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[Brockololly]

Well, uh, I like the Warden and sure hope he/she comes back eventually provided there is a reason for him/her to come back. As far as DA as a whole goes, I like how Mary put it: think of DA as a franchise as going along the timeline of the Dragon Age picking out the really defining moments and events and placing the player in the shoes of the people that defined the world in those big moments. Thats cool.

In so far as the Warden goes, I think part of the issue is that since supposedly there is no "canon" in DA, for some the Warden is dead and there is no Old God Baby. So that plot is dead. But for others, their Warden is alive and kicking with OGB in tow, following Morrigan into Mirror World to do who knows what. To me,  that sounds like a nifty plot to follow in the future; one which could conceivably lead to one of those big, world changing moments that DA is supposed to be all about. And given that we've been told Morrigan, Flemeth, Hawke and the Warden are all big important people in DA, given the choices I've had my Warden make, I'd be disappointed if he didn't have any future role in DA, since it seems Morrigan will and he left right beside her.

At the end of the day, I just want to play the best damn game possible with the best damn story possible, as I'm sure everyone does. I'm sure Hawke will have an interesting story- but at the moment given the questions raised in Witch Hunt, I'd rather see that story continued before going on to something new and different with Hawke. Unless of course Hawke's story segues into the story of Morrigan and the Warden come DA3 and beyond? Hmmmm.....

[jpdipity]

I’m very attached to my 15 or so Wardens, too, but I am perfectly fine with letting some of the “loose ends” come together in later games & others being left completely unresolved and even unknown. No one knows everything. There are bound to be mysteries.



On the other hand, I’m much more attached to the general story & Thedas than any particular Warden – I’ve got 15+ Wardens that have to share my love, but only one Thedas. It was an excellent story with fabulous dialogue. By far one of the best storylines/dialogue in any game that I’ve ever played (and yes, I’ve played TW – not as good IMO).



My Warden had a profound effect on the history and the future of Thedas; so, he/she does not need to be in a new game for me to learn what happened or to see how his/her choices affected the world.



In fact, I’m much more eager to see how my Warden’s choices have affected Thedas from an external point of view like Hawke than to play as my Warden. Unfortunately, it’s all downhill from here for the Warden. I mean really – how do you top saving the world from a blight? One miracle is enough for any character. Let’s move on to bigger and better things, shall we?



As long as our choices will be recognized by future games – and we’ve been reassured of that several times already - I’m good with letting Gaider & the Bioware team work their magic.

[Nozybidaj]

[quote]Anarya wrote...

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

[/quote]

There's an entire section of books at your local library or bookstore that do exactly that.

[/quote]

/slapsforehead  Fine nevermind.  You either obviously don't get the point I was making or are deliberatley evading it for lack of an answer.  Oh well, was fun.  Thanks for entertaining me.

[sw33t nothings]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Blasto the jelly wrote...

Mister JohnEpler u said Dragon Age is about Thedas not any character. i created a thread why is romance important in Dragon age 2 if it dos'nt effect Thedas and i was called a REDART so could u explain on my forum

When we say that Dragon Age is about Thedas, we're talking about making history in Thedas. Think about real world history: A lot of it, at least a lot of what historians think is notable enough to write down and preserve for the ages, consists of stories about specific people. Marco Polo. Attilla the Hun. Jonas Salk. Ferdinand Magellan. Gregor Mendel. Joan of Arc. Human history doesn't make itself. Globes don't just get circumnavigated. Polio doesn't just disappear. Armies don't just get bored and decide to turn back. People do these things.

The entire story of our own human history isn't "The Adventures of Marco Polo." But that doesn't make him insignificant. Just the same, the entire story of the Dragon Age isn't "The Adventures of the Warden" or even "The Adventures of Hawke." They are both people who play critical roles in shaping history, and they have stories to explore.

Why do we include things like romances and friendships and pets if they don't change the fate of Thedas? Who's to say they don't? Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened. That's part of the story, just like it matters why Magellan sailed around the world, and how Gregor Mendel wound up studying peas in a monastery vegetable garden. The peas didn't change history, but they played their part in his story.

This. It's a much better wording of what I was trying to say earlier. I know with my 'main' Warden, if she hadn't loved Alistair, the rulers of Thedas, and how the blight ended would have been really, really different. And if that doesn't change the world, what does?

