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loose ends in the Dragon Age franchise (spoilers, naturally)


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#101
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I want bite david gaider LOL

too much hype around the morrigans story but its ok i love that part!

I like the way of their tell us storyes...

I Hope DA2 will be a great story too

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The storytelling is one of Bioware's greatest advantages over other devs in the business. They can weave a plot through many twists and iterations, but always return to the main subject of interest, all while tying up the loose ends created by the innumerable side quests and sub plots.

Great Job!

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Monica83 wrote...

I want bite david gaider LOL
too much hype around the morrigans story but its ok i love that part!
I like the way of their tell us storyes...
I Hope DA2 will be a great story too


Yes good thinking Monica, if we consume Gaider's heart then we will not only gain his power, but we will also absorb all of his knowledge of Dragon Age.

Unfourtunately he needs his heart to pump blood and write and stuff.

hmm.

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David Gaider wrote...
Maybe in the end some people won't be happy after all-- in fact I guarantee you there'll be some, and they'll race to the internet to quickly register their disapproval


What evil plan are you concocting now :D?

#105
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David Gaider wrote...

Morroian wrote...
What was the story of DAO? Stopping the
blight. Is this done? Yes. Bioware are working on a large canvas, a
story analogous to series like A Song of Ice and Fire, Wheel of Time or
Malazan: Book of the Fallen. Such large stories use multiple characters
and locations.


I would say this is true. Not the direct comparison to those stories, of course, but more the large canvas part. Naturally someone's only going to react to the little corner of it they can see now, but that's fine. Maybe in the end some people won't be happy after all-- in fact I guarantee you there'll be some, and they'll race to the internet to quickly register their disapproval-- but we'll get there in our own time, and it will be good.

But will anyone understand our brilliance? OUR BRILLIANCE, I TELL YOU!

...ahem. Probably not. :D


I just wanna know if we're gonna play as the Warden again.

I'm in that group of people that really doesn't care for the whole Hawke super-awesome protagonist idea but I'll play anyway just cause I  DO want to see where you guys are going with the whole story.


Just, for the present time, I'm interested in whether the character I created in Dragon Age Origins will see a return or if that character is done.

Or maybe you guys aren't to the point where you know for certain whether or not you want to do something else with the Warden?

Can a loyal fan get some kind of answer to this question? :alien:

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No matter how unhappy you are about the ending (I liked it), you should at least take some solace in the fact that you didn't get an ending like that of The Sopranos. Oops, now I have a mental image of Sten singing Don't Stop Believin'' - doh.

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Just don't fall into the trap that the Lost writers fell into, Gaider. Don't build up this awesome story and awesome world with no ending in mind. If you do, you wind up with pseudo-religious nonsense and tearful hugging.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

No matter how unhappy you are about the ending (I liked it), you should at least take some solace in the fact that you didn't get an ending like that of The Sopranos. Oops, now I have a mental image of Sten singing Don't Stop Believin'' - doh.


I think they set up a return of Morrigan, probably in D3. You know they will be addressing the child. I believe the child and Morrigan are in an elven realm, either populated by the elven gods or evacuee's of Arlanthan. Change, people, change is coming she said.

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Sorry DA2 DLC morrigan returns....becomes the set up for the god child in DA3.

Morrigan finally dies in the DLC.


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David Gaider wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...
I prefer stories that are self-contained.

Tough. I prefer stories that leave the player still wanting more.


I fia lto see how one exculed another.
There's plenty of stories that were self-contained and complete, yet I wanted MHOAR.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...
I prefer stories that are self-contained.

Tough. I prefer stories that leave the player still wanting more.


I fia lto see how one exculed another.
There's plenty of stories that were self-contained and complete, yet I wanted MHOAR.


I think he means more in a sense of just leaving you hanging and not more as in you can't get enough.

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AndrahilAdrian wrote...

 Loose ends and cliff hangers are ,in my opinion, a cheapo way to hype future installments. I prefer stories that are self-contained. I am seeking assurance from Bioware that they have planned out the entire series with a cohesive narrative, and are not making it up as they go along. Then we will know that they know what they're doing. I am also seeking reassurance that Dragon Age 2 will not continue this disturbing trend, and that the many loose ends from previous games will be tied up quickly. They really are the only gripe I have with this otherwise fantastic franchise.


