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[Lord_Darkmoon]

The biggest problem I see is the Dark Ritual versus Ultimate Sacrifice.

How do you continue this storyline without alienating some fans?

Those who did the Dark Ritual want to see what happens to the God Child, whereas those who did the Ultimate Sacrifice made sure that there was no God Child.

So, if Bioware puts in the God Child into a sequel, those who did the US will feel cheated.

If Bioware decides to ignore the Dark Ritual, thos who did it will feel cheated.



Personally I did the US and I love this ending to the storyline. But I fear that this ending will not be recognized by sequels of Dragon Age so I am really thinking about not buying DA 2 until this issue has been cleared up... which is a shame as I WANT to play the game. But I also do not want to get my decisions in DA 1 undone...

[Daerog]

Lord_Darkmoon wrote...

The biggest problem I see is the Dark Ritual versus Ultimate Sacrifice.
How do you continue this storyline without alienating some fans?
Those who did the Dark Ritual want to see what happens to the God Child, whereas those who did the Ultimate Sacrifice made sure that there was no God Child.
So, if Bioware puts in the God Child into a sequel, those who did the US will feel cheated.
If Bioware decides to ignore the Dark Ritual, thos who did it will feel cheated.

Personally I did the US and I love this ending to the storyline. But I fear that this ending will not be recognized by sequels of Dragon Age so I am really thinking about not buying DA 2 until this issue has been cleared up... which is a shame as I WANT to play the game. But I also do not want to get my decisions in DA 1 undone...

Easy fix. Have a character who is the main character or a side character. Place the cliche "destiny" on the character's bio. Make the character very powerful (better as a male side character and mage). Have the person have a mysterious background (as Morrigan left the kid somewhere else), never state what the person's background really is. Leave it at that, and people can either attribute the person as the OGB or the superbaby or a freak of nature that has been brought in Thedas to perform a destiny.

Or have Morrigan get pregnant at some point, the child doesn't need to have the essence of the Old God.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 16 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Kharn-ivor]

People really get attached to their Warden, thats awsome, means Origins did its job.

But hasnt the Warden been through enough allready ? Poor guy/girl let him rest ^^



On the OPs topic, well yeah not knowing everyting sucks, but its also what makes things intressting.

Let the writers do their job, they know what they are doing and havent let us down so far

[Maconbar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Not that I don't take your point, Andrahil - but it isn't the writers' responsibility to answer every question they pose, just sayin'.

I just want to find out more about what happened to Walt.


Oops, wrong forum.

[upsettingshorts]

Maconbar wrote...
Oops, wrong forum.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT

[arathor_87]

Antaress wrote...

for me DA died too (untill i hear that warden will be back)
I really  dont care about Hawk or what ever his name is, I think lot of people lost faith in BW by taking there HERO from them, Story about Fedas? comon who cares about some dust and trees. DA without warden isnot DA anymore. We really dont want Commander Hawk  

I both agree and disagree with this post. A new characther is not bad. BUT in this situation the ending for the warden was terrible, and if they don't reuse the warden(s) I won't buy more games after DA2. If Morrigan tell the grey warden(s) that Flemeth played a big part in the blight, bigger than you realized, it would be in the interest for the warden(s) to investigate what it is, since they would do everything in their power to prevent a new blight. And since Flemeth and Morrigan plays a big part in DA, it would be freakin' weird if he just disappeared to never been seen (played) again. So I also agree with you..

[arathor_87]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Antaress wrote...

for me DA died too (untill i hear that warden will be back)
I really care about Hawk or what ever his name is, I think lot of people lost faith in BW by taking there HERO from them, Story about Fedas? comon who cares about some dust and trees. DA without warden isnot DA anymore. We really dont want Commander Hawk

Speak for yourself.
And what about those who mad the Sacrifice?

There are more Wardens in the world than him. In Awakening you can play as an orlesian warden, i'm sure they have a solution for everything: Either continue on your old one, or start a new..

[upsettingshorts]

Just to be a wet blanket... I hope they never revisit the Warden.

[arathor_87]

Antaress wrote...

if I know that my warden will be back in future
I will be the first one in line to buy DA2
they really should tell us if we see our warden again or not

I feel the same! :

But a new character is good to. I can see it from different perspectives, but I hope we will see the warden(s) again. It would be weird if he just vanished after what he/she/they been told..

Modifié par arathor_87, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:32 .

[arathor_87]

Antaress wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Antaress wrote...
I know that you want us to experianc something new but you have already created epic Hero Warden, whoes story hasnot ended and can be continued.

