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[SpiritDan]

Personally I enjoyed the DLC, it was shorter than I wanted but I got closure. Everytime I finished Awakening it would always say The Warden vanishes never to return, at least now I know my Warden "Vanished" to be with the woman he loved.



Maybe I enjoyed it because I played the whole thing through, suppose if I had finished all the others months ago then played this on it's own I'd probably feel a bit ripped off as well.



To the people who are saying "I'll never buy DA DLC again" I thought that about ME after Pinacle station but Look at the comparison between ME1 DLC and ME2 DLC.

[spoe71]

Well, I don't know about you guys, but my character DID romance Morrigan, but that's NOT the ending my character got. According to her, I refused her but somehow managed to live anyway. I have no idea what she's talking about. Nor did I get to enter any portal with her. But, evidently my character and she did have a child together. Very confusing and very bugged.



Bunch of hogwash if you ask me.

[leimana]

Also bugged for me, she slept with Allistair and I got a "You refused me ". The ONLY 2 characters I had that refused the ritual have NOT hunted her down yet.



I have yet to complain about any DLC because to be honest I have liked it all so far, but THIS is the WORST DLC I have ever purchased. I am not happy one bit with it. It answered NOTHING, I did not get to see what she left at the camp for me, the ending was all wrong because she should have had a kid with Allistair; I got no freaking answers at all other than Flemeth is alive, which I already kinda figured.



I was really looking forward to this DLC and I’m just annoyed, disappointed, and angry that it’s SO bugged and SO unsatisfying and that it answers NOTHING.

[Valdrane78]

I personally am satisfied with the ending of the DLC. I found out about my kid, I found out Morrigan still cares for me, I found out what she has been doing since she left and I found out why I disappeared. Pretty much every question I had about her was answered, and as far as I can tell those were the secrets to be revealed. We also found out that she isn't evil at all, maybe a little selfish and niave, but not evil. She was glad to see you, she was sorry she lied to you, and see seemed genuine.



Since it is apparant that Flemeth is probably the main antagonist in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised to see Morrigan come back from wherever she and I went to fight her so called mother. I doubt we have seen the last of Morrigan.

[Fault Girl]

But again, the DLC was good for those who had romanced Morrigan and did the ritual and so forth, for many other's who choose not to, it does leave a bad cliffhanger.



I am just hoping that it won't be left at that...



If it is the last DLC for origins, the ending should have been more firm UNLESS they intend to address in the future which could seem likely, well I hope anyway...

[chunkinator]

 the only reason i downloaded it was i heard it was going to integrated into dragonage 2 some how and your choice on if you killed flemeth or let her live and lie too morrigan  would play a part and this must some how tie into it but i too feel didled and what the heck is the reward supposed tobe i tried everyway possible and nothing WHAT A CON:devil:

[C00Ki3 GiRL]

Just wondering... If you go through the portal (which i did) what then is suppost to happen to Fin and Ariane?? Do they just say "Oh well the Grey Warden has gone, lets just wonder back home"?? Nothing was answered!

Fin wanted to see the mirror and study it - did he do that? Or just go back to the Circle of Magi?

Yea we found out something about Flemmeth but tbh kinda knew that anyways : /

Depending on whether or not you completed the ritual you find out you have a son - if you read the ending credits to DA:O you would have seen that it states a woman was spotted in the mountains carrying a child << That is more or less very likely to have been Morrigan so you only really learn the gender of your child

Also.. Where does the portal go? Do you actually get to meet your son? What happens afterwards - Do you and Morrigan and your 'Dark God/Evil/Tainted' son live happily ever after in a faraway place??

Its infuriating - i've been left puzzled and annoyed due to the lack of answers!

So much for 'Secrets revealed"


I love DA:O/A but this DLC has (in my opinion) not been what i expected : (

Im quite dissapointed now to be honest. I hope Bioware will take into consideration all of the views on this forum and possibly make another add on to Witch Hunt for free (for all the people that have the same feeling as i do) that actually answers questions and doesn't create more.

Modifié par C00Ki3 GiRL, 12 septembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[C04L]

so this is the last dlc for DA1?

i want more! boohoo!

[BeastMTL]

spawnkill gave this dlc 1/10.. Ouch!

http://spawnkill.com...witch-hunt-dlc/

Bioware have stated they take reviews more seriously than the forums. I hope they read this one!

[Whrill]

Am i thinking this too tricky or what..... i did Dark ritual and bought witch hunt DLC and in the and talking with morrigan she says you denied me the ritual??? i accepted the ritual why she says i denied it? she also says i denied her at redcliffe...but i didnt so is this some sort of bug or whats wrong? but she still speaks about our son and so on. (my english sucks i know it)

[Pygmali0n]

Wohden wrote...

I just can't seem to get away with replying to this without a wall of text, so in summary I agree with the OP.

