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[Pudricks]

I am deeply conflicted with Bioware right now. I played through Lair of the Shadow Broker and ate up every minute of it on the edge of my seat, loved it. The story, the character development, action sequences, everything in it was a beautiful wrap up on the DLC for ME2.

But Witch Hunt is nothing. There is absolutely nothing here that is memorable or enjoyable. Seven dollars isn't a lot of cash, but I can't help but feel robbed.

[Archonsg]

I think those of us who were dissatisfied with Witch Hunt do have solid ground to stand on. Dragon Age Origins marketed the game as such that the choices your Warden makes do matter, and I would think something like who you last chose as your love interest in Origins would count as "something that mattered."

What bothered me most about the DLC was that right from the start, the whole thing felt rushed and incomplete. For instance, when you first meet Ariane, she's a stranger who broke into Flemmeth's hut and almost without any real "quality" time and interaction, she becomes a party member and trusted member of said party (you say so yourself at the Circle's Tower)? And what of those who like myself did not "love" Morrigan and chose Lelianna as my romance choice? Morrigan was a means to an end (to save myself from dying) and all I really care about at this point is the child she carried. It seemed that they did at the beginning had intended to differentiate between those who want to kill Morrigan, those who just want to know where the child is and those who loved Morrigan but decided "Nah...let her and the Warden make out and assume that everyone who bedded Morrigan were in love with her."

The only good parts were the banter, which was really funny and well done. But that alone could not save anyone who bought the DLC from feeling that they were sold an incomplete product.

Now compare that to Mass Effect 2's DLC released on the same day " Liar of the Shadow Broker" and the difference between a well done product and one that was a slap to the face of all your *paying* fans is stark. Shadow Broker was a joy to play.

Honestly, I would have been more then willing to pay more, as well as willing to wait a little longer for Witch Hunt to have had the same polish as Shadow Broker had.

Modifié par Archonsg, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:47 .

[Bruddajakka]

The budget on ME2 was always way higher then the one on Origins, and that's reflected in the DLC. Since it seems like the budget on DA2 is much higher then DAO the DLC will probably reflect that as well.

[Chuvvy]

Greenleaf6 wrote...

I am deeply conflicted with Bioware right now. I played through Lair of the Shadow Broker and ate up every minute of it on the edge of my seat, loved it. The story, the character development, action sequences, everything in it was a beautiful wrap up on the DLC for ME2.
But Witch Hunt is nothing. There is absolutely nothing here that is memorable or enjoyable. Seven dollars isn't a lot of cash, but I can't help but feel robbed.

This. It's a steak dinner compared to an MRE.

[Suzene]

Arrtis wrote...
Gaider says he wants to leave people wanting more.

Means this is intentional and there is no such thing as an ending till they arent being paid anymore.

Mission accomplished, in that case. This was one more DLC I decided not to buy, and, at this rate, unless I hear epically glowing reviews for DA2, I'm not even going to bother picking it up out of the cheap bins. This kind of blatant money-grab at the expense of story is the reason I don't buy mainstream comics anymore, and I'm perfectly happy to similarly ignore Bioware's output until they realize that their customers are not addicts and that quality does matter.

[Dormiglione]

TJPags wrote...

Good marketing job, poor delivery.

It's that simple.

I agree with that.

What a disappointment. Witch Hunt ... Bioware, you took advantage of our feelings for morrigan and delivered the worst DLC for DA Origin that was possible. Who cares about Arianne or Finn. Your advertising for "Witch Hunt" was "Confront Morrigan in this dramatic conclusion to the Origins storyline", tell me Bioware, what was the end? That we had the possibility of a small conversation at the very end of the DLC? I expected a DLC where we had the possibility to know more about the child, to adventure with her, and what do we get? A small piece of inaccurate conversation at the end of the DLC.
And even this small piece with her is bugged. My Warden went through the ritual with Morrigan, but she denies even that. So tell me how accurate is your Storyboard implementation?
I bought DAO, all DLC's and Awakening. Im a customer who supports your product, but this Witch Hunt DLC is a big disappointment.

[Bruddajakka]

When did they ever promise you would have her in your party? Or Adventure with her. They said you were going to confront her, and it would be the end of Origins. And that's what happens. Not their fault you read way more into what was going to be released then was promised. And the DR thing is a bug which their already working on patching.

[Dormiglione]

Bruddajakka wrote...