[jeckaldied]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Anarya wrote...

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

Please indulge me and tell me off all the rousing tales of adventure Stalin had during WWII and how you feel personally connected to him as an indivdual or perhaps you have stories to tell of Pancho Villa and how you have come to really understand him as a human being?  Maybe you prefer tales of women in history and have interesting tidbits to share about Clara Barton and her days during the civil war and how it has effected you on an emotional level?  Need I go on?

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

it is the people of history that cause me to love it so, as a history major, it isn't the events that attract me to it, its the people, the shapers of the events. I enjoy learning their quirks, their personalities. They are people, just like us, but whether it be their personalities or circumstance, they rise to become something more, and at the end of the day, wasn't that what Dragon Age was about? Oh, and sense you asked, during World War 2, multiple operatives of the agency that became the KGB had informed stalin the exact date operation barbarossa was going to begin, but, despite his extreme paranoia, and his hatred of his one time ally hitler, he refused to believe hitler would break their treaty.

[John Epler]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Anarya wrote...

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

Please indulge me and tell me off all the rousing tales of adventure Stalin had during WWII and how you feel personally connected to him as an indivdual or perhaps you have stories to tell of Pancho Villa and how you have come to really understand him as a human being?  Maybe you prefer tales of women in history and have interesting tidbits to share about Clara Barton and her days during the civil war and how it has effected you on an emotional level?  Need I go on?

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

I would argue that, in the case of narrative/creative non-fiction, you can in fact become quite attached to historical characters. If you're reading a dry, high-level account of what happened - sure, it's hard to get attached to any one character. But I don't think that's the same thing at all, nor is it what people are arguing. You can tell a tale that's 'historical' in nature and still make it interesting.

[SirShreK]

Brockololly wrote...

Well, uh, I like the Warden and sure hope he/she comes back eventually provided there is a reason for him/her to come back. As far as DA as a whole goes, I like how Mary put it: think of DA as a franchise as going along the timeline of the Dragon Age picking out the really defining moments and events and placing the player in the shoes of the people that defined the world in those big moments. Thats cool.

In so far as the Warden goes, I think part of the issue is that since supposedly there is no "canon" in DA, for some the Warden is dead and there is no Old God Baby. So that plot is dead. But for others, their Warden is alive and kicking with OGB in tow, following Morrigan into Mirror World to do who knows what. To me,  that sounds like a nifty plot to follow in the future; one which could conceivably lead to one of those big, world changing moments that DA is supposed to be all about. And given that we've been told Morrigan, Flemeth, Hawke and the Warden are all big important people in DA, given the choices I've had my Warden make, I'd be disappointed if he didn't have any future role in DA, since it seems Morrigan will and he left right beside her.

At the end of the day, I just want to play the best damn game possible with the best damn story possible, as I'm sure everyone does. I'm sure Hawke will have an interesting story- but at the moment given the questions raised in Witch Hunt, I'd rather see that story continued before going on to something new and different with Hawke. Unless of course Hawke's story segues into the story of Morrigan and the Warden come DA3 and beyond? Hmmmm.....

Prelude. Interval. Finale. Warden is Prelude. Hawke is the Interval. What is the Finale?

[Saibh]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Anarya wrote...

You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been performed by anyone.

Please indulge me and tell me off all the rousing tales of adventure Stalin had during WWII and how you feel personally connected to him as an indivdual or perhaps you have stories to tell of Pancho Villa and how you have come to really understand him as a human being?  Maybe you prefer tales of women in history and have interesting tidbits to share about Clara Barton and her days during the civil war and how it has effected you on an emotional level?  Need I go on?

Obviously I'm being rather obtuse here, but it seems there is no other way to get a point across in this forum.

I know a lot of black people that feel personally connected to MLK. Women who feel strongly about Joan of Arc, if she's ever brought up. And, when it comes to evil people doing evil things, yeah, people still hate Hitler. He's not srs bsns for everyone so much anymore, but people feel strongly about him. I think Annie Oakley is the bee's knees.

Yes, no one feels the same thing about historical figures as they did back in the day, but I also don't really care about my great-grandmother whom I never met, and I'm related. I'm not sure why you brought up the parallel in the first place.

edit: Also, SirShreK sort of beat me out--yeah, Jesus Christ. People feel strongly about that guy.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Antaress]

SirShreK wrote...


