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[Rockworm503]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

1 - No one

2 - Miranda

3 - Miranda

4 - Miranda

LOTSB made me sick of Liara. because the way Bioware basically muted your ME 2 squad mate during the whole Liara and Shepard chit chat during battle. and the whole thing about Liara running her mouth about my LI Miranda.

you again eh? you really don't quit...

  


you asked the question and you got my answer. it would have been fine if Liara was treated like all the others in ME 2 but no Bioware basically gave special treatment to her and made the whole mission seem like any ME 2 squad member with you in LOTSB  is being ignored. and you think that some of us ME 2 fans are not pissed hell yeah we are. and on top of that Mass Effect 2 characters better start getting their own dlc this sh*t about ME 1 characters needs to end.  

As I love a good, clean argument I'll chime in. Also I'm glad your capable of civilized discussion. First of all, you are entitled to nothing. If you haden't noticed, ME2 is catering to every ME2 sqaudmember which makes me understand you're being both a hypocrit and jealous at the same time. You are simply butthurt (for lack of more accurate term) that Liara is protrayed so well and obviously you feel intimidate regarding your favorite character.

well check this out, we ME1 LI fans have suffered through similar things without crying like you ever since the game came out, so suck it up, sit in your corner and just be patient and you just might get something relating to the ME2 characters. Going around troliing and crying about is actually hurting your cause. Being I'm a nice guy I am making you aware of that. You will only hurt your desires by trolling and making a fool of yourself. Liara is one the best characters in the game and arguably the best. Yeah I said it, what will you do cry about that or just be in love with your favorite character and let it go. We have been through Tali fandom hell and just sucked it up and took what BioWare gave us with the vanilla ME2 game regarding ME1 LIs and some of us are still suffering through it (VS LIs) so you need to just chill and stop being a big baby.

That's serious and real for you.

  


Oh my god you suffered please you Mass Effect 1 fans have been b*tching and crying even before Mass Effect 2 came out. so you can stop with the suffering garbage . you ME 1 always was  talking about oh how they ripped the rpg elements from the game and went for a more shooter type game. then the worse thing was crying like babies over poor Liara being a bit player in ME 2.  if anything its us Mass Effect 2 fans that have suffered because we had to listen to you ME 1 b*tch about the game and poor Liara. well guess what you got your Liara fan service in the form of a dlc. you should be happy. well any one from ME 1 should have been a bit player in ME 2.  we all know Bioware will bend over and bow down and kiss you ME 1 fans butts. they better start doing the same for us ME 2 fans and our favorite characters. Liara was nothing but a bit player and in the dlc she is just a b*tch 

LOL Irony doesn't get better than this.

[ObserverStatus]

If you dump your ME2 LI for Liara in the DLC, do they have anything to say about it?

[Zan51]

Main FemShep

1. Who did you first go for in ME1
A) Kaidan.

2. Who did you go for in ME2 (if not remaining loyal to ME1 LI)
A) Remained loyal to Kaidan. Jacob as a LI just really turned me off - he is so rude to my friends like Tali, and then to Thane when he's recruited. One minute he's all punctilious with his salutes and "Yes, ma'am" the next he is being disrespectful in front of his leader! Not good for morale, and really annoyed me.

3. Post LotSB, who have you chosen? or remained faithful to?
A) Kaidan.

Lastly

4. If the LotSB changed you to prefer Liara, why? specifics please.

A) Being female and not wanting to do fem/fem LI, I didn't feel romantic to Liara. I found her cute and vulnerable in ME1, and loved her awkwardness when chatting to me as FemShep - all that dialogue about wanting to study me had me in hysterics, in a good way. But having said that, her character was fleshed out so well in LotSB that she is definitely now the most developed character in game, far more than Shepard.

You can see a great deaql of character growth I didn't expect in a game, and was really impressed to find. I may now even try to make a MaleShep and play him up through ME1/ME2 just to romance Liara.

5. If you romanced no one initially, did you decide to go for Liara after the LotSB?

A) well, as I said above, it is certainly the LotSB that has made me appreciate her more. To be honest, I really only like Liara, Tali and Kasumi a lot. They are different in a girl next door way, each with their own defining characteristics.The rest of the women seem distant, like Samara, or just too chaotic for me, like Jack. I like her on my team, don't get me wrong. Miranda, meh, she is colorless, a stereotype, as is Samara. And I am speaking here as a writer.

But the way Bioware have crafted Liara now, is fantastic. She really comes alive for me as a real person now - such a pity she has such a limited dialogue after the DLC. Wouldn't have hurt to make her say, "Shepard, good to see you, but I am busy digging up some information for you.." or something similar, and look busy, not stand like a statue watching me.