When did they ever promise you would have her in your party? Or Adventure with her. They said you were going to confront her, and it would be the end of Origins. And that's what happens. Not their fault you read way more into what was going to be released then was promised. And the DR thing is a bug which their already working on patching.

As many other stated, it was an excellent marketing job and a poor delivery. Just go on the Homepage http://dragonage.bio...dao/witch_hunt/ there you will see one Key Feature is: "Confront Morrigan in this dramatic conclusion to the Origins storyline"

So a DLC where Bioware raised the expectation to be centered about Morrigan reveals to give you only a short conversation at the very end of the DLC and there were no question answered.

Why didnt they write on the advertising that we go to party up with Arianne and Finn for the whole DLC and that at the very end of the DLC you will have a short conversation with morrigan that reveals nothing? Hmm.., doesnt really sound exciting, but at least this is the truth.

Modifié par Dormiglione, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Bruddajakka]

They promised a confrontation, and showed us your party members like they always do with the DA DLC. Same thing happened in the last two DLC's that were released. They showed that Tug/Sketch would be your party members in Leliana's Song, and they showed us that Jarrick/Brogan, and Snug would be your party members in Golems.



But since it apparently needs to be posted



CONFRONTATION (noun)

The noun CONFRONTATION has 5 senses:



1. a bold challenge

2. discord resulting from a clash of ideas or opinions

3. a hostile disagreement face-to-face

4. the act of hostile groups opposing each other

5. a focused comparison; bringing together for a careful comparison

[Dormiglione]

So, you are happy with the content? Ok, this is your personal opinion which i respect. For me the advertising raised other expectation and just to compare: Leliana's Song was absolute worth 560 ms points but the Witch Hunt DLC is a disappointment.

[Bruddajakka]

I can understand that people are disappointed with WH. It just bothers me when people are making complaints about being promised something which we weren't ever promised.

Now a valid complaint would be the fact they're reusing old areas from the bloody origins for most of it, and it was a bit short. Not about Adventuring with Morrigan again when we were told straight up that Areina, Finn, and Dog would be our party members.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:46 .

[NativityInBlack]

double 

Modifié par NativityInBlack, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:45 .

[NativityInBlack]

 I got to finish the game with Morrigan - that's what I wanted in the first place, so for that, thank you Bioware.
But the bugs are unacceptable and the answers too short / bar none for a game in the premature end of it's cycle, you already decided to scratch Dragon Age with the upcoming Dragon Age 2 that will be streamlined to an extreme to say the least. Don't fool yourselves, Dragon Age 2 will fit the console model that came with Mass Effect and will take away what we had here.
Every Dragon Age DLC were probably among the worst in the history of Bioware and set a new low bar of bad, recycled and short content not expected from our favorite company. Just compare side to side with stuff like Broken Steel DLC from Bethesda, sorta the same price, worlds away.
Best luck with Dragon Age 2, Day 1 for me, but DLC's no thanks unless they are reformulated to be actually worth it, I bet the company is giving you guys a dozen folks to make those DLC's so perhaps it's not even your fault.

With love from your fan,

NiB 

[Wohden]

I just can't seem to get away with replying to this without a wall of text, so in summary I agree with the OP.

     I Learned not to buy DLC from bioware ever again. I was already cautious about paying for DLC in the first place and only because it was bioware did I give this a try and now I regret it. Nothing ensures quality in DLC and this confirmed my reservations. The game industry is testing the boundaries of how much quality they can sacrifice in pushing a product with hype and advertisement that they do not even attempt to honestly live up to, and so they get away with this low-level of work. As evidenced by a few people actually claiming to be happy with this completely unacceptable DLC it seems there is nothing so bad that some gamers will not part with their money over and the worst part about that is, it degrades the quality of the game industry for us all.   

     It's not a matter of opinion on liking how the story may have ended or not. The simple truth is there was NO ending to the DA:O story in WH. this was an advertisement for the next game in the series, which would be ok if they, you know, threw in some story with this DLC as well as did not blatantly mislead people to believing there would be answers to the story that they had no intention of giving until you buy their next products. 

