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[Mycrus Ironfist]

Suzene wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
Gaider says he wants to leave people wanting more.

Means this is intentional and there is no such thing as an ending till they arent being paid anymore.

Mission accomplished, in that case. This was one more DLC I decided not to buy, and, at this rate, unless I hear epically glowing reviews for DA2, I'm not even going to bother picking it up out of the cheap bins. This kind of blatant money-grab at the expense of story is the reason I don't buy mainstream comics anymore, and I'm perfectly happy to similarly ignore Bioware's output until they realize that their customers are not addicts and that quality does matter.

having bought everything.. .as in everything except the stupid feast day pack... i totally agree...

at least the mass effect franchise is in good hands...  apart from stupid install issues for the shadow broker, the experience has been stellar.

compare it to DA

1.) bergen's honor textures wrong
2.) ancient boots
3.) soldier's keep unable to finish sword side quest if you exit the keep.
4.) powers of the blood bugged in awakening..
5.) being stark naked at the start of awakening..
6.) being ferelden's warden commander but not being able to wear the warden commander armor in awakening.
7.) need to complete awakening in a certain way or story will be broken
8.) dumb oghren quest won't start in awakening if you gave him a lot of gifts in origins
9.) ending video in awakening loops back and back and back

and then now on top of everything... you need to revert to origins savegame that you may not have anymore to make witch hunt work correctly........grrr...

[Brockololly]

Acharnae wrote...

Reika, I'm not saying that WH created a new cliffhanger but that it did not "close" the massive one it had started in DAO. Which I think is the main complain of the threadstarter and other people.
That's why I'm saying that in the "new philosophy" of bioware that is something that rightly or wrongly we must learn to expect... if we choose to stay on the wagon
 

The problem I think with Witch Hunt is that the marketing and trailer and everything created the expectation that we would receive answers regarding Morrigan's secrets and that we would receive answers. More or less, Morrigan simply gives us vague wishy washy prophetic answers that could mean anything. And what very little she does tell regarding the Baby and Flemeth isn't exactly anything we couldn't have pieced together already.

As for it being a cliffhanger- it is. But provided that this whole storyline of Morrigan, the Warden and the Old God Baby isn't forgotten or ignored in the future, its ok to flesh out the world a bit more in DA2 before hopefully linking back up with Morrigan and maybe the Wardens in DA3.

I enjoyed Witch Hunt for the romance closure, but depending on your expecatations and what you were seeking out of it, I can understand why people may be upset with it, especially with how it was marketed.

[Mycrus Ironfist]

Acharnae wrote...

Reika, I'm not saying that WH created a new cliffhanger but that it did not "close" the massive one it had started in DAO. Which I think is the main complain of the threadstarter and other people.
That's why I'm saying that in the "new philosophy" of bioware that is something that rightly or wrongly we must learn to expect... if we choose to stay on the wagon

Pygmalion, interesting points.
I haven't finished awakenings yet so I'll reserve my opnion for when I do (I was put off by the not so great story behind it, just some more darkspawns and the fact of your unexplained ressurection, if you chose to die in DAO but mainly because a huge question mark (morrigan) was not answered) but will finish it sometime.

yeah and that BS speech from morrigan about change is coming... yeah right....

yeah right who moved my bloody f*****G cheese???

[Mycrus Ironfist]

Brockololly wrote...

Acharnae wrote...

Reika, I'm not saying that WH created a new cliffhanger but that it did not "close" the massive one it had started in DAO. Which I think is the main complain of the threadstarter and other people.
That's why I'm saying that in the "new philosophy" of bioware that is something that rightly or wrongly we must learn to expect... if we choose to stay on the wagon
 

The problem I think with Witch Hunt is that the marketing and trailer and everything created the expectation that we would receive answers regarding Morrigan's secrets and that we would receive answers. More or less, Morrigan simply gives us vague wishy washy prophetic answers that could mean anything. And what very little she does tell regarding the Baby and Flemeth isn't exactly anything we couldn't have pieced together already.

As for it being a cliffhanger- it is. But provided that this whole storyline of Morrigan, the Warden and the Old God Baby isn't forgotten or ignored in the future, its ok to flesh out the world a bit more in DA2 before hopefully linking back up with Morrigan and maybe the Wardens in DA3.