Modifié par Zan51, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Estelindis]

1. Kaidan

2. No one (loyal to Kaidan)

3. Still loyal to Kaidan

4. LotSB won't change my Shep from loving Kaidan to loving Liara (I mean romantically; she loves Liara as a friend), but *I* personally now feel that Liara's is the best romance in the Mass Effect series so far.

5. Doesn't apply...  But I may go back to ME1, start up a new Shepard, and romance Liara just because of this DLC.

Modifié par Estelindis, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:55 .

[Snowraptor]

sory to say this but i romance more than one character, so i cant answer this, but if i could it would be liara and tali, sick of ****ing humans... no offence to those that romanced cough humans cough

[Midnight_Thirty]

1. Ashley.....not into the Alien mating scene just yet



2. Miranda..... Rejected by Samara but after seeing how Liara matured in ME2 (pre LotSB) and how sexy an asari can be (thanks in large part to Samara) I was pulled towards Liara, so then..............



my next character went after Liara in ME1 and kept mostly true in ME2 , with Kelly having "dinner" and a wild hookup with Jack (hey, Renegade Shepard was lonely and he didn't really "start" a new relationship, although the Jack hookup was mentioned by Liara).



I was very pleased with LotSB continuation of the Liara romance, and it has definitely swayed my attention in the direction of the Asari.



Maturity attracted me towards Liara pre-LotSB, and post-LotSB I'm definitely on her bandwagon.......

[MrnDvlDg161]

I found it a bit entertianing to roll through some of the posts that suggested they couldn't wait for their Shepard to make a B-line to their ME2 Li --- and then find a way to push them through the air lock before anyone on their SR2 noticed that they've been spaced for a Liara/Shepard union because of the DLC.  lol.  C'mon --- how funny is that?  

" Oh (Miranda, Tali, Jack )...you are...uhhh... your nothing. Go away. Out. Split --- I have work to do..." 

( An hour later) 


"...so...Liara...how you doin..."    ( 70's music starts to play in the background).


It looks like the Love Ship is a cooooold cooooold place in the ME world! 


It would be interesting to see the flash mob suddenly rip off their  Pro-Liara T-Shirts and pointy hats and balloons for Ashley/Kaiden if they made a DLC for them that was equal in its quality? I would wager to say that the same pheonomena would happen.  In the end this Soap Opera stuff that has made countless boards locked down and some members literealy thrown out due to their  Fan Boy/ Fan Girlism was all for naught at the end of the day as the schemes started to roll in with thoughts like...

" Gee I wonder how I can kill/cheat on my li! Woo Hoo!  Blue Heaven --- here I come!"   

I sense some internal fan jelousey.  They saw a  Pro-Liara fan service provided by Bio Ware which was very well done and made them like the characters.... and now their waiting for their own piece of  ME Fillet Minion.


In this case, I donno... if I were the Dev... I would have released a  2-fer for both.  Lair of the Shadow Broker and what ever else the name would be for the  Ashley/Kaiden senario...and the reason why I say that is because it almost proves at the moment that ME1 did indeed force Liara on the player to choose her for the plot.

I myself thought they did so... there was far more ways to kill the route to Ashley than Liara in ME1.

I just don't think its worth this in-fighting at the end of the day seeming how folks jumped ship so fast.

Interesting observation however.

[1490]

I have two "main" Shepards: a male and female.



1. Manshep: Ashley, Femshep: Liara



2. Manshep: Tali, Femshep: (stayed "loyal")



3.Manshep: switched to Tali after bad reaction from Ashley on Horizon. Femshep: waited for Liara



4. LotSB didn't change who I chose to romance, but it did give me a much better impression of Liara and made me like her more as a character.



I don't consider finding new relationships in ME 2 to be "cheating." With Liara, it's been two years and you've pretty much been broken up by default. I tried the ending where you reject her also and she takes it really well, very maturely (I was expecting you to get 500 renegade points and for the game to paint you as a total bastard, so it's good that didn't happen). Furthermore, Kaiden/Ashley pretty much dumped you on Horizon: if they didn't say it in words, they sure said it in actions. In reality, ME 1 relationships have been ended, and in the case of LotSB are being "rekindled" rather than "continued," so I don't perceive it as cheating if your Shepard has found a new relationship in ME 2.

[MrnDvlDg161]

1. Who did you first go for in ME1

I started with Ashley --- and I made a choice that storywise, the flow of the plot favored your character to take Liara as a relationship because of the shared mind " melds" and the way the subject of  Alien speices/diversity was continious throughout the game.