     I Learned not to buy DLC from bioware ever again. I was already cautious about paying for DLC in the first place and only because it was bioware did I give this a try and now I regret it. Nothing ensures quality in DLC and this confirmed my reservations. The game industry is testing the boundaries of how much quality they can sacrifice in pushing a product with hype and advertisement that they do not even attempt to honestly live up to, and so they get away with this low-level of work. As evidenced by a few people actually claiming to be happy with this completely unacceptable DLC it seems there is nothing so bad that some gamers will not part with their money over and the worst part about that is, it degrades the quality of the game industry for us all.   

     It's not a matter of opinion on liking how the story may have ended or not. The simple truth is there was NO ending to the DA:O story in WH. this was an advertisement for the next game in the series, which would be ok if they, you know, threw in some story with this DLC as well as did not blatantly mislead people to believing there would be answers to the story that they had no intention of giving until you buy their next products. 

     There was no progression or conclusion to the story beyond Morrigan found portals, you find Morrigan,  you go through with her or stay behind... buy DA3? I dare say everything that was in the DLC and conversation with Morrigan at the end we already knew from DA:O or was simply lip-service to DA:A except for the gender of the child and two new companions which were not pertinent to anything. Flemeth not human not dead, DA:O explained these already. -WH  DLC added nothing here-Child, still no answer as to what it is, where it is ( we assume! it is through the mirror, which is an unknown location; exactly where we were left off at the end of DA:O with Morrigan's whereabouts unkown) what significance is he to the story, the DA world? Is he important, or simply a means to an end for Morrigan? The only importance the child has is as a question to build suspense for the next games... that is ok, however this reinforces the point of WH being an advertisement for the next games, and we paid $7 for a conclusion to DA:O.Warden and Morrigan? together through mysterious unknown portal, or not and with an unkowable "gift" then credits roll... are you kidding me/ anyone finds this acceptable they could not even write the paragraphs with the pictures from the epilogue?

     Also considering the incorrect choices bug which is unbelievable they would release the DLC with such a major issue, but hey other games release broken/unfinished content all the time and people still pay for it and as consumers they expect major bugs now and not just minor ones which is just absurd. The industry does not have to improve and continue to pump out broken incomplete shoddy work and customers aren't learning that they are stimulating this practice.  *Not blaming bioware specifically here as I suspect/hope? they are not at the heart of the matter with how much great work they have delivered over the years, but I am shocked to see this uncharacteristically  and have moved down from super fanboy, to wary fan, with a wait and see attitude for future games.
 
     Simply put gamers generally have more money than sense. Pun intended. companies figure they do not need to have standards and they get away with selling not only low-quality work, but now with-holding content to sell later and be praised for it... wow it's a pretty good scam now that I think about, it's just sad how many people are so easily duped, but maybe they deserve to be parted with their money anyway

That is a darn fine post, and the OP and Spawn Kill review.

Those blindly in love with Morrigan and happy with their 'closure' are ignoring the points the devs are using as their defence (- not to mention Morrigan's own dire warnings, less than keen acceptance and ambiguous look as she walked through the mirror).

Arrtis wrote...
Gaider says he wants to leave people wanting more.

Origins left me wanting more. WH left me wishing there was an end.

This is an epilogue which should have been part of Origins - or a free add-on advert to build anticipation for DA2 (even then there are serious problems with the massive stonewalling you get from Morrigan). BW wouldn't have then had to waste time with creating 95% of the mediocre hunting/fighting. The writers seem to have a novelistic vision of Thedas now - all well and good - but some novels need editors.

Good luck with DA2 - was disappointed with the news of Hawke - but hell, it's Bioware so I was still going to buy - however, after Witch Hunt it's no longer an automatic pre-order - it's a read lots of reviews carefully - despite the high risk of spoilers.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 12 septembre 2010 - 02:13 .

[NoCc_]

Valdrane78 wrote...

I personally am satisfied with the ending of the DLC. I found out about my kid, I found out Morrigan still cares for me, I found out what she has been doing since she left and I found out why I disappeared. Pretty much every question I had about her was answered, and as far as I can tell those were the secrets to be revealed. We also found out that she isn't evil at all, maybe a little selfish and niave, but not evil. She was glad to see you, she was sorry she lied to you, and see seemed genuine.

Since it is apparant that Flemeth is probably the main antagonist in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised to see Morrigan come back from wherever she and I went to fight her so called mother. I doubt we have seen the last of Morrigan.

Oh really?
What is the "purpose" behind your kid? What has she been doing considering it was about 1 year between DA:O and WH. What did she needs to dalish book for? 

Then there's all the new questions
What's behind the mirror
What IS flemeth
Why can't she tell you her "plan" when she allows you to follow her

etc

The only questions WH answered was the gender of the god child and that Morrigan truly cared for you, nothing else, and it added even more questions.

[Reika]

As someone who didn't romance Morrigan, but was on very good terms as friends/adoptive sisters, the ending was pretty bad. I couldn't believe all the hostile dialogue options that were given after the initial "I thought we were friends, so I wanted to talk" choice. I went back through with some of the other options and they were equally as bad.