     There was no progression or conclusion to the story beyond Morrigan found portals, you find Morrigan,  you go through with her or stay behind... buy DA3? I dare say everything that was in the DLC and conversation with Morrigan at the end we already knew from DA:O or was simply lip-service to DA:A except for the gender of the child and two new companions which were not pertinent to anything. Flemeth not human not dead, DA:O explained these already. -WH  DLC added nothing here-Child, still no answer as to what it is, where it is ( we assume! it is through the mirror, which is an unknown location; exactly where we were left off at the end of DA:O with Morrigan's whereabouts unkown) what significance is he to the story, the DA world? Is he important, or simply a means to an end for Morrigan? The only importance the child has is as a question to build suspense for the next games... that is ok, however this reinforces the point of WH being an advertisement for the next games, and we paid $7 for a conclusion to DA:O.Warden and Morrigan? together through mysterious unknown portal, or not and with an unkowable "gift" then credits roll... are you kidding me/ anyone finds this acceptable they could not even write the paragraphs with the pictures from the epilogue?

     Also considering the incorrect choices bug which is unbelievable they would release the DLC with such a major issue, but hey other games release broken/unfinished content all the time and people still pay for it and as consumers they expect major bugs now and not just minor ones which is just absurd. The industry does not have to improve and continue to pump out broken incomplete shoddy work and customers aren't learning that they are stimulating this practice.  *Not blaming bioware specifically here as I suspect/hope? they are not at the heart of the matter with how much great work they have delivered over the years, but I am shocked to see this uncharacteristically  and have moved down from super fanboy, to wary fan, with a wait and see attitude for future games.
 
     Simply put gamers generally have more money than sense. Pun intended. companies figure they do not need to have standards and they get away with selling not only low-quality work, but now with-holding content to sell later and be praised for it... wow it's a pretty good scam now that I think about, it's just sad how many people are so easily duped, but maybe they deserve to be parted with their money anyway

Modifié par Wohden, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:50 .

[LtlMac]

keesio74 wrote...

LtlMac wrote...

I agree..i would also argue that it was a situation of false advertising.    I am currently debating whether or not to make a  case about it with the Better Business Bureau.  Probably won't get much attention...but I think it could be the first time something like this got brought up.   I can't even explain how pissed I am right now.  It amazes me that this level of contempt that I feel has been prompted by actions from a compay such as Bioware.   

The Better Business Bureau? Are you for real? It's just a game... and for $7! What is that? The cost of a McDonald's value meal? There are better things to be upset about.

Yeah I was a little disappointed with the ending. I liked Morrigan's character and felt the ending lacking. But whatever.

To be fair...I was a tad intoxicated at the time of the post.  That said, it's not about the $7.00....it is about the fact that the product did not provide what was adverstised.

[LtlMac]

Arrtis wrote...

LtlMac wrote...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Ok, I am sure this has been posted already....but what in the heck was up with the ending to Witch Hunt?  Please tell me this was just some sort of bug.  I romanced Morrigan my first play through....hell, It's only a game but I actually felt I was cheating on my wife as I played through DA:O.  This was supposed to be the ending that tied up the loose ends----it says so right there in the freaking advertisement!!

In the end I go through a portal with Morrigan and....NOTHING is explained!!  In fact, NO questions were answered but more were presented!!  I re-loaded...thinking it was a glitch or I was going to be forced to not go in to the portal.....but the game just ends abrubtly!  The worst part, is that the screen teases you for a few moments as though you are about to continue on your adventure! 

If this is a glitch I can forgive and wait for patch....but if that was truly the ending it was the most gigantic waste of a measley $7.00 I have ever spent in my life.   It left no questions answered, had a completley disatisfying ending, rehashed NOTHING but old maps and enemies that my computer illiterate self could have made with a basic scenerio editor in one evening; and introduced new characters that I never cared about and was never given the time to START caring about.   I spent a few hours last night rushing through the 'chore' quest to get to the 'good stuff'.  Little did I know that the 'chore quest' was the majority of the DLC, and the 'Good stuff' lasted about 5 mins and did NOTHING to satisfy me!!   If you are going to answer the questions in DA II you should have just waited.  If you aren't....then.....Bioware, you have failed me...a loyal consumer...for the first time in the most dramatic of ways.  I have been with you since Baldurs Gate....but if this is the quality of product I can expect from you now that you are part of EA....I will say my good bye.

Yes, i understand it is only a story....but it is one that has captured my imaginiation and I want to finish it through...this ending is something I have anticipated for almost a year now....and the way it was handled makes me fee cheap and abused.  I've been ripped off in the past....but this is the first time I felt like the rip-off was intentional...and it is nailing me from one of the few companies/corportations I had respect for.  