I enjoyed Witch Hunt for the romance closure, but depending on your expecatations and what you were seeking out of it, I can understand why people may be upset with it, especially with how it was marketed.

yup you basically bought yourself an advert for DA2

[Obadiah]

Pygmali0n wrote...

Sorry Obadiah, can't remember which thread I saw that in - someone was trying to work out why Shadow Broker is so good whilst WH failed to feel like a part of Origins. Technically I'm not so sure - I think it's due to the story -**ME2 SPOILER** .....Shadow Broker fits more seemlessly into the series as at the end your team doesn't break up. And WH is meant to be a kind of epilogue I think whilst trying to look forward to a sequel which isn't really a sequel (it's more like Hardy's Wessex novels by the sounds of it).

I played LotSB, and it is AWSEOME, because (SPOILER) in addition to looking gorgeous and allowing you to go on a whole mission with one of my favorite charatcers from ME1, it had cool choices (I... uh... shot the hostage), it added some new enemy tactics (bad Spectre charging, flashbags, and enemies attacking from all directions), and in the mission resolution managed to give further insight into the ME universe, and substantially develop the character of ALL of people in your team. Really, I can't say enough about how good that DLC was. It's almost unfair to compare any other DLC  to it.... and it did cost a few $s more than WH.

WH on the other hand (SPOILER) reused areas (quite well actually), allowed your character to make the rounds of Ferelden post Awakenings, gave a new historical narrative (dwarves destroying their own Thaig), but only allowed a brief conversation with one of the most compelling characters in the game, Morrigan, who was used as the top billing for the DLC. As you said, it was an epilogue - there just wasn't anything new added to the characters or places you have come to know.

Modifié par Obadiah, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Rykn]

C00Ki3 GiRL wrote...

Just wondering... If you go through the portal (which i did) what then is suppost to happen to Fin and Ariane?? Do they just say "Oh well the Grey Warden has gone, lets just wonder back home"?? Nothing was answered!-

First a Dev said somewhere on these forums that Finn never returns to the circle and that he and Araine both go off and have little adventures together don't remember where I would have bookmarked it if i knew this would come up again. Happy hunting. Second this is an angry thread. Sure people have slightly valid reasons to be upset but they also have reason for hope. The wardens story isn't over the devs have boldy told us this to our face. Gaider also said the same with Morrigan you put 2+2 together and you get an answer. The story will be continued and freaking out over it isn't something you need to do. All question will be answered on Biowares own time (and budget). Enjoy the present and anticipate the future! Every game Bioware puts out is above average and DA 2 will scratch that itch you have until we find out more about both Morrigan and the Warden at whatever time Bioware brings that story back in to play. It hardly requires going to the BBB. Why don't we all go find some cookies! Cookies soothe all pains and makes everything better.

Modifié par Rykn, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:24 .

[LtlMac]

Rykn wrote...

C00Ki3 GiRL wrote...

Just wondering... If you go through the portal (which i did) what then is suppost to happen to Fin and Ariane?? Do they just say "Oh well the Grey Warden has gone, lets just wonder back home"?? Nothing was answered!-

First a Dev said somewhere on these forums that Finn never returns to the circle and that he and Araine both go off and have little adventures together don't remember where I would have bookmarked it if i knew this would come up again. Happy hunting. Second this is an angry thread. Sure people have slightly valid reasons to be upset but they also have reason for hope. The wardens story isn't over the devs have boldy told us this to our face. Gaider also said the same with Morrigan you put 2+2 together and you get an answer. The story will be continued and freaking out over it isn't something you need to do. All question will be answered on Biowares own time (and budget). Enjoy the present and anticipate the future! Every game Bioware puts out is above average and DA 2 will scratch that itch you have until we find out more about both Morrigan and the Warden at whatever time Bioware brings that story back in to play. It hardly requires going to the BBB. Why don't we all go find some cookies! Cookies soothe all pains and makes everything better.

Being  condescending in your tone does not make your point correct or valid.  If you are happy the "Wardens story isn't over" congrats to you.  However, some of us are ready for it to be over.  More to the point, we are ready for parts of the story to be over.  I mean, seriously, how many times are you willing to keep shelling out money looking for an answer to the most burning question from DA:O before you say 'enough is enough?" 

