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[JnEricsonx]

Discuss.

[AntiChri5]

Depends.

[numotsbane]

JnEricsonx, I swear you exist only to test my ability to use the search function .

Modifié par numotsbane, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[JnEricsonx]

Sorry, but sometimes when I use search, it shows everything from 7-8 months ago, nothing more recent.

[numotsbane]

its cool.

no, on this one its a fair call, there aren't any discussions just focused on this. they're all hidden away in other threads. I think there's an ED sentinel thread somewhere, other than that there's My particular look at ED vs Overload on a sentinel.

Sentinel, I think, is the only class where you'd drop overload for ED

[Pacifien]

I go with Energy Drain on my Infiltrator. Paired with Incinerate, gives me a nice armor/shield tech combo. Not to mention the replenishing of shields. Don't bother with it if my class already has Overload. Sure, the replenishing of shields is nice, but Overload is similar enough, there are other things I could be doing with my bonus power slot. Overload also comes with a Sabotage side effect when you take it to Level 3.

[Pacifien]

With the shield boost you can get with a Sentinel's Assault Armor, still don't see why you'd go with Energy Drain over Overload. Not unless you really want to maximize both Throw and Warp, I guess.

[lazuli]

Pacifien wrote...

With the shield boost you can get with a Sentinel's Assault Armor, still don't see why you'd go with Energy Drain over Overload. Not unless you really want to maximize both Throw and Warp, I guess.

Or unless you want to run through Overlord with your eyes closed.

Edit: Ah.  Assault Armor.  I usually combine Energy Drain with Power Armor.  My bad.

Modifié par lazuli, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:13 .

[Homebound]

Energy Drain.



Overload damages shields and synthetics, Energy Drain DRAINS the shields of your enemies and adds it on to your own.

[PsyrenY]

Pacifien wrote...

I go with Energy Drain on my Infiltrator. Paired with Incinerate, gives me a nice armor/shield tech combo. Not to mention the replenishing of shields. Don't bother with it if my class already has Overload. Sure, the replenishing of shields is nice, but Overload is similar enough, there are other things I could be doing with my bonus power slot. Overload also comes with a Sabotage side effect when you take it to Level 3.

I'd say that Disruptor Ammo is better than Overload in every appreciable way. You should be using your cooldowns to continually cloak instead. It also frees up your bonus power for Warp Ammo/AP/GSB etc.

Just_mike wrote...

Energy Drain.

Overload damages shields and synthetics, Energy Drain DRAINS the shields of your enemies and adds it on to your own.

However, ED does not overheat weapons (forces enemies to duck into cover) nor can it cause barrels/gas tanks to critical mass.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[Homebound]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I go with Energy Drain on my Infiltrator. Paired with Incinerate, gives me a nice armor/shield tech combo. Not to mention the replenishing of shields. Don't bother with it if my class already has Overload. Sure, the replenishing of shields is nice, but Overload is similar enough, there are other things I could be doing with my bonus power slot. Overload also comes with a Sabotage side effect when you take it to Level 3.

I'd say that Disruptor Ammo is better than Overload in every appreciable way. You should be using your cooldowns to continually cloak instead. It also frees up your bonus power for Warp Ammo/AP/GSB etc.

Just_mike wrote...

Energy Drain.

Overload damages shields and synthetics, Energy Drain DRAINS the shields of your enemies and adds it on to your own.

However, ED does not overheat weapons (forces enemies to duck into cover) nor can it cause barrels/gas tanks to critical mass.

thats what Disruptor ammo and hiding behind walls is for. *Soldier class' opinion*

[Adhin]

To be fair, Energy Drain heals your shield for any damage it does. It is only capable of harming shields and synthedic HP bars. Everything else it wont do squat to. Overload on the other hand harms everything and does x2 vs Shields (plus the other effects).

Now its not a huge life-saver button like Energy Drain can be (which it can be a HUGE life saver/tank ability) but it at least is a tad more universal if you lack other abilities to tare down defenses more quickly. So I tend to be in the camp of if you have Overload, its kinda pointless to go Energy Drain. Other wise if that's the kinda ability you want on another class lacking it - by all means it'll work wonders for ya.

-edit-
As for Disruptor Ammo, that also ONLY effects shields, the bonus dmg wont harm anything else.

Modifié par Adhin, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Collider]

Energy Drain is literally just Overload with shield draining.

[Athenau]

To be fair, Energy Drain heals your shield for any damage it does. It is only capable of harming shields and synthedic HP bars. Everything else it wont do squat to. Overload on the other hand harms everything and does x2 vs Shields (plus the other effects).

