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[True Zarken]

I forgot she did Final Fantasy XIII <_<

-20 TrueZarken Disapproves /joke

Anyway it's a good read (Her Liara parts anyway) and thanks OP

Modifié par True Zarken, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:02 .

[numotsbane]

Tali is a completely different character from ME1 to ME2. I absolutely loathe her in ME1, in ME2 she is acceptable. She seems to have become funnier, more competent, and less whiney in those two years.

*sigh* now I've angered the tali fans, I apologise for my opinion in advance.

I'm fine with the change in Liara, especially after LotSB, but it does seem a little strange that the Dev team didn't communicate how and why those changes happenned to the VA. is it possible that they hadn't exaclty nailed down the story of what had happenned to her in those two years, but that they knew they wanted her to become darker? I'm sure theres a reason, even if it isn't a particularly good one.

[True Zarken]

Haha don't sweat it mate. I'm a Tali fan and I can see why you'd say that so don't sweat it  Isn't that the point of the forums to voice your opinion?

Sorry for the segway continue!

Modifié par True Zarken, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:17 .

[Aradace]

It's evident that Ali doesnt/hasnt read the graphic novels....Perhaps she should so as to do more "homework" on her own character yea?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Aradace wrote...

It's evident that Ali doesnt/hasnt read the graphic novels....Perhaps she should so as to do more "homework" on her own character yea?

And its obvious to anyone who has actually read the graphic novels that they advance fully jack spit about Lairas character in ME2.

I dont think knowing the intracacies of the banal "excuse" that kept Liara out of ME2 would have helped her all that much. The comic wasnt about being a glorious fountain of development and backstory for Liara. It was an action oriented comic that tied into the game a little bit, and is also pretty damn brief. Its a cash grab more than anything.

Clearly its you who is in need of the "homework" when it comes to redemption.

[Aradace]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Aradace wrote...

It's evident that Ali doesnt/hasnt read the graphic novels....Perhaps she should so as to do more "homework" on her own character yea?

And its obvious to anyone who has actually read the graphic novels that they advance fully jack spit about Lairas character in ME2.

I dont think knowing the intracacies of the banal "excuse" that kept Liara out of ME2 would have helped her all that much. The comic wasnt about being a glorious fountain of development and backstory for Liara. It was an action oriented comic that tied into the game a little bit, and is also pretty damn brief. Its a cash grab more than anything.

Clearly its you who is in need of the "homework" when it comes to redemption.

*shrugs* I wasnt trying to incite the fanbois but whatever lol.....Looking at what she said though, I dont think she wants to imply too much of her "frustration" because given EA/BioWare's mentality of late, I can see them axing Ali and just hiring someone who sounds similar to her but without the "reservations" of where Liara's character is going. 

I personally like Liara's new "mentality".  And if it carries over into ME3, I may even start liking her as a character.  LotSB did a lot for that as well.  I almost found myself liking her as a character.  So IMO, keep the new "attitude" Liara has and justify it by her being in her new role as the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Aradace, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:47 .

[upsettingshorts]

Yeah, I seem to recall Liara mentioning the fact she was a child by Asari standards in ME1 - and the events of that game plus the following two years of her life was simply part of her growing up. You know, being in the real world with bad people as opposed to by herself at dig sites.



Liara in ME2 and LOTSB is fine by me, confused VAs aside.

[APZonerunner]

Hey guys. I'm from that site. I didn't write the review, but I did edit it.

This interview was conducted a while back - late June and early July across a couple of sessions over the phone. It was literally the longest interview I've ever seen before editing, the phone calls were about five hours total. I don't know if she had actually recorded Shadow Broker at the time, and, at that point we didn't know it was coming and we didn't think to ask. Well... we did ask about her working on DLC and it was a no comment, as of course, they're not allowed to talk about this stuff before time.