Plus I found that it was a lot more easier to cut the cord to the Ashley story branch than it was for Liara because Liara kept becomming an attachment to all the Protheon experinces and the whole Asari " Destiny" sub-plot with Shepard.

2. Who did you go for in ME2 (if not remaining loyal to ME1 LI)

I'm going to make a guess that a lot of people aside from the really die hard fans were turned really, really, really off in a very harsh manner after the Horizen meet between their Ash/Kaiden character. The expecation was high for something way different than what we got --- I wanted a few Renegade Triggers that told them off.  The next gut punch was cold Liara.  So you got 2 black eyes from the ME1 to ME2 progress! 

So what does a Shepard do in a situation like this?  He takes someone else at some point.  


In this case there are  2  Shepards Soilder saves.    Miranda and Tali.  Made sense to me in both cases.

3. Post LotSB, who have you chosen? or remained faithful to?

I think this question is void because if many players were like me, you simply had multiple saves to see how it pans out.

Lastly

4. If the LotSB changed you to prefer Liara, why? specifics please.

5. If you romanced no one initially, did you decide to go for Liara after the LotSB?

BioWare
has done a wonderful job on the story of the LotSB and I just want to
see who regrets cheating and who still wants to stick with their initial
romance.

This last part is interesting because LOTSB was indeed well done... but I have to ask the question as to what would happen if the fans of  Ashley/Kaiden had their own well done DLC as well?  Its  unfair to ask someone whether they changed their mind from the previous decisions because of a new and improved story branch that added to the game.  I mean what if  someone wrote an even more intriguing story with a better plot and more action for say... Ashley or who ever else... then what?!  You'd be chasing the bandwagon bus from the Citadel to Dark Space.

All in all --- LOTSB was a well done product and a great addition to the game.... and on the flip side, we must also come to another conclusion in my view that it was indeed a  Fan Service move as well, probably based on fan feedback or what not... and that side of the ME Fan Base got theirs.... but what about the rest of the group that is waiting for their own say... peice of the pie?

[Mythrantar]

What I find interesting is that pursuing to get back into a romance with Liara does not seem to invalidate a romance you might have with a ME2, although the dialog with Liara implies that it's over.



For example, my Shep can still call Miranda to his cabin, and Miranda's dialog is the one when he is in romance with her. Glitch, or something else?

[MrnDvlDg161]

Mythrantar wrote...

What I find interesting is that pursuing to get back into a romance with Liara does not seem to invalidate a romance you might have with a ME2, although the dialog with Liara implies that it's over.

For example, my Shep can still call Miranda to his cabin, and Miranda's dialog is the one when he is in romance with her. Glitch, or something else?

For that matter, Kelly Chambers keeps comming back too --- which is also funny.

Its pretty difficult to keep the various branches of who did what with who --- and have that added conent reflect those personal decisions. I think their not glitches so to speak --- its just going to have to be the way it is until ME3 lol.

[Zan Mura]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

1. Who did you first go for in ME1

Liara. She was too meek and girly tbh, but Ashley was straight and human (just too ordinary when there's an exotic alien available), which when I typically play female protagonists and prefer non-humans, was a problem.

2. Who did you go for in ME2 (if not remaining loyal to ME1 LI)

Kelly / Thane. Thane was actually great, I typically don't like doing straight romances with a female toon mainly because the guys are such sissies. But Thane had charisma, he commanded power and respect. I genuinely liked his character a lot. The new Garrus too but there's a limit to how often I have time to play, so I never got there. But in this last New Game+ from ME2, I chose to romance no-one with the same toon who had romanced Liara. Which was convenient what with the arrival of LotSB.

3. Post LotSB, who have you chosen? or remained faithful to?

For ME3? Liara. But I plan to get another save with my male shep with Miri.

4. If the LotSB changed you to prefer Liara, why? specifics please.

Specifics? Oh, you shouldn't have told me that...

It didn't change the ultimate conclusion, in that Liara was the first choice and as far as my character was concerned, she still had feelings for her. But out of character I must admit I was doubtful as to how you would be allowed to even continue that relationship to begin with. Namely, if the devs basically kill the ME1 romance and offer only other LI's in ME2 and 3, then there's really no choice but to remain alone and miss out on a big portion of the story, or to dump the ME1 LI and move on. What LotSB did was reinforce my belief in that my toon did NOT have to remain single and lonely after all.