You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been 

I can derail you right now you know. One name. Jesus Christ. Second name. Albert Einstein.

These people are still affecting your life!

we really dont need to get religion get invold in this 
for many reasons

[upsettingshorts]

Mary Kirby raised a point everyone is ignoring.



Read a biography of a historical figure that interests you and guess what, you're going to develop some kind of emotional investment in their story.



Read a textbook that covers how that life changed history and you probably won't.

[Herr Uhl]

Antaress wrote...

SirShreK wrote...


You've got an interesting view of history if you think individuals don't matter and that their roles could have been 

I can derail you right now you know. One name. Jesus Christ. Second name. Albert Einstein.

These people are still affecting your life!

we really dont need to get religion get invold in this 
for many reasons

They changed life nontheless. Religious leaders are important historical persons, just as kings, explorers and scientists.

[Anarya]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Anarya wrote...

There's an entire section of books at your local library or bookstore that do exactly that.

/slapsforehead  Fine nevermind.  You either obviously don't get the point I was making or are deliberatley evading it for lack of an answer.  Oh well, was fun.  Thanks for entertaining me.

Um, I told you to go read a biography or creative nonfiction, basically, if you want to try to empathize with historical figures on a personal level. I'm not going to type a biography out for you in a forum. 

Modifié par Anarya, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:31 .

[Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens]

My only problem with the switch to Commander Hawke is that we don't find out what happened to the warden.


It's not like they have to make the warden the protagonist of every game in the series but at least tell us what happened.

The fact that the Origins story ends with LOTS of hanging plot threads is annoying.

I know that to some of you guys, the writers can do no wrong, and in regards to where they take the story you are correct. HOWEVER, they left the Origins story without an ending.

Leaving the story without an ending may be cute to some people because it lets them fill in things for themselves, but to me at least, not finding out what happens after   !!!!!!!SPOILER!!!!!   Morrigan and the Warden step through the mirror is VERY annoying.

Again, I'm not saying they have to make the Warden playable again I'm just saying they should have the decency to tell us how the Origins story ends.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morrigan and the Warden go through the mirror and....

The Warden goes to pick up Morrigan's gift and...

Morrigan gets stabbed and falls through the mirror and...


That's how the story ends. It literally just cuts off.


We DID (well most of us did) pay for the game, Bioware.

Finish the story, jeeze.

Modifié par Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:43 .

[DarthCaine]

What on earth makes you think you won't find out what happened to the Warden ?

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Morrigans God son]

David Gaider wrote...

danitza81 wrote...
The one thing that bugs me though is the possibility that I may never find out why the Warden 'vanished' as stated in the Awakening epilogue. Will we ever know?

Yes, but do not expect full answers quickly.

And, no, I will not say more than that.

That is so evil! it made me giddy.
I'm assuming that all wardens would have to fall into the same plot then. If all of them just vanished.

[kgaustad]

DanteCousland wrote...

David seems angry.

I can understand why.....thread after thread on here is a bunch of complaints.  You pour alot of yourself in your work.
If you went to work everyday and there was a whole community who could leave comments on the job your doing good or bad how would you take it?
You are not forced to but DA2 or any of the DLC's.  I have enjoyed the story for what it is and just like in books and movies there are going to be cliffhangers.  Witch Hunt piqued my interests even more for the continuation of the story.

Modifié par kgaustad, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[saruman31]

Prelude. Interval. Finale. Warden is Prelude. Hawke is the Interval. What is the Finale?

I doubt there will be only 3.

[Bryy_Miller]

UberDuber wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The hilarity in this is if there wasn't so many damn cliffhangers most people wouldn't be so damn unwilling to let go of their wardens. >_>

I'm never letting go of my warden. He is a part of me, I put my soul into him!

<_<

I will never let go....until Bioware kills him off, then I get my closure.

You really don't know what that words means.

[Ahzrei]

Mary Kirby wrote...