I sincerely hope there is just some bug preventing the remainder of a full playthrough....because if the abrupt ending was on purpose I can only assume you have stopped caring about story and only care about sucking hard earned money out of my pocket.  Your ad said you would wrap up the story.....you did not wrap up ****,.  It may only be $7.00...but I want my money back.  I'm in the Army and earned what I made.....you didn't earn a penny of what my idiot self gave to you. 

Thats my rant.   Sorry if it offends, but it needed to be said.  Good day.

Gaider says he wants to leave people wanting more.
Means this is intentional and there is no such thing as an ending till they arent being paid anymore.

It says this is going to be the last DLC.   I would assume that means this is the official end of the story.   If they eventually do put out a conclusion to the story I can imagine the arguement will be that they should have just included it in this DLC (and upped the price if they had to).   On top of my objections to the conclusion of witch hunt (because thats what really bothers me)....the simple fact is that it wasn't even FUN.  I mean....the entire leade of to Morrigan was just one big busy body chore.  I didn't have fun save a few smiles here in there.  I'll admit hearing the Mages talk about my escapade with 3 Nugs and a pirate was pretty funny.  But not funny enough to make up for the rest.

[LtlMac]

Bruddajakka wrote...

I can understand that people are disappointed with WH. It just bothers me when people are making complaints about being promised something which we weren't ever promised.

Now a valid complaint would be the fact they're reusing old areas from the bloody origins for most of it, and it was a bit short. Not about Adventuring with Morrigan again when we were told straight up that Areina, Finn, and Dog would be our party members.

I am not upset that I didn't adventure with morrigan again (disappointed...but not upset).  I am upset that they did not conclude the story which they DID say they would do.  Oh, and being 'left hangin' after the portal or viewing the book is not a 'conclusion'.   I am also upset for everything that you just mentioned above.

[Estelindis]

AuraofMana wrote...

Why was it not an ending? Your Warden either killed Morrigan, let her go, and went with her (if you romanced her). That's an ending. It may not have answered every single question you've ever had about Morrigan, but nowhere does it say it was going to leave you with an exhaustive explanation.

Excuse me, but precisely none of my questions were answered in this DLC.  (One may infer, from the god-child's gender, that it all wasn't a ploy by Morrigan to get a powerful body by pulling a Flemeth, but that's about it.)  That's a bit more deficient than simply not being an exhaustive explanation.

I did enjoy the DLC.  I liked it primarily because of Ariane and Finn.  But the vast majority of the marketing centred around Morrigan, and the vast majority of the DLC did not feature Morrigan. 

Wohden wrote...
I Learned not to buy DLC from bioware ever again.

If you feel that way based on Witch Hunt, I think a more measured response might be to never buy Dragon Age DLC ever again.  Mass Effect DLC has been very good, with the recently-released Lair of the Shadow Broker representing a new high and receiving apparently-universal acclaim.

Modifié par Estelindis, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:51 .

[Feroxrex]

To me Witch Hunt was yet another disappointing DA DLC. I have loved all the ME2 DLC's, but the only DA one that I truly enjoyed was Leliana's Song. I though the rest of the post launch DLC's were ho-hum at best. Witch Hunt from the advertising, I expected Morrigan to play a much more active role and not just the few minutes at the end. Given the areas of the game world that were used, I would have had your character run into Morrigan at the beginning at Flemeth's hut and centered the whole DLC on stopping a plot of Flemeths and it could have still ended at the mirror in the end with your character following or letting her go. I will still be getting DA2 when it comes out, but if the first DLC's of DA2 are of the same quality as the DA DLC's I will stop purchasing them.

[Reika]

Well, I didn't get the Darkspawn Chronicles since I had no desire to play a darkspawn. I'm enough of a monster in real life by working for an insurance company.



Other than that, I greatly enjoyed Return to Ostagar, Leliana's Song and Golems of Amgarrak (I know, a lot of people didn't like Golems), which is probably why I was so disappointed in Witch Hunt. I didn't mind revisiting some of the old stomping grounds, it was good to see the Mage Tower restored and to find out that Bodahn was still alive. It was just the total cliffhanger that you aren't sure will be answered in DA2.

[keesio74]

LtlMac wrote...

To be fair...I was a tad intoxicated at the time of the post.  That said, it's not about the $7.00....it is about the fact that the product did not provide what was adverstised.