However, what LotSB did do, is that it changed Liara from the "only viable choice" to "a goddamn obvious, great and magnificent choice" instead. Why? In ME Liara was interesting and funny in her own meek, girly way. But she was inexperienced, and came off as too weak of a personality. Too insecure, too unsure of herself, too dependent on others emotionally. Then ME2 made her into a cold, cruel **** what seemed like. No assumptions made of course, but that's how she came off as. I knew it wasn't that simple, but the original ME2 really did create a whole plethora of questions that went unanswered as to her new personality.

And then came LotSB. With the incredibly well-written banter and dialogue, more answers to those questions I could've ever hoped for, and sensitive, realistic and mature scenes that continued the romance the way it was always supposed to continue. They filled the blank holes in the story and her personality. Now, that meek and insecure girl has evolved into a strong, respectable woman. A woman with a seemingly hard exterior, but still that soft interior reserved for Shepard. A woman that is touched by life's experiences and is no longer naivé, but in fact a little scarred even where her emotions are concerned. Which makes her real, it makes her something you can relate to.

With LotSB, Liara didn't really change, her base personality is the same. She has grown, been more fleshed out and become more experienced with life. And this whole chain of events from ME1 to ME2 and now LotSB fleshed her out to the point where she's among the most interesting LI's BW has created. There's no damn way I'd drop Liara for anyone else now.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[Permutation]

ExtremeOne. Let me just make this clear. You suck.



And no, the other squadmate wasn't ignored, and no, Liara didn't receive any "special" treatment. The plot behind the mission was to track down the Shadow Broker, something Liara had been doing for 2 years prior. This was established in the game long before the DLC. Actually, it was established in the books before the game even released. That she is not only important to the squad but also the story behind the DLC should not be a surprise. No one was "ignored" or received special treatment.

[DarthCaine]

I romanced Liara in ME1, then Jack in ME2.

In LOTSB I kissed Liara, but then told her "just to be friends". So I'm in the clear.



I suppose if you have a ME2 romance and still slept with Liara it would be considered "cheating" and might have negative consequences in ME3

[Permutation]

Sorry for any formatting issues by the way. Posting from my phone.

[alarson83]

Im confused... i did all the lotsb stuff, brought liara up to the room.. but didnt get any indication about getting back into relationship with her (i went with miranda in ME2). Just a ... "come back soon". Whatd i miss?

[Gibb_Shepard]

1. Ash, Liara seemed boring in ME1



2. Tali



3. Liara, and remained faithful to Liara. She is now my favourite LI and there is no way i can romance anyone else in the game.



Lastly



4. Yes greatly. I found her quite broing in ME1, and only romance her because it fit in well with redemption and i heard about the DLC. Now After the DLC she is my canon LI for my main shep, her character development was great and the reasons i didn't like her were solved. I now prefer her greatly over tali, which is saying something.

[eriaa]

wait...you asked

5. If you romanced no one initially, did you decide to go for Liara after the LotSB?

so...does this mean you can romance Liara if you had no LI in ME1 or 2? Please explain?

I think she was very well done this time around...and after reading the comic, it makes even more sense. I have many playthroghts from ME1...my first ME2 pt...I cheated on Liara with Tali...and on that pt, I did not get back with Liara...I am sure I will do it all ways tho....stay true to her through ME2, and get back with her after hooking up with someone...I want to see all outcomes.

[Denzoh]

MaleShep

1) Liara - Seemed intresting with the potential trilogy-leaks that were shared at the moment.

2) None, stayed loyal to Liara simply because of the facts that ME3 were in development and that your actions would have consequences.

3) Still Liara.

4) No change as I kept Liara, but she's gotten more intresting and real in my eyes since ME2 and LotSB.

In ME1 she was very childish compared to everyone else (incl non-romance options), and after loosing Shepard (Who she bonded with in my Playthru) she mourned him for aprox 2 years time. When he then showed up, alive and apparently well, she was taken back.
- I do not know the facts or ways that a Relation holds over an Asari, but apparently she was much more affected then your average Human. -
Her demeanor and actions changed greatly in her ME2 shape, which I credit/base upon both the Illium-Fact (Seen and Watched at all times) and that she had mourned him for 2 years time, in a much deeper way that an average Human does.
With LotSB, she still showed great care and intrest in Shepard, but wanting to change her act and way herselfs, and not be someone that always has to lean onto Shepard. She wishes to help him, be the pillar and support that He might need against the Reapers.
Liara's affection to Shepard feels true, but it's filled with bittersweet moments and hints. It's -not- a Disney Lovestory, it's much more a living and real-life Lovestory, and that makes it so much enjoyable in my eyes.