I would have been cool with a cliffhanger as long as old questions were answered and new ones were provided.....all they are doing is dangling the same old carrot in our faces as we truck along.  Well, the carrot is spoiling and I'm lossing interest in it.  Moreover, if you are satisifed with the DLC....well I'm happy you are happy.  But realize that you are in the minority, and chastising the majority of us for expressing valid opinions based on factual evidence is only adding fuel to our internal fires.  As far as I'm concered it's people like you that will encourage a continuation of this inappropriate behavior and business model being adopted.  So...we can agree to disagree....but don't you talk to me like my opinioins are some how unworthy of honest discussion.  

Finallly, cookies don't soothe all pains...they make you fat.  Then you eat more cookies because you hate the fact you are fat and get fatter.   Don't get me wrong...I love my Oreos and milk as much as the next guy....but they aren't the answer to problems and I could't pass my PT test is I tried to make them as such.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

LtlMac wrote...

Rykn wrote...

C00Ki3 GiRL wrote...

Just wondering... If you go through the portal (which i did) what then is suppost to happen to Fin and Ariane?? Do they just say "Oh well the Grey Warden has gone, lets just wonder back home"?? Nothing was answered!-

First a Dev said somewhere on these forums that Finn never returns to the circle and that he and Araine both go off and have little adventures together don't remember where I would have bookmarked it if i knew this would come up again. Happy hunting. Second this is an angry thread. Sure people have slightly valid reasons to be upset but they also have reason for hope. The wardens story isn't over the devs have boldy told us this to our face. Gaider also said the same with Morrigan you put 2+2 together and you get an answer. The story will be continued and freaking out over it isn't something you need to do. All question will be answered on Biowares own time (and budget). Enjoy the present and anticipate the future! Every game Bioware puts out is above average and DA 2 will scratch that itch you have until we find out more about both Morrigan and the Warden at whatever time Bioware brings that story back in to play. It hardly requires going to the BBB. Why don't we all go find some cookies! Cookies soothe all pains and makes everything better.

Being  condescending in your tone does not make your point correct or valid.  If you are happy the "Wardens story isn't over" congrats to you.  However, some of us are ready for it to be over.  More to the point, we are ready for parts of the story to be over.  I mean, seriously, how many times are you willing to keep shelling out money looking for an answer to the most burning question from DA:O before you say 'enough is enough?" 

I would have been cool with a cliffhanger as long as old questions were answered and new ones were provided.....all they are doing is dangling the same old carrot in our faces as we truck along.  Well, the carrot is spoiling and I'm lossing interest in it.  Moreover, if you are satisifed with the DLC....well I'm happy you are happy.  But realize that you are in the minority, and chastising the majority of us for expressing valid opinions based on factual evidence is only adding fuel to our internal fires.  As far as I'm concered it's people like you that will encourage a continuation of this inappropriate behavior and business model being adopted.  So...we can agree to disagree....but don't you talk to me like my opinioins are some how unworthy of honest discussion.  

Finallly, cookies don't soothe all pains...they make you fat.  Then you eat more cookies because you hate the fact you are fat and get fatter.   Don't get me wrong...I love my Oreos and milk as much as the next guy....but they aren't the answer to problems and I could't pass my PT test is I tried to make them as such.

I wouldn't say that is a fact. I see a lot more "OMG WITCH HUNT IS AWESOMESAUCE" than threads like these. I think the DLC was about a 7/10. Probably could of been a 9 or 10 if that had weeded out the bugs, and actually you know revealed some secrets. I think everyone before Witch Hunt had came to the conclusion Flemeth is a bad moon rising. That really wasn't shocking or new news.

As for the folks that didn't romance Morrigan, and only wanted some answers. I think they have every right to be upset. I'm kind of a Morrigan guy; I like her more than Leliana (Anora is my #1) ^^, but I felt more satisfied with this DLC mainly because of the romantic parts to it. For the female characters or male's who turned her down I imagine this was a stale DLC.

[jcrusader]

Hey all, just completed it. Do you mind if i ask you guys a few questions

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1. I had the ending when i stepped into the portal with her. Was this option only open if you romanced her?