What I can say is we've done two interviews and are very friendly with Mark Meer (Male Shep), and he confirmed that he'd done recording for several DLC packs as far back as March last year. Here's the Mark Interview Links - Mark Interview 1 / Mark Interview 2. He has stuff to say on the subject as well, but his comments are overwhelmingly positive. It may just be the case that Ali had a bit of a rough experience because, as we all know now, Liara's role in ME2 was in flux for a while (with that canned opening to the game with her and Legion and stuff). But I'd definitely suggest reading Mark's interviews, they give a deeper insight into the recording process than Ali's, as Mark was there for all of it. FF13 was what made us track down Ali, not ME.

Any other questions - things which we may have to cut that weren't off the record - I'd be happy to answer.

[numotsbane]

Its also possible that Redemption wasn't even out, So she couldn't research it before recording. besides, I've read redemption and even by comic book story standards its average. by ME standards, very average.

Also, props to Ali for managing to do quite good work despite her confusion.

[Fraevar]

Deviija wrote...

I think it really is simply a difference in approach between dev teams. I'm glad Ali shared her honest thoughts in the interviews, and that we were not the only people to find Liara's change in personality so abrupt and left field. And really, from the sound of it, they didn't even give Ali pertinent info like what Liara's been up to in the two years of Shepard's dead, and her personal adventures, and Feron, and etc. LotSB helps, but this is coming at it from very late in the game, so to speak.

I agree - as nice as LotSB is, I still can't shake the feeling that it should have been in the game to begin with, period. If the VS DLC ever materializes it's just further proof in my view that ME2 should've been released 9-12 months later.

[SomeBug]

9-12 months later? Thank God you aren't a business exec.

[Axeface]

Liara's change never annoyed me. People change, drastically sometimes. I've seen it in real life.

I dont see what all the whining is about.

[implodinggoat]

I'm not surprised Ali was just as confused by Liara as the rest of us were. Even after beating LOTSB, the changes to her character still confuse the hell out of me, although they are at least more palatable now.



In ME2 I think she did about as well as could be expected considering the terrible dialogue the writers handed her; but in the LOTSB DLC she does an awesome job.



Even though the underlying character change which motivates Lair of the Shadow Broker is still contrived and bizarre the dialogue in LOTSB actually fits Liara's character and its pretty clear that Ali understood Liara's feelings and motivations this time around. In fact Liara's dialogue is really the most exceptional part of the whole DLC.



I still don't like the direction that Bioware has taken Liara (I still want to see her go back to archeology at some point); but Liara's presence in LOTSB reminded me why I loved her character so much in ME1.

[Synobal]

Seems to me they should of given her more info as to what was going on with Liara.

[implodinggoat]

Axeface wrote...

Liara's change never annoyed me. People change, drastically sometimes. I've seen it in real life.
I dont see what all the whining is about.

People change; but when they do there is a reason for it.  ME2 gives you no justifiable reason for Liara undergoing such a drastic change.  There is no logical transformation from the character she was in ME1 to the character she is in ME2.  She simply acts one way in the first game and then in the second she turns into an entirely different character with a bizzarre and completely unjustified obsession.

Consider....

[SPOILERS]

In ME1 she made the most important archeological discovery EVER.  A discovery which shows that the entire galaxy is in extreme danger and a discovery which the ruling powers of the galaxy have choosen to ignore despite the fact that doing so is risking the lives of billions of people.

Then in ME2 rather than continuing her life's work and proving the existence of the reapers she abandons her life's work and devotes herself to avenging some dude
who she went on one mission with and who lied to her for almost the entire mission about the fact he was working for Cerberus.

And then when her former Commander (who saved her life on two seperate occassions, who's remains she risked her life to recover  and who was very possibly her lover) returns and asks her to continue her life's work by helping to save the galaxy, the single most intelligent and benevolent character in ME1 turns him down so she can continue her quest to avenge some random dude who she went on one mission with.

Now I'm sorry but that makes no ****ing sense whatsoever.