You're a fool if you think that mystery has no further purpose than hype in storytelling. As far as mystery = not knowing what is going on.... please. 

That is all.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:28 .


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Methniks people aren't miffed because of cliffhangers...they're miffed because they were promissed answers and didn't get them. Blame the marketing department..



Seriously, who the heck trusts the marketing these days anyway?

You got your hopes up too much when you bought Which Hunt.

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I am all for cliffhangers or 'stories that leave the player still wanting more'.



The one thing that bugs me though is the possibility that I may never find out why the Warden 'vanished' as stated in the Awakening epilogue. Will we ever know?

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double post... sorry about that

Modifié par danitza81, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:44 .


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David Gaider wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...
I prefer stories that are self-contained.

Tough. I prefer stories that leave the player still wanting more.

I am seeking assurance from Bioware that they have planned out the entire series with a cohesive narrative, and are not making it up as they go along.

We're not making it up as we go along. Except for the parts where we are, of course, but we have a Master Plan (if that's what you're asking). Whether that translates into "will all my questions be answered?" the answer-- very clearly-- is "maybe". But I wouldn't hold your breath or anything. That would be ill-advised.


I like cliffhangers and understand how they can and do draw people back... if they're done right. The Witch Hunt cliffhanger was NOT done right. Why? We got the same information that we got in Origins, the same cliffhanger.. again.

Origins- Morrigan is going to have a child with the spirit of an Old God in order to do.. something mysterious. Excellent cliffhanger, had me starving for resolution.
Witch Hunt- Morrigan had the child and is hiding him while preparing to do... something mysterious. See my problem there? It's the SAME INFORMATION. It's no longer organically mysterious and interesting, now it just feels forced.

We learned next to nothing new. This DLC was advertised as actually bringing some resolution, but it didn't give us that. Cliffhangers can be overdone, and I think this one has just crossed the 'no longer care' mark for me. Considering Dragon Age is largely based on the Song of Ice and Fire series, I shouldn't be surprised by this. George R. R. Martin has a habit of overuse of cliffhanger endings*.


*Though I thank Bioware for not taking ten years to resolve them, like he does.

#117
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I like the fact they keep us wanting more. Hell I'm perfectly happy with WH being the end of my Warden's story. Be it at this time, or period. He got what he wanted which was to be with the woman he loves more then anything else. If I see him again someday great. If not I'm still happy.

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Everwarden wrote...
I like cliffhangers and understand how they can and do draw people back... if they're done right. The Witch Hunt cliffhanger was NOT done right. Why? We got the same information that we got in Origins, the same cliffhanger.. again.

Origins- Morrigan is going to have a child with the spirit of an Old God in order to do.. something mysterious. Excellent cliffhanger, had me starving for resolution.
Witch Hunt- Morrigan had the child and is hiding him while preparing to do... something mysterious. See my problem there? It's the SAME INFORMATION. It's no longer organically mysterious and interesting, now it just feels forced.

We learned next to nothing new. This DLC was advertised as actually bringing some resolution, but it didn't give us that. Cliffhangers can be overdone, and I think this one has just crossed the 'no longer care' mark for me. Considering Dragon Age is largely based on the Song of Ice and Fire series, I shouldn't be surprised by this. George R. R. Martin has a habit of overuse of cliffhanger endings*.


*Though I thank Bioware for not taking ten years to resolve them, like he does.


This, Bioware. This.


smh

#119
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Everwarden wrote...

I like cliffhangers and understand how they can and do draw people back... if they're done right. The Witch Hunt cliffhanger was NOT done right. Why? We got the same information that we got in Origins, the same cliffhanger.. again.

Origins- Morrigan is going to have a child with the spirit of an Old God in order to do.. something mysterious. Excellent cliffhanger, had me starving for resolution.
Witch Hunt- Morrigan had the child and is hiding him while preparing to do... something mysterious. See my problem there? It's the SAME INFORMATION. It's no longer organically mysterious and interesting, now it just feels forced.