2. Do you think the story will continue in DAO2, because i want to see the child ;/

3. Anyone else feel if anything more confused. I was hoping for a some up sequal.

4. Anyone else keep morrigan's ring. She mentions it at the end.



Thank you guys

[Ygolnac]

I agree with everithing the OP says, except one think: is not EA and neither Bioware to blame, but only the Dragon Age Team. In fact the ME team is doing a pretty good job with DLC, expecially the last one, gaining trust of ME customers.

What Dragon Age Team is doing is only giving us DLC with awfull plots, boring gameplay, and most ridicously using only already used maps.

Many claims that Golems of Amgarrak is good, but it's only a reused map of Kal'Hirol section, and the plot seems written by a 12 yo boy.

The only decent thing we got after Origins is Leliana's Song. Ok, it's just denerim at night, but the plot is intriguing, the music fenomenal, the dialogues and voice lines of the characthers are very good, and even the gameplay is enjoyable. It's also the only thing they released without bugs, amazing!!!

All the rest is crap, and the more annoying crap is the one you get after been told you were getting a proper ending for your warden adventures.

Ah, i forget to mention that the horrible anticlimatic ending is even bugged.

[Tackz]

Imo... the DLC was a perfect storyline that just stopped as if the developers were like, "okay I'm tired, let's just stop here and roll the credits."



Overall, huge disappointment.

[Tackz]

Unless...





In DA2, the main character is the child of Morrigan since you can only be human in DA2 and they end this DLC with the child having a clouded future.

[Withidread]

I'm disappointed as well.



It felt a bit short, considering none of the areas are new. Also, there are a large number of places on the world map that never get visited in the DLC.



As to how the DLC ended, bug aside, just ending play and jumping into credits is bad form. There's no explanation as to what happens to the warden afterwards. Even if you go through the portal with Morrigan, there should at least be a small ending blurb that what happens after that is a mystery.



This is neither a proper ending or cliffhanger, it's like cutting the cable in the last 30 seconds of the game when the score is tied and your team is about to try for a field goal to win the game.



As it stands, as far as I'm concerned, Any character that doesn't go through the portal must just stand there slackjawed staring at the portal until they starve to death.

[Pygmali0n]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

I wouldn't say that is a fact. I see a lot more "OMG WITCH HUNT IS AWESOMESAUCE" than threads like these. I think the DLC was about a 7/10. Probably could of been a 9 or 10 if that had weeded out the bugs, and actually you know revealed some secrets. I think everyone before Witch Hunt had came to the conclusion Flemeth is a bad moon rising. That really wasn't shocking or new news.

What you say is obviously and evidently wrong - I can't believe I actually had a browse over the forum subject titles to confirm it. Moreover the majority of comments in threads are negative.

And good luck finding a 7/10 review for WH.

Another guy blindly in love with Morrigan? Is Flemeth bad? Is Morrigan trustworthy?

EDIT - huh, just found this http://blog.bioware....velation-comic/

in this thread: http://social.biowar...index/4755173/1

This is such a game-changing moment and should have been in Origins.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Adynata]

I don't care enough about Leliana or Morrigan to get either of those DLCs and now I'm glad for it after hearing that nothing was really resolved.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Let me get this straight: you guys honestly expected a definite conclusion to the Morrigan story in a mere DLC, when said story was obviously meant to span most - if not all - of the series' length from the very beginning?

That being said, it actually does provide some closure you didn't get in the main game, either allowing the Warden and Morrigan to finally part on whatever terms you like and even more so if you choose to follow her (thus becoming what may be the most conclusive ending the series currently has, sans the Ultimate Sacrifice).

Now if you were to complain how BioWare didn't do anything about the paradoxes which result from importing an US Warden into Awakening, I'd say you have some ground to stand on. What I'm seeing here, however, is just a huge sense of entitlement and people knowing jack**** about what to expect from a story.

Sometimes I really wonder why most of the fanbase over here doesn't just stick to "Generic Shooter X" I so often find them bashing, if only for it giving them a story - albeit a simpler one - that does end with pretty much no loose ends.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[TJPags]

Why do people think that this Morrigan-Warden story is going to span the whole series?

First, not everyone did the DR, so not everyone has a child with Morrigan.

Second, in WH, you have the option to KILL her.