Judging from posts by other folks, there were enough people who didn't romance Morrigan that felt cheated at the end. Heck, there were some who did that felt cheated also.

[Pygmali0n]

Yes, all well and good Acharnae - but why make us find this out after the event? Not everyone follows the dev's every pronouncement in the forums and nor should they.

The Origins game, the epilogues, the advertising - none of it justified thinking of the Warden in this manner.

I hate spoilers more than most but Morrigan's stonewalling was not at all satisfying or beguiling 

My Warden romanced Morrigan Reika -unbugged- and I thought the ending was bad, in game design terms and in story terms. In story terms it was not compelling, no reveals, Morrigan not particularly glad to see you, no grand conflict. I'm meant to dine on loose threads - and not Twin Peaks loose threads, but unsatisfying Lost loose threads. And Morrigan (Gaider?) goes and ruins immersion by harping on about change - not really addressing the Warden in the story but an obvious lecture to the players unhappy about Hawke.

Yes it could be cool to fight your old Warden as Hawke or someone else - it still would not justify this poor DLC.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:50 .

[Pygmali0n]

Could be Acarnae - I've been reading how apparently DAO was not initially designed with easily integrated DLC in mind - that said why risk damaging the Dragon Age name with Witch Hunt? And especially with the marketing of it. Did no-one at BW see just how bad it is?

The evidence is mounting that 'The character is Thedas' is not the original idea for Dragon Age and is in fact a volte-face after Origins had been at least mostly finished. If that's not the explanation then sloppy plotting is to blame (I know it must be hard in a multiple universe, but I'd still call it sloppy)

Yep - started off with the peerless BG myself - as far as BW goes.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Reika]

Acharnae, I don't mind cliffhangers. WH wasn't even a cliffhanger because the information given wasn't really new or earthshaking. Flemeth not being a blood mage, abomination or even human really wasn't that surprising to me. The things call abominations tended to being insane and just lashing out at everything around them. The thing Uldred had become was a bit more rational than the others, but that's because it was a pride demon, but it still wasn't that rational.



It's possible Flemeth maybe someone like Wynne who got bonded to a Fade spirit. I'm not sure it was a demon since the demons don't seem like the type to let a person still be themselves and Flemeth struck me as a woman who knew exactly what she was and what she was doing. It just amused her to act like a nutty old woman.



As for Morrigan going through the mirror, well that wasn't exactly surprising either. Her home is now blighted and overrun by darkspawn stragglers. I can't really see her being able to settle down anywhere else for long periods of time because she's not the type to willingly hide herself for long periods of time.



That Morrigan had the baby was obvious if you took the option of the DR since you didn't see the archdemon make a reappearance. IIRC if you played a male warden that was in a romance with her, there was a chance she had a baby anyway based off some of the epilogue options I've seen.



The fight with the Vaterral was just disappointing. I normally play on easy or normal because I'm more for the story than insane battles. I wiped the floor with the thing on insanity after hard was too easy. And this was after I used some of my lower tiered items.



So overall the ending was more of a letdown than cliffhanger.



Though I'm not going to let this turn me away from DA2, it just makes me look forward to ME3 more.

[Obadiah]

Pygmali0n wrote...

Could be Acarnae - I've been reading how apparently DAO was not initially designed with easily integrated DLC in mind...

Really? Because when I started using the Chantry Board and Blackstone Irregular chests, they seemed perfect for jumping off points for DLCs. Not sure why they weren't used more.

Modifié par Obadiah, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[Reika]

Speaking of the Blackstone Irregulars, was anyone else disappointed you couldn't hire them in Awakening? I thought they would've been perfect to make up for the lack of guards. Use them for patrols, to guard the farms and even the trade routes. This way you can keep your loyal guards for the Keep and Amaranthine without compromising their protection.

[Obadiah]

Acharnae wrote...
...
So I think they now follow a different philosophy where they create cliffhangers all the time in order to keep the interest alive, they play a lot with DLC in order to capitalize a whole new world they made (in BG the forgotten realms were already created..)
...

I have noticed this with Dragon Age - not so much with ME since that was billed as a trilogy and to date you don't need any of the DLCs to complete the story. Dragon Age is dangerously stradling that line between compelling-story-with-plot-twists and jerking-the-player-around.

[Pygmali0n]

Sorry Obadiah, can't remember which thread I saw that in - someone was trying to work out why Shadow Broker is so good whilst WH failed to feel like a part of Origins. Technically I'm not so sure - I think it's due to the story -**ME2 SPOILER** .....Shadow Broker fits seemlessly into the series as at the end your team doesn't break up. And WH is meant to be a kind of epilogue I think whilst trying to look forward to a sequel which isn't really a sequel (trying to be like Hardy's Wessex novels by the sounds of it).

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:34 .