I will agree to that. But that's life. Most stuff falls flat on their face. I expected more from Bioware. I wonder if they really understood the depth of the emotions that some people had with Morrigan. I don't think so, otherwise they would not have made it a little DLC.

[william_12123]

Well, it is a tad disapointing. Especially the "mysterious gift" at the end that you never really get to know what it is... But I assume that most of it will be answered in DA2 in some way or another... But I would have really liked to know what she was trying to do with the godbaby. I mean, the story from DA2 appears to be pretty unrelated from DAO, so we might never get answered...and considering the relative cost of making videogames, if they really have trouble financing, we're unlikely to ever get a conclusion...
single tear
I mean, we still bought it didnt we?

Modifié par william_12123, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[Dormiglione]

LtlMac wrote...

I am not upset that I didn't adventure with morrigan again (disappointed...but not upset).  I am upset that they did not conclude the story which they DID say they would do.  Oh, and being 'left hangin' after the portal or viewing the book is not a 'conclusion'.   I am also upset for everything that you just mentioned above.

I agree with you. On the Bioware Addon Homepage they claim:
One Key Feature is: Confront Morrigan in this dramatic conclusion to the Origins Storyline.

I would like to know how Bioware defines a "Key Feature"

There are a lot of threads/posts from people who are disappointed with the "conclussion" of the DAO Story. But there is nowhere a response from the developer/designer.

Modifié par Dormiglione, 11 septembre 2010 - 05:57 .

[asaiasai]

My complaint is with the lack of continuity of the story. I specifically bought this DLC because it allowed me the option to kill Morrigan, I only killed her 2 of the 4 times i played but i do agree OP, not so much in the lack of story or closure but the bugs. I just copied this from another reply i made in another thread because more than anything this bothers me the most.

{One character i played "Me" male human noble was set up to be king from the very beginning. As such i romanced neither Morrigan or Leliana, as a matter of point Morrigan was removed from my party on arrival at Lotharin, only to make an appearance in Redcliffe to offer me the ritual which i refused. I find it most disturbing that the game takes it for granted that "Me" has a son at all, and that i seem to know nothing about. This caused me to consider this character's story and try a reason out how "Me" could have a son. The only thing that comes to mind is maybe a **** from the Pearl or Isabella would be the most logical point, but why would Morrigan hunt down and collect Me's son and why does she even feel the right to do so considering the child is not hers? Second upon failure to produce said child of unknown origin that for the most part i am sure is not Me's by Morrigan (unless there was trickery involved, which opens up a whole new set of criteria) caused "Me" to react poorly. Morrigan was gutted and tossed back into the mirror, which is not what i would have done. See who knows what is on the other side of the mirror, no you grab her shirt gut her and toss her in the dirt at your feet to watch her bleed out, to ensure she is dead and left to rot where she lays. Some of you would argue that the child has no mother with Morrigan gone, but Morrigan's failure to explain how she came by "Me's" son, and failure to produce said child for the rightful parent, it seems to me she had it comming.}

I will wait until they fix the ending bug and see if they can seem to get the proper story arc correct for each character, i am not going to hold my breath though this has been an issue with DAO since the very first completion and the choices the player made were not even reflected correctly in the original epilogue. That is what cheeses me off the most, Morrigan's story is as necessary as the player chooses to make her, if as i do you cut her in Lotharin she has minimal impact on the story if any. Then witch hunt becomes nothing more than a police action to ensure that what ever Morrigan has planned the warden can interupt if he/she deems it necessary.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 11 septembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[LtlMac]

william_12123 wrote...

Well, it is a tad disapointing. Especially the "mysterious gift" at the end that you never really get to know what it is... But I assume that most of it will be answered in DA2 in some way or another... But I would have really liked to know what she was trying to do with the godbaby. I mean, the story from DA2 appears to be pretty unrelated from DAO, so we might never get answered...and considering the relative cost of making videogames, if they really have trouble financing, we're unlikely to ever get a conclusion...
single tear
I mean, we still bought it didnt we?

If they are having trouble financing they should be honest about it and let us know the deal.  I'd throw down $7.00 if they just came out and said "hey guys....our business plan got all jacked cause of the economy....and we need some donations or this thing is ****ed."  They should put an intern charity button on their homepage.

I hate the idea that I feel tricked and abused as a consumer.  Especially from a company like Bioware.

Modifié par LtlMac, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:09 .