So, you have people who didn't do the DR, therefore don't have an Old God baby, and those who killed her (whether they did the DR or not) - so, ummm, how is Morrigan + Warden + OGB possibly going to be part of a continuing series? It invalidates everyone who didn't do the DR AND let her live at the end of WH.

[Pygmali0n]

No Kaiser - we expected what the Witch Hunt adverts told us to expect. Shadow Broker was far from conclusive yet was fun and satisfying, providing little conclusions whilst creating a whole new load of 'what is going to happen next?' Essentially what we expect is to be entertained - in one way or another - whether the writer wants us to be happy or sad, full of wonder, fear, full of love or hate for a character - not annoyance at being messed around - not the utter blandness and dismal story telling we were subjected to - what we were sold was a 2 minute plot progression whilst being told we can no longer direct that plot with our Warden.

Now usually I'd still trust BW completely. But given that since Origins everything has gone down hill - Awakening promised 'more of the same things you loved about Origins' and delivered mainly just on repeating the same combat, while what we really loved were the characters and their personal interactions - given that the devs have gone back on their promise about a 2 year follow-up - given that all sorts of loose ends are just being discarded - people have legitimate trust issues that a well-loved franchise won't provide a coherent story, and stories do still require endings of some sort. You get plenty of them in life too.

We were sold a grand moment in the DA universe - it did not feel like one.

Also I've only just found this: http://blog.bioware....velation-comic/ - that the devs had to leave out such important and revealing (and great - really) moments from the game reduces my confidence further. I shouldn't have to trawl the net for it.

As with any novel, the devs are free to write what they want - I'm not placing demands on them to give us the Warden to play with again - but understand that many many people feel like they have been sold x and been given y - and that this is a legitimate reaction. People spend a hell of a lot of time on these games and the nature of them is designed to make you emotionally involved. Some have been whining inappropriately, direct comments at them proportionately - besides many are teenagers with rampaging hormones - allow a little slack - and the level of frustration is in proportion to how brilliant Origins was.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 12 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

TJPags wrote...

Why do people think that this Morrigan-Warden story is going to span the whole series?

Morrigan and the Old God Child are obviously meant for the long term, even a Morrigan hater cannot deny that fact. Also note how she has plot immunity.

First, not everyone did the DR, so not everyone has a child with Morrigan.

True, but Morrigan appearing in future installments is likely not dependant on the DR being done. Look how once again those who sacrificed a fellow Warden are still able to continue the story into Witch Hunt without any paradoxes. The Wardens who sacrificed themselves were already somewhat screwed over in the story department with Awakening and I have no idea what will happen there, but I can bet you will still find Morrigan in that continuity.
 

Second, in WH, you have the option to KILL her.

No, you stab her and she falls through the mirror, unable to be reached by the Warden. YOU DON'T SEE THE WITCH DIE. If that doesn't say enough, I don't know what will. If you'd pull her back, stab her to death and see her draw her last breath, I'd say you have a point (ignoring how Flemeth has survived her possible death and that Morrigan probably knows how to as well,).

So, you have people who didn't do the DR, therefore don't have an Old God baby, and those who killed her (whether they did the DR or not) - so, ummm, how is Morrigan + Warden + OGB possibly going to be part of a continuing series? It invalidates everyone who didn't do the DR AND let her live at the end of WH.

I never said the Warden was going to be a part of the continuing series, as I expected him/her to die in the last DLC, minimizing the amount of possibilities for DA2 and ignoring the difficulty of implementing a mute major character into a sequel, with a mention of "the Hero of Ferelden" or "the Teyrn of Gwaren" being all we'd get alongside some references to his/her bigger choices. Seems like the Warden's role might be bigger than that, though.

Only a fool would deny Morrigan's role in continued series, though, and the same goes for the child if it exists.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 septembre 2010 - 08:45 .

[TJPags]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Why do people think that this Morrigan-Warden story is going to span the whole series?

Morrigan and the Old God Child are obviously meant for the long term, even a Morrigan hater cannot deny that fact. Also note how she has plot immunity.

There IS no OGB if you don't do the DR.  So, ummm, making it Canon disenfranchises everyone who didn't do that.  (As a side note, I don't hate Morrigan - love me some witch.  Just don't like when games retroactively make something canon)

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

First, not everyone did the DR, so not everyone has a child with Morrigan.