We learned next to nothing new. This DLC was advertised as actually bringing some resolution, but it didn't give us that. Cliffhangers can be overdone, and I think this one has just crossed the 'no longer care' mark for me. Considering Dragon Age is largely based on the Song of Ice and Fire series, I shouldn't be surprised by this. George R. R. Martin has a habit of overuse of cliffhanger endings*.


*Though I thank Bioware for not taking ten years to resolve them, like he does.


Well, unless Bioware pull another KoTOR on us. Then it will be around 10 years to resolve things.

I was going to comment more, but you've pretty much nailed it. Answering nothing, when it's not even sure when we'll see Morrigan or the Warden again (2013 for DA3?), is a sure fire way to ****** people off. It also raises the depressing possibility that no one at Bioware yet knows the roll Morrigan's god baby will play eventually.

Did I want all the questions answered? No. Did I want some answered, or at least some more information? Yes. Leaving players with the same level of information they had before, despite playing a DLC explicitly marketed as 'Answering the questions you have' is pretty poor, and sadly what I've come to expect from Dragon Age DLC.

#120
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Everwarden wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

AndrahilAdrian wrote...
I prefer stories that are self-contained.

Tough. I prefer stories that leave the player still wanting more.

I am seeking assurance from Bioware that they have planned out the entire series with a cohesive narrative, and are not making it up as they go along.

We're not making it up as we go along. Except for the parts where we are, of course, but we have a Master Plan (if that's what you're asking). Whether that translates into "will all my questions be answered?" the answer-- very clearly-- is "maybe". But I wouldn't hold your breath or anything. That would be ill-advised.


I like cliffhangers and understand how they can and do draw people back... if they're done right. The Witch Hunt cliffhanger was NOT done right. Why? We got the same information that we got in Origins, the same cliffhanger.. again.

Origins- Morrigan is going to have a child with the spirit of an Old God in order to do.. something mysterious. Excellent cliffhanger, had me starving for resolution.
Witch Hunt- Morrigan had the child and is hiding him while preparing to do... something mysterious. See my problem there? It's the SAME INFORMATION. It's no longer organically mysterious and interesting, now it just feels forced.

We learned next to nothing new. This DLC was advertised as actually bringing some resolution, but it didn't give us that. Cliffhangers can be overdone, and I think this one has just crossed the 'no longer care' mark for me. Considering Dragon Age is largely based on the Song of Ice and Fire series, I shouldn't be surprised by this. George R. R. Martin has a habit of overuse of cliffhanger endings*.


*Though I thank Bioware for not taking ten years to resolve them, like he does.


So will A Dance for Dragons come out before the end of Dragon Age.

#121
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David Gaider wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...
After seeing how all the Bioware staff have avoided the Nug Bombs question, I'm starting to wonder WHY.


Because our tolerance for silliness is restricted to silliness of our own creation.

Morroian wrote...
What was the story of DAO? Stopping the
blight. Is this done? Yes. Bioware are working on a large canvas, a
story analogous to series like A Song of Ice and Fire, Wheel of Time or
Malazan: Book of the Fallen. Such large stories use multiple characters
and locations.


I would say this is true. Not the direct comparison to those stories, of course, but more the large canvas part. Naturally someone's only going to react to the little corner of it they can see now, but that's fine. Maybe in the end some people won't be happy after all-- in fact I guarantee you there'll be some, and they'll race to the internet to quickly register their disapproval-- but we'll get there in our own time, and it will be good.

But will anyone understand our brilliance? OUR BRILLIANCE, I TELL YOU!

...ahem. Probably not. :D



Sadly, people are much quicker to register dissaproval than to acknowledge brilliance.

#122
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Their also really quick to complain if they don't like something their told or see.

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WH ending is like :? . The only was to find out about Morrigan in DA2 is Flemeth mentioning her.

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Viva la France wrote...

I can't wait til DA3 and everyone is like "Your breaking Hawke's Story!" lol


DA revolves around Morrigan and Flemeth.

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I think the writers always have a general idea of what it's going to happen...but it's not like they are going to plan in detail everything. J. K. Rowling didn't know EXACTLY what she's gonna write in so many books, i am sure.



And "What mage would get an owl as a pet?" - that was hilarious! Whoever came with the idea, congrats :D