No. Overload damages exactly the same things that ED does: shields, synthetic health, armor, and barriers. The only thing overload does that ED doesn't is overheat weapons, which is a waste of a cooldown on Shepherd (ok on squadmates occasionally).

So I tend to be in the camp of if you have Overload, its kinda pointless to go Energy Drain

ED is always better than overload for the player.  It's a ridiculous power TBH.  The only problem is that you waste points getting it on an engineer, since overload is a prereq for other powers.

As for Disruptor Ammo, that also ONLY effects shields, the bonus dmg wont harm anything else.

No. Disruptor ammo damages synthetic health as well.

Modifié par Athenau, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:29 .

[Adhin]

Overload can harm health, armor and barriers. It just does a horribly crappy job of it. I make Kasumi use her Overload on gun ships and the like just to get in some extra 'minor' damage. Its only a sliver but it does damage regardless. Energy Drain does not.

and right Disruptor also hurts synthedics. I just ment unlike most other powers, Energy Drain and Ammo powers will only effect what they say they do. Where as Warp, for instance, will harm Shields - it just doesn't do as good a job at that.

Modifié par Adhin, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:34 .

[Athenau]

No. You are wrong. ED and overload damage the same things. This has been tested by several people.

[Khuutra]

I roll Energy Drain on my Sentinel, andn until Stasis I used it on my Adept too.



I like being more or less invincible and not having to wait for my shields to recharge.

[Athenau]

With the shield boost you can get with a Sentinel's Assault Armor, still don't see why you'd go with Energy Drain over Overload. Not unless you really want to maximize both Throw and Warp, I guess.

Uh, energy drain's passive buff and tech armor is a match made in heaven. That's another 300 shields for ~20-25 seconds after you drain someone, and you can regen your gigantic shield pool at will with tech armor.

[Adhin]

I must of not been paying enough attention when I was using ED I guess, I'll test it out some more. But I know Overload harms all bars just sucks at Armor/Barriers. Could sword ED only hurt syntethic's and shields. Oh well.

[Kronner]

When I play Sentinel with Assault Armor, I want it to go down to get the knockback pulse from it, so Energy Drain is not good power for that. Overload is useless too, way too long cooldown and if I want to strip shields I just use squadmates for that. I put only one point into Overload (nowhere else to put anyways). On Engineer though, Energy Drain is far superior to Overload.

[Athenau]

But I know Overload harms all bars just sucks at Armor/Barriers. Could sword ED only hurt syntethic's and shields. Oh well.

Nope, overload doesn't do anything to organic health.

[Bozorgmehr]

Kronner wrote...

When I play Sentinel with Assault Armor, I want it to go down to get the knockback pulse from it, so Energy Drain is not good power for that. Overload is useless too, way too long cooldown and if I want to strip shields I just use squadmates for that. I put only one point into Overload (nowhere else to put anyways). On Engineer though, Energy Drain is far superior to Overload.

One point in Overload is a point well spend - detonating enemy Pyros never gets old

[numotsbane]

but if you want to detonate them through armour, you'll need to be an engineer. drone makes them turn around, and its almost impossible to miss those gas tanks then.

boom, ha ha.

in general overload v Energy drain is a mute point. you don't drop it for an engineer, and theres one particular (and admittedly fairly effective) playstyle for the sentinel where you drop overload and max ED in order to up the basic class talent of tech armour. other than that, we're talking in the abstract.

[PsyrenY]

Just_mike wrote...

thats what Disruptor ammo and hiding behind walls is for. *Soldier class' opinion*

My point exactly, and Infiltrators already get it. ED is nigh-pointless for them.

Athenau wrote...

Nope, overload doesn't do anything to organic health.

Not sure where you got that from, but Overload damages health.  Here a  Sentinel uses it to kill some heavies who continually use cover.

numotsbane wrote...

in general overload v Energy drain is a mute point. you don't drop it for an engineer, and theres one particular (and admittedly fairly effective) playstyle for the sentinel where you drop overload and max ED in order to up the basic class talent of tech armour. other than that, we're talking in the abstract.

I agree. And the main problems ED are twofold - it covers ground adequately covered by Overload/Disruptor in MOST instances, and it's a bonus power, therefore competing for the same slot as AP/Warp ammo, Reave, Stasis, FBG etc.

The one class it's really useful on is the Adept, who has no other way to deal with shields directly, but many people don't take it due to RP reasons, squadmates etc. It's even worse now that Adepts have Stasis instead to really mess up shielded enemies.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[Mr_Raider]

JnEricsonx wrote...

Sorry, but sometimes when I use search, it shows everything from 7-8 months ago, nothing more recent.

Google search is better than Bio forums search.