True, but Morrigan appearing in future installments is likely not dependant on the DR being done. Look how once again those who sacrificed a fellow Warden are still able to continue the story into Witch Hunt without any paradoxes. The Wardens who sacrificed themselves were already somewhat screwed over in the story department with Awakening and I have no idea what will happen there, but I can bet you will still find Morrigan in that continuity.
 

I don't understand how you equate someone sacrificing a fellow warden to morrigan not being dependant on the DR.  Of course you can still have Morrigan running around if, say, Alistair killed archie and died.  What's one got to do with the other? 

Same with a dead Warden - it has no impact on whether Morrigan lives, dies, sets up a muffin shop or schemes to rule the world.  Hell, you can play WH with an Orlesian Warden from Awakening, or create a new one just for WH.  Again, Morrigan alive has nothing to do with whether you did the DR.  I concede that, though I don't think I ever disputed it.

I dispute the OGB being alive.  And wouldn't you agree the whole Morrigan storyline loses a bit of something (for future games, anyway) without the OGB?

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Second, in WH, you have the option to KILL her.

No, you stab her and she falls through the mirror, unable to be reached by the Warden. YOU DON'T SEE THE WITCH DIE. If that doesn't say enough, I don't know what will. If you'd pull her back, stab her to death and see her draw her last breath, I'd say you have a point (ignoring how Flemeth has survived her possible death and that Morrigan probably knows how to as well,).

Oh for the love of . .  .are you going to argue Duncan is alive too?  After all, we never saw him breathe his last, nor did we ever find his decomposed corpse.  And Morrigan is no Flemeth - as she made clear in Origins, and more so in WH.

It's clearly played out as a kill her ending - if they want to change that, in some "oh, but you didn't see her actually stop breathing" way, well, that's their choice.  But it's a damn dumb choice, IMO.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So, you have people who didn't do the DR, therefore don't have an Old God baby, and those who killed her (whether they did the DR or not) - so, ummm, how is Morrigan + Warden + OGB possibly going to be part of a continuing series? It invalidates everyone who didn't do the DR AND let her live at the end of WH.

I never said the Warden was going to be a part of the continuing series, as I expected him/her to die in the last DLC, minimizing the amount of possibilities for DA2 and ignoring the difficulty of implementing a mute major character into a sequel, with a mention of "the Hero of Ferelden" or "the Teyrn of Gwaren" being all we'd get alongside some references to his/her bigger choices. Seems like the Warden's role might be bigger than that, though.

But he didn't die.  He even has the choice of riding off into the portal sunset with her.  How do you explain his/her absence in a future game, then? 

What exactly IS the Morrigan storyline without a) the Warden or the OGB?

Kaiser Shepard wrote...Only a fool would deny Morrigan's role in continued series, though, and the same goes for the child if it exists.

I just don't see where Morrigan has a major role in anything without the OGB, and to a lesser extent, the Warden.

[LtlMac]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Let me get this straight: you guys honestly expected a definite conclusion to the Morrigan story in a mere DLC, when said story was obviously meant to span most - if not all - of the series' length from the very beginning?

That being said, it actually does provide some closure you didn't get in the main game, either allowing the Warden and Morrigan to finally part on whatever terms you like and even more so if you choose to follow her (thus becoming what may be the most conclusive ending the series currently has, sans the Ultimate Sacrifice).

Now if you were to complain how BioWare didn't do anything about the paradoxes which result from importing an US Warden into Awakening, I'd say you have some ground to stand on. What I'm seeing here, however, is just a huge sense of entitlement and people knowing jack**** about what to expect from a story.

Sometimes I really wonder why most of the fanbase over here doesn't just stick to "Generic Shooter X" I so often find them bashing, if only for it giving them a story - albeit a simpler one - that does end with pretty much no loose ends.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your arrogance only further amplifies your obvious ignorance.  Congrats on being happy with your time and money.   Most of us aren't and have stated facts to back up our opinions.  We don't play 'generic shooter X' specifically because we enjoy involved stories.  This was not that.  See my many previous post for reasons why. 

Oh, and just a piece of advice....running around with your nose in the air may make you feel self important....but to everybody else you're just a tool.  GL in life when you figure that outl.

[Kaiser Shepard]

[quote]TJPags wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]TJPags wrote...