When we say that Dragon Age is about Thedas, we're talking about making history in Thedas. Think about real world history: A lot of it, at least a lot of what historians think is notable enough to write down and preserve for the ages, consists of stories about specific people. Marco Polo. Attilla the Hun. Jonas Salk. Ferdinand Magellan. Gregor Mendel. Joan of Arc. Human history doesn't make itself. Globes don't just get circumnavigated. Polio doesn't just disappear. Armies don't just get bored and decide to turn back. People do these things.

The entire story of our own human history isn't "The Adventures of Marco Polo." But that doesn't make him insignificant. Just the same, the entire story of the Dragon Age isn't "The Adventures of the Warden" or even "The Adventures of Hawke." They are both people who play critical roles in shaping history, and they have stories to explore.

Why do we include things like romances and friendships and pets if they don't change the fate of Thedas? Who's to say they don't? Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened. That's part of the story, just like it matters why Magellan sailed around the world, and how Gregor Mendel wound up studying peas in a monastery vegetable garden. The peas didn't change history, but they played their part in his story.

Much love. Much.

Copious amounts.

[Wulfram]

If the Warden was going to continue in the next game, I don't think they could have allowed the same amount of variation in ending as was in DA:O.

edit: not to mention that my current character must possess strange magical powers, since she has bow and shield talents.

Modifié par Wulfram, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Trophy_Hunter]

Ahzrei wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

When we say that Dragon Age is about Thedas, we're talking about making history in Thedas. Think about real world history: A lot of it, at least a lot of what historians think is notable enough to write down and preserve for the ages, consists of stories about specific people. Marco Polo. Attilla the Hun. Jonas Salk. Ferdinand Magellan. Gregor Mendel. Joan of Arc. Human history doesn't make itself. Globes don't just get circumnavigated. Polio doesn't just disappear. Armies don't just get bored and decide to turn back. People do these things.

The entire story of our own human history isn't "The Adventures of Marco Polo." But that doesn't make him insignificant. Just the same, the entire story of the Dragon Age isn't "The Adventures of the Warden" or even "The Adventures of Hawke." They are both people who play critical roles in shaping history, and they have stories to explore.

Why do we include things like romances and friendships and pets if they don't change the fate of Thedas? Who's to say they don't? Maybe your Grey Warden was only motivated to end the Blight because he or she loved Leliana. Maybe it mattered to Hawke who stood by him at the critical moment when everything happened. That's part of the story, just like it matters why Magellan sailed around the world, and how Gregor Mendel wound up studying peas in a monastery vegetable garden. The peas didn't change history, but they played their part in his story.

Much love. Much.

Copious amounts.

I completely agree with this. I think i can say from all of us, we loved the journey our warden has taken but people need to realise the history of thedas isnt about one person. Its much larger than that with many secrets! Personally I love all the cliffhangers in the game and books so far as it makes me want to peice together what i know and think about what could be coming in the future.

[Morrigans God son]

Well.......I want the warden back. Please for the love of god, don't maul me.

[Akka le Vil]

David Gaider wrote...

We could take the Warden onto a brand new adventure, sure. It'd have to be brand new, however, as the previous adventure is already done. And we'd have to come up with some way to "reset" the power level of the character again, which could involve all sorts of unpleasantness I'm sure you don't want to think about.

You'd also have to explain why and how the Warden is still alive for the people who did the ultimate sacrifice.
Or else just makes canon the ritual/Alistair/Loghain, and remove the significance of the choice made is DAO, which is something you already said (in another thread) that you will not do.
Or else making it so that we can either play the Warden or someone else in place of the Warden, and then continuity becomes a b*tch and forces either a stupendous amount of work just to get it right, or to be made very badly - and at that point, you have to wonder why you should bother to make it a sequel with the Warden if the continuity isn't being really done.

People asking constantly for the return of the Warden seems to be oblivious to the fact that THEIR choices are not the ONLY choices.

[sporky1]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Well.......I want the warden back. Please for the love of god, don't maul me.

I don't. She's likely to die soon anyway. Occasional appearances? Sure, but she's retired.

[OriginsIsBest]

sporky1 wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Well.......I want the warden back. Please for the love of god, don't maul me.

I don't. She's likely to die soon anyway. Occasional appearances? Sure, but she's retired.

How is the warden likely to die soon? I believe that he/she has 30 years to live? My warden certainly is not retired. I can't see my warden sitting in the mirror world with Morrigan rocking on a wooden chair.