[END SPOILERS]

Modifié par implodinggoat, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[Siansonea]

I think Liara's disconnectedness kinda works, it makes her feel a bit less human. Asari emotions wouldn't necessarily track the same way as human emotions, so having some odd moments here and there is kind of a good thing. I also like how matter-of-fact Aria can be, and how Samara can be proud of her daughter while hunting her down to kill her. It shows that aliens have some emotional complexity. With Liara, there are so many factors that play into her state of mind, and there's probably a fair amount of ambivalence toward Shepard even, that it makes sense she would sort of clamp down on her emotions a bit and focus on the next task at hand in her quest to make things right. I like that Liara in ME2 didn't just pick up where she left off in ME1, and the same goes for Ashley, Kaidan, and Captain Anderson. You can't be absent for 2 years and expect everyone to jump into a cuddle puddle with you.

[Schneidend]

They obviously didn't bother to let her know Liara had her own spin-off comic book. The interview is not indicative of anything besides that.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

implodinggoat wrote...

I'm not surprised Ali was just as confused by Liara as the rest of us were. Even after beating LOTSB, the changes to her character still confuse the hell out of me, although they are at least more palatable now.

In ME2 I think she did about as well as could be expected considering the terrible dialogue the writers handed her; but in the LOTSB DLC she does an awesome job.

Even though the underlying character change which motivates Lair of the Shadow Broker is still contrived and bizarre the dialogue in LOTSB actually fits Liara's character and its pretty clear that Ali understood Liara's feelings and motivations this time around. In fact Liara's dialogue is really the most exceptional part of the whole DLC.

I still don't like the direction that Bioware has taken Liara (I still want to see her go back to archeology at some point); but Liara's presence in LOTSB reminded me why I loved her character so much in ME1.

Yeah, pretty much this. I think the difference between LotSB and the main game is simply they actually put the effort into committing Liara to this change. Its not necessarily grounds for liking it, since its still pretty shaky foundations, but they at least made the effort this time, instead of just a half-assed explanation and a "thatll do" finish.

And again, I ask people why they thing that miniscule little comic is of any importance at all?

Maybe if you actually paid attention during her dialogue, you will remember that she *summarises* the comic for the player for crying out loud. Reading the comic doesnt change anything. It just puts the flimsy and stupid reasoning in paper form and you have to pay to read it.

[Destroy Raiden_]

But when I saw Garrus I was shocked but after having him on the ship for a while I got why he changed and if I look back he was headed that way I even had a creepy thought that if he keeps running around and murdering people like he does he's going to become just like Saren and I'm not happy at all with that I'm trying really hard to work out his anger issues but I'll find out in 3 if its paid off.



Liara's persona was a huge shift being she was my LI in 1 I was hoping so badly to see her she was like the one person in the galaxy I wanted to see the most then I find her and it was heart breaking they way she acted in SB I get to see more of what she held onto and the grief it was causing her and it made sense I'm glad she decided to open up to me while I'm w/ Tali now I wish she didn't break my heart in 2 otherwise I would've stayed w/ her. Her shoving me away put us on two different paths and she right when she says we're different now and I see that. I can now say I forgive her and understand her change I hope she recovers in 3 but we'll find out.



Tali I like her change I'm proud of her change her leading her own squad it was an exciting and welcome change for her I'm a little worried they may make her admiral and take her off my ship though I really hope not or if she's nominated maybe she'll say no?



As far as Ashly and Kaiden I don't dlc is going to make me feel any more different towards them they called me a traitor weather my fshep romanced kaiden or not she's not going back to him.

[Jonas TM]

implodinggoat wrote...

I'm not surprised Ali was just as confused by Liara as the rest of us were. Even after beating LOTSB, the changes to her character still confuse the hell out of me, although they are at least more palatable now.

In ME2 I think she did about as well as could be expected considering the terrible dialogue the writers handed her; but in the LOTSB DLC she does an awesome job.