Why do people think that this Morrigan-Warden story is going to span the whole series?[/quote]
Morrigan and the Old God Child are obviously meant for the long term, even a Morrigan hater cannot deny that fact. Also note how she has plot immunity.
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There IS no OGB if you don't do the DR.  So, ummm, making it Canon disenfranchises everyone who didn't do that.  (As a side note, I don't hate Morrigan - love me some witch.  Just don't like when games retroactively make something canon)[/quote]
Of course I meant "...and the OGC if it exists..." as far as the child goes.


[quote]TJPags wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...



[quote]First, not everyone did the DR, so not everyone has a child with Morrigan.[/quote]
True, but Morrigan appearing in future installments is likely not dependant on the DR being done. Look how once again those who sacrificed a fellow Warden are still able to continue the story into Witch Hunt without any paradoxes. The Wardens who sacrificed themselves were already somewhat screwed over in the story department with Awakening and I have no idea what will happen there, but I can bet you will still find Morrigan in that continuity.
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I don't understand how you equate someone sacrificing a fellow warden to morrigan not being dependant on the DR.  Of course you can still have Morrigan running around if, say, Alistair killed archie and died.  What's one got to do with the other? 

Same with a dead Warden - it has no impact on whether Morrigan lives, dies, sets up a muffin shop or schemes to rule the world.  Hell, you can play WH with an Orlesian Warden from Awakening, or create a new one just for WH.  Again, Morrigan alive has nothing to do with whether you did the DR.  I concede that, though I don't think I ever disputed it.

I dispute the OGB being alive.  And wouldn't you agree the whole Morrigan storyline loses a bit of something (for future games, anyway) without the OGB?[/quote]

Well, you started about how she could not have a child. Her story losing something without the child being there is subjective, though. Her plan doesn't succeed, but that doesn't mean the story is over for her.


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[quote]Second, in WH, you have the option to KILL her.[/quote]
No, you stab her and she falls through the mirror, unable to be reached by the Warden. YOU DON'T SEE THE WITCH DIE. If that doesn't say enough, I don't know what will. If you'd pull her back, stab her to death and see her draw her last breath, I'd say you have a point (ignoring how Flemeth has survived her possible death and that Morrigan probably knows how to as well,).
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Oh for the love of . .  .are you going to argue Duncan is alive too?  After all, we never saw him breathe his last, nor did we ever find his decomposed corpse.  And Morrigan is no Flemeth - as she made clear in Origins, and more so in WH.

It's clearly played out as a kill her ending - if they want to change that, in some "oh, but you didn't see her actually stop breathing" way, well, that's their choice.  But it's a damn dumb choice, IMO.[/quote]

No, I'm not going to say that Duncan is alive, because Duncan wasn't a witch that fell through a magical mirror that leads to Maker knows where when he was "killed".

Gaider's not going to let you kill off his little favorite in a DLC, that whould be sheer madness, especially when the continued story is likely written with her in mind.


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[quote]So, you have people who didn't do the DR, therefore don't have an Old God baby, and those who killed her (whether they did the DR or not) - so, ummm, how is Morrigan + Warden + OGB possibly going to be part of a continuing series? It invalidates everyone who didn't do the DR AND let her live at the end of WH.[/quote]
I never said the Warden was going to be a part of the continuing series, as I expected him/her to die in the last DLC, minimizing the amount of possibilities for DA2 and ignoring the difficulty of implementing a mute major character into a sequel, with a mention of "the Hero of Ferelden" or "the Teyrn of Gwaren" being all we'd get alongside some references to his/her bigger choices. Seems like the Warden's role might be bigger than that, though.[/quote]

But he didn't die.  He even has the choice of riding off into the portal sunset with her.  How do you explain his/her absence in a future game, then? 

What exactly IS the Morrigan storyline without a) the Warden or the OGB?[/quote]

I cannot, I have absolutely no ****ing idea how they play to implement the Warden into future games. Too many variables.


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[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...Only a fool would deny Morrigan's role in continued series, though, and the same goes for the child if it exists.[/quote]

I just don't see where Morrigan has a major role in anything without the OGB, and to a lesser extent, the Warden.
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But neither do you see what her role WITH the Old God Child (or normal Child) will exactly be, that's the "beauty" of Dragon Age: the story can go pretty much anywhere with anything.