We could take the Warden onto a brand new adventure, sure. It'd have to be brand new, however, as the previous adventure is already done. And we'd have to come up with some way to "reset" the power level of the character again, which could involve all sorts of unpleasantness I'm sure you don't want to think about.

Or we could start a new adventure in a new land with a new hero, something that carries on a common thread between the games.

We've opted for the latter. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be.

SirShreK wrote...
Guys, that's a Yes.

Or a "we haven't decided yet". Or a "we're leaving our options open". Or a "no, but we'd rather not discuss that right now". Or a "yes, but if we told you we'd have to kill you."

If you're going to take every evasion as a confirmation, this is going to get real old, real fast.

I think it is too early to creat new hero, very lot of people are dissapointed  and I doubt DA2 will have same succses as DA:O .  Warden is world and it is warden what makes DA what it is. and now what we got? Hawk new  guy deserted his own village and left blight which is not much heroic. well ok fine let Hawk swing sword for a while. but at list give us hope that we will see our warden again
No warden
No DA  

I can't agree with the no warden no DA, but  I also want the warden to be playable again. I think a new adventure with a new charachter can bring some more depth to DA, but I also think that the wardens story can't be over after what Morrigan told about Flemeth and the blight. So I will be really disappointed if they never reused him since he/the wardens have unfinished business. But don't judge DA2 before you played it, even If i feel sad about the warden situation too..

[arathor_87]

David Gaider wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Great!!!  That's pretty much what I had always envisioned DA2 being anyway.  My Warden and his crew facing the next big threat.  Get on it!

No.

Meh, I don't think folks mind, and in fact easily accept the fact that power levels are reset in new installments.  Its a game mechnic, gamers understand that.  You don't have to kill the protagonist and rebuild him as a zombie cyborg for folks to accept the fact that they are level 1 again, in fact doing so would be rather insulting to my intelligence.

Whether or not "folks mind" is irrelevant-- there'd be just as much whining then as there is now, just from another set of folks.

Applies to the latter as much as the former.

And? All things being equal, we'll take the story in the direction we intended. Bioware is not your b*tch.

But you are EA:s ****!  Joking,,so no need to bring out the axe and killing me for this! 

[ankuu]

Omg stop with the EA ****ing. EA is a gaming company that lives from money...so is Bioware. They do produce wonderful games that i enjoy and that i would buy with my eyes closed everytime but this is not their hobby. They live from the sales their game makes so it's normal to try and do something new, something better for marketing purposes.



And those who don't even give a chance to some proper introducing to Hawke and the plot don't even deserve to call themselves fans.

[arathor_87]

Lord_Darkmoon wrote...

The biggest problem I see is the Dark Ritual versus Ultimate Sacrifice.
How do you continue this storyline without alienating some fans?
Those who did the Dark Ritual want to see what happens to the God Child, whereas those who did the Ultimate Sacrifice made sure that there was no God Child.
So, if Bioware puts in the God Child into a sequel, those who did the US will feel cheated.
If Bioware decides to ignore the Dark Ritual, thos who did it will feel cheated.

Personally I did the US and I love this ending to the storyline. But I fear that this ending will not be recognized by sequels of Dragon Age so I am really thinking about not buying DA 2 until this issue has been cleared up... which is a shame as I WANT to play the game. But I also do not want to get my decisions in DA 1 undone...

Well I have some opinions about this. The dark ritual wont be a problem, since it's not the main problem in the wardens ending. It is about Morrigans telling the warden(s) about Flemeth and that she had a bigger part in the blight than the warden(s) realized, and go tell the wardens to should be wary. And this would be in the interest of the wardens, to find out what it is. If the wardens had the chance to find out how to prevent a new blight, they wouldn't vanish, they would investigate what Flemeth had to do in all this. And this is not Hawkes adventures, it is the wardens.

The Ultimate Sacrifice shouldn't be a problem either. If you did the ultimate sacrifice, yes then your first warden will be dead anad buried. But guess what, there are more wardens in Thedas than him/her. So it wouldn't be that hard to reuse the warden concept as some of you think. Either way, you can start a new one, or if you didn't do the US you can import your old one. I think the wardens story ain't over, or at least I hope isn't.

But to bring in the godbaby would be screwing players, since everyone didn't do the dark ritual. The only way they could use the godbaby in the future would be if they make up a story, that Morrigan had sex with Sandal or something like that. Maybe thats why he killed so many darkspawn when you met him at the castle in DA:O, cause he lost his virginity?  hehe

And I just want to make this clear, no need for OMG don't judge DA2 before you have played it. Guess what, I wont!  I will play DA2 and hopefully enjoy it, but if the warden(S) wont return in the future after DA2, I'm not sure if I will play more DA games.