The talks in the Car-Chase, as well as the Paragon-Interruptions post-Car chase, all felt alive and true.
Liara states that Shepard will toss himself into the fray when the Reapers comes, and somewhat blames him for it. But Liara also tosses herself into the fray, searching for Shepards body, following Tela Vasir in the compound, and holds little to no regards for Sekat's (her informant) health.
They are both so similar now since LotSB, they both have a goal to aim for, a cause. Post-LotSB her cause will seemingly be to safeguard Shepard to the full extent of her abilities as the SB.

If nothing else I hope that BioWare gives us a fighting chance to keep Shepard and Liara together in ME3.
I ask for a fighting chance, so that it actually gives and creates some meaning to their relation and post-life, and not a happily-ever-after romance that you see in Disney's work which is soooo cheesy and cheap.

[Zan Mura]

If nothing else I hope that BioWare gives us a fighting chance to keep Shepard and Liara together in ME3.
I ask for a fighting chance, so that it actually gives and creates some meaning to their relation and post-life, and not a happily-ever-after romance that you see in Disney's work which is soooo cheesy and cheap.

While most of what you said was exactly how I felt, here I must disagree. What I absolutely require is a happily ever after. Of course it's gonna be a long and hard road to get there, something you have to fight for to receive... but once the reapers are taken care of, once you've handled yourself in a similar manner as in ME2 where you really do have to work for it to actually survive the end nevermind survive it with minimal losses, then Shepard and Liara deserve a happily ever after. Especially now due to the duration of the romance and the events and feelings of LotSB, the LAST thing I want to see in the end of ME3 is some DAO style epilogue along the lines of "they lived together for at time, but eventually drifted apart" or whatever. There's no goddamn way that's gonna happen to my Shep and Liara. 

Point being, Shepard and Liara have the chance to be the greatest, most enduring and detailed, longest-span romance ever created in a videogame. Something truly memorable. And I want that, I really do. If avoiding the "gotcha!" moments is important as the devs said during the development of DAO, then ruining this romance here to whatever excuse of killing off Liara or Shep, or just ruining their bond for each other during ME3 would be the greatest and most destructive "gotcha!" ever made. Slightly melodramatic here, I know, but you get the point I'm sure. That would be like 3 games worth of emotional bonding, effort and hope, flushed down the drain.

It's a shame that the same effort at least for now has not gone into the Ashley / Kaidan romance thing, and especially what with almost any toon save for liara being potentially dead for ME3 as well, it speaks for grim chances for the ME2 romance fans (with the exception of Miri who can't die as I understand it) too. Liara is the only character since ME1 that is popular AND cannot die, so it makes sense to put effort into her character. But With the almost dozen romance options for ME2, I really can't see them playing a major role in ME3. I would hope they do, but the realities of budget and time being what they are, it does not seem likely.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:45 .

[Caihn]

 1. Who did you first go for in ME1

NO ONE

2. Who did you go for in ME2

MIRANDA

3. Post LotSB, who have you chosen? or remained faithful to?

MIRANDA :  


4. If the LotSB changed you to prefer Liara, why? specifics please. 

5. If you romanced no one initially, did you decide to go for Liara after the LotSB?

NO

[Prince of Kemet]

epoch_ wrote...

1. Ashley

2. Ashley

3. Ashley

4. I'm actually going to do a liara playthrough. The dlc seriously improved her image. I was completely indifferent towards her before, but now I think she's pretty cool.

^This

[ladykleo]

I have two female Shepards, so...

1. Liara in both cases. Looks like I have a thing for beautiful blue ladies.

2. Joan romanced Garrus. Though in my head-canon it's a platonic relationship. Cassandra remained faithful to Liara (because Samara wasn't interested j/k).

3. No changes. Joan wants to give Garrus a happy future. Cassandra wants to get married with Liara and have blue kids.

4. Did not change anything, but improved my opinion about Liara.

Modifié par ladykleo, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Bruddajakka]

1. Ash, then Liara in subsequent play throughs. Ash is nice but she doesn't do it for me. At least she's better then Space Elvis.



2. Tali.



3. Liara, and Tali if I can manage it. Otherwise I'll just make a character for each.



4. I've always preferred Tali, and Liara to Kaiden, and Ash. They're okay characters but they just don't do it for me. Ash is way too insecure, and Kaiden is way too reserved for my liking.

[Prince of Kemet]

epoch_ wrote...

1. Ashley

2. Ashley

3. Ashley

4. I'm actually going to do a liara playthrough. The dlc seriously improved her image. I was completely indifferent towards her before, but now I think she's pretty cool.

^This