibly charismatic and intriguing, but mean absolutely nothing. 

I'd rather not think of my Warden in terms of a nameless and faceless person whose individuality is completely irrelevent. 

If that is in the end all our protagonists are to BW, and we should instead be more focused on the history of the world and the changing of the times I'd rather think a different game format would be better suited to that particular style.  Perhaps a RTS format would suffice, though then you'd be placing yourselves in direct competition with Starcraft.  Good luck with that.....

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

These people got known rigthfully because their roles couldn't have been played by anyone. Just take a look at Napoleão and Hitler,only very few people can be so persuasive, smart, and cold-blooded to do what they have done.

[Nozybidaj]

Anarya wrote...

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

Please indulge me and tell me off all the rousing tales of adventure Stalin had during WWII and how you feel personally connected to him as an indivdual or perhaps you have stories to tell of Pancho Villa and how you have come to really understand him as a human being?  Maybe you prefer tales of women in history and have interesting tidbits to share about Clara Barton and her days during the civil war and how it has effected you on an emotional level?  Need I go on?

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

[Anarya]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Anarya wrote...

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

Please indulge me and tell me off all the rousing tales of adventure Stalin had during WWII and how you feel personally connected to him as an indivdual or perhaps you have stories to tell of Pancho Villa and how you have come to really understand him as a human being?  Maybe you prefer tales of women in history and have interesting tidbits to share about Clara Barton and her days during the civil war and how it has effected you on an emotional level?  Need I go on?

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

There's an entire section of books at your local library or bookstore that do exactly that.

[SirShreK]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Anarya wrote...

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

Please indulge me and tell me off all the rousing tales of adventure Stalin had during WWII and how you feel personally connected to him as an indivdual or perhaps you have stories to tell of Pancho Villa and how you have come to really understand him as a human being?  Maybe you prefer tales of women in history and have interesting tidbits to share about Clara Barton and her days during the civil war and how it has effected you on an emotional level?  Need I go on?

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

I can derail you right now you know. One name. Jesus Christ. Second name. Albert Einstein.

These people are still affecting your life!