Modifié par arathor_87, 17 octobre 2010 - 10:31 .

[Morrigans God son]

Tbh, I think I'll hang out in these forums until DA3 comes out, and then the Warden might return. I've got no interest in Hawke and his story. I'm only interested in Flemeth and the old characters, I couldn't give a crap about Hawke's family or whatever. When I'm still trying to figure out half the unfinished stories in Origins.



I might eventually check out DA2 somewhere down the line, but I won't waste my £50/£60 on buying it, when I'm not overly interested. DA3 please hurry on! Warden for DA3 woooooooohooooooo!

[jabajack]

Depending on our Warden's choices and who survived there will be many factors impacting on Hawke and Thedas as a whole. Our Warden will most likely get mentioned to various degrees (and if we are insanely lucky an appearence) as will the policies they and the new monarch(s) have implemented.



Whilst i hope our Warden and his/her fate resolves itself to a satisfying degree i am more interested in our save game choices and if they have a big impact on the world (i'm guessing yes) and if we will see the effects both visually and through the narrative.



-The dwarves and the deep roads

-The Awakening of the darkspawn (if you let the architect live)

-Depending on your warden, if the mages of Ferelden are free of the chantry

-The new Dalish homeland (depending on your warden again) especially since the dalish are said to play a larger role?

[Iriedesa]

I agree I did both endings. and no matter what bioware dose I would feel cheated either way buttttt with the us i was heartbroken for 3 weeks. and now I won't do it. your friend Iriedesa

[Schwadragon]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Tbh, I think I'll hang out in these forums until DA3 comes out, and then the Warden might return. I've got no interest in Hawke and his story. I'm only interested in Flemeth and the old characters, I couldn't give a crap about Hawke's family or whatever. When I'm still trying to figure out half the unfinished stories in Origins.

I just don't understand this attitude. We didn't know anything more about the Warden before DA:O came out than we do about Hawke now. You came to love the Warden, so what makes you think you won't come to love Hawke?

[Felene]

Look at all that crying-babies, I love it when Mr. Gaider smash their cookies in front of them, serve them right I say. Spoil little babies.

As for the loose ends and change to Champion Hawke in DA2, I said do it.

IMO the Warden's tale is done, its time for the Warden to step out the stage and let someone else to tell the stories of Thedas for us.

If DA2 is about the Warden what are we going to play? RPG about Hero of Ferelden's retirement?

Relax on a bench at the back of Warden's castle drinking cool beer and telling past adventure stories to new Grey Warden recruits? No, seriously.

I would love to see the world of Thedas in another person's point of view. Go to new places, meet new friends, make new decisions, and see what the Warden's choice have impact on Thedas.

I am not saying DA:O is a bad game, I spend 600+hours playing as the Warden.

Its just is time for the franchise to move on, keep playing the Warden is too narrow for the bright future this excellent series can have.

(Stop your whinges, time to grow up!)

Modifié par Felene, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:40 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

The only problem with having lots and lots of loose ends in a game, with more being added by DLC and future games, is that eventually the money/desire/ordersonhigh to complete a series will run out. Then you'd just be left with a convoluted mess that didn't really go anywhere. Or one last rushed game with too many loose ends to tie up... which never comes across well.



Don't mind me.

[TheMufflon]

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

The only problem with having lots and lots of loose ends in a game, with more being added by DLC and future games, is that eventually the money/desire/ordersonhigh to complete a series will run out. Then you'd just be left with a convoluted mess that didn't really go anywhere.

And then you go for a cop-out finale in which it turns out everyone had been dead for two seasons and that Jack's dad was god.

[Meltemph]

 

And then you go for a cop-out finale in which it turns out everyone had been dead for two seasons and that Jack's dad was god.

You just didn't understand!!!!!!  

[UberDuber]

Schwadragon wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Tbh, I think I'll hang out in these forums until DA3 comes out, and then the Warden might return. I've got no interest in Hawke and his story. I'm only interested in Flemeth and the old characters, I couldn't give a crap about Hawke's family or whatever. When I'm still trying to figure out half the unfinished stories in Origins.

I just don't understand this attitude. We didn't know anything more about the Warden before DA:O came out than we do about Hawke now. You came to love the Warden, so what makes you think you won't come to love Hawke?

The main reason is because he is voiced. No race, Origins, stupid combat. Meeting old companions not as the warden. So it's like a clean slate all over again.

[AndrahilAdrian]

I don't mind playing as Hawke; I actually think its for the best, since some player's wardens died at the end of Origins. What I object to is the sheer number of loose ends, perticularly in witch hunt, that Bioware has failed to tie up before moving on to the next chapter.