Even though the underlying character change which motivates Lair of the Shadow Broker is still contrived and bizarre the dialogue in LOTSB actually fits Liara's character and its pretty clear that Ali understood Liara's feelings and motivations this time around. In fact Liara's dialogue is really the most exceptional part of the whole DLC.

I still don't like the direction that Bioware has taken Liara (I still want to see her go back to archeology at some point); but Liara's presence in LOTSB reminded me why I loved her character so much in ME1.

I have roughly the same feeling.  I understand the motivations better and with LotSB things make quite a bit more sense and are more fleshed out.  However, I care less for the new Liara, than I did the old one.  I prefer the curious, wide-eyes, scientist that was willing to risk everything to save the galaxy in ME1 to the dismissive, vengeful, dealer of ME2.  It appears that for whatever reasons her motivations, priorities, and attitude have completely shifted.  Some of this can be acounted for by the events between the two games, but defiinately not all of it.

I also agree that the comics don't really do much to explain her motivations.  They just give a fairly brief account of what happened in terms of getting Shepard's body.

I greatly enjoyed LotSB and the fact that some of the old Liara peeked out, but even then it just really served to show how much she changed.  Now that she has accomplished her mission, I would really like to see a shift back towards the old Liara with ME3, but I don't think that is likely going to happen.

[Annihilator27]

Terror_K wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Liara in the main game of ME2 sucked, this was however corrected in LotSB and I is very happy.

I do have to say that LotSB definitely made up for things. I kind of understood in a way after reading the comic and analysing things a little more, but LotSB really did fill in some missing pieces and even allowed Liara to grow and change a little within that as well, thanks to Shepard.

I agree as well.

[Turian Antiquarian]

I can't think of a single sentence she could have said, that would have made this interview more unethical without her violating the terms of her contract.

And if, like someone posted here, she ever made that one comparison between 2 Studios
In terms of directing, while on an interview..... Speechless....

It is very possible that I am missing something, or that there's something I just don't know about this, I have only read the interview and this thread, but what I got was something like this:

"Hey, since I know that Bioware depends on me for their precious character continuity, Why not pretend that all I'm saying here, is not a petty violently-unprofessional payback for my "on-set" frustration, and NOT just an understandable lapse of judgment made by a concerned fan. Without, of course, forgetting to drop a city-busting bomb on any Liara fans, by "gently" insinuating that I recorded A LOT more than what finely made the cut"


EDIT: I wish Bioware would "PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONALCHARGE"(ME2 EULA), that would allow me to just shoot Liara in the head instead of saying "you're flaying people alive now?". Just to freak people out that ther'e a slim chance that it would become canon instead of LotSB some day.

Modifié par Turian Antiquarian, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

With the persona shift she's had I don't think its possible for her to go back to the innocent Liara we all loved it is impossible and would not make sense not now. Its like watching some one you care about get killed gruesomely then being expected to go back and be the happy carefree person you once where, not possible.

[BlackFox26]

read the whole interview and was surprised at the approach that bioware and the people *directing* Ali took to leave her in the dark about what was really happening (ME 2). Hoping it would reflect the uncertainty warranted at the time. Not being with her old team, what happened with faren, trackin the best of the best shadowbroker, your just not the same after that, and they probably thought telling her right away wouldn't be right for that transition.

Or they thought she was just so professional and amazing, which she is, that it would be natural and not necessary to fulfill her new *role* because before they told all about liara, and now that they didn't thats where i draw my conclusion.

The way Square enix handled lightning and her va was naturally what i thought bioware did for both mass effects, but its just probably a difference bioware thought would work out for the better in ME 2.

Now that its all said and done, and people voiced their opinions about liara's change, even if warranted by what happened in redemption, everything must've came back to perfection because lair of the shadowbroker dlc pretty much brought it back  to the true liara and it shows with reviews and universal praise.. The change was a needed step, and was still all in all done well by the talented Ali Hillis

Modifié par BlackFox26, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Interesting interview, though I take it it took place prior to LOTSB?