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[Ingrimm22]

Really guys, i've played ME 2 and DA pretty much back to back (incl. all DLC) and both games don't even exist on the same planet when it comes to production values. I mean the DLCs for both games look like they come from different developers. ME 2 DLC is really great and worth every penny or cent whereas most of the DA-DLCs where, well sub-par to say the least. "Awakening" was good (if not great) but the rest was a buggy and dissapointing mess which was in fact so bad, that it nearly damaged Origins in retrospect. Not to mention that the graphics in Origins (both artdirection and tech) where nowhere near as polished as in ME 2. I know you guys have very expensive delelopments going on at the moment (namely TOR and ME 3) but for pete's sake, show DA a little more love next time. It's worth it.

[Taleroth]

Origins was in development for something like 5 years. If parts of it seem dated, it wasn't for lack of budget. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the most expensive thing ever produced out of the Edmonton studio. (With TOR probably being more expensive, but in Austin)



As for the DLC, we've got like two threads already sharing that opinion.

[David Gaider]

Ingrimm22 wrote...
Really guys, i've played ME 2 and DA pretty much back to back (incl. all DLC) and both games don't even exist on the same planet when it comes to production values. I mean the DLCs for both games look like they come from different developers. ME 2 DLC is really great and worth every penny or cent whereas most of the DA-DLCs where, well sub-par to say the least. "Awakening" was good (if not great) but the rest was a buggy and dissapointing mess which was in fact so bad, that it nearly damaged Origins in retrospect. Not to mention that the graphics in Origins (both artdirection and tech) where nowhere near as polished as in ME 2. I know you guys have very expensive delelopments going on at the moment (namely TOR and ME 3) but for pete's sake, show DA a little more love next time. It's worth it.

I'm sure the Powers That Be appreciate the financial advice.

[Khayness]

David Gaider wrote...

I'm sure the Powers That Be appreciate the financial advice.

You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

[nightcobra]

David Gaider wrote...

Ingrimm22 wrote...
Really guys, i've played ME 2 and DA pretty much back to back (incl. all DLC) and both games don't even exist on the same planet when it comes to production values. I mean the DLCs for both games look like they come from different developers. ME 2 DLC is really great and worth every penny or cent whereas most of the DA-DLCs where, well sub-par to say the least. "Awakening" was good (if not great) but the rest was a buggy and dissapointing mess which was in fact so bad, that it nearly damaged Origins in retrospect. Not to mention that the graphics in Origins (both artdirection and tech) where nowhere near as polished as in ME 2. I know you guys have very expensive delelopments going on at the moment (namely TOR and ME 3) but for pete's sake, show DA a little more love next time. It's worth it.

I'm sure the Powers That Be appreciate the financial advice.

shall we do a petition for more development funds, or even donating?:happy:

[ErichHartmann]

slimgrin wrote...

Ingrimm22 wrote...

I know you guys have very expensive delelopments going on at the moment (namely TOR and ME 3)

Jettison TOR. Problem solved.

Yep.....

Nobody is going to mimic Warcraft's juggernaut success anytime soon.  TOR will need millions of accounts to be a real hit.

[Taleroth]

Khayness wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I'm sure the Powers That Be appreciate the financial advice.

You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

He didn't get an MD to be called Mr.!

[David Gaider]

Khayness wrote...
You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

Fans have no problem asking someone else to invest their money on something they want. If that company goes bankrupt, the fan has lost nothing-- they got a good game out of it, give a salute to a fallen company and move on to the next one.

That's nice, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm certain that if it was your money that was on the line-- more than the 60-odd dollars you put up to buy the game, I mean-- you might feel a little differently about it.

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

[Dynamomark]

I say bump up the budget on beta testing. That concerns me more than anything else at this point.

I also recommend a questionnaire at the beginning of DA2 that would properly set up the story flags.

[Meltemph]

I found DAO's DLC much more fun personally, outside of this last ME DLC that is, this last ME DLC I will admit is quite kickass.

[Sternchen]

David Gaider wrote...


Fans have no problem asking someone else to invest their money on something they want. If that company goes bankrupt, the fan has lost nothing-- they got a good game out of it, give a salute to a fallen company and move on to the next one.

That's nice, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm certain that if it was your money that was on the line-- more than the 60-odd dollars you put up to buy the game, I mean-- you might feel a little differently about it.

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

I agree with you. I lead with my husband a little company too. And of course, everybody would be happy, if we would do a 10€-note in every customers package, but the reality is so, that all companys must have teir budget in focus. I´m sure, that you will do it right, because you are the experts!

[eyesofastorm]

David Gaider wrote...

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

I don't know... there seems to me to be a vast disconnect between decision makers for major corporations and common sense.  The only concern is making the stock holders happy.  The stock holders are made happy by seeing a continuous year over year rise in profits.  Common sense dictates that profits cannot rise year over year continuously into infinity.  There has to be a point where a company is satisfied with its profits and invests itself in it's customers or it's community or simply the future beyond the current fiscal year.  Yet everywhere we look, we see this is not the case.  How about enron?  How about the bursting of the housing bubble leading to the failure or near failure of major banks?  How about AIG risking not just their own failure, but the collapse of a global economy to pursue short term profits?  Where was the common sense there?

[Faz432]

David Gaider wrote...

Khayness wrote...
You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

Fans have no problem asking someone else to invest their money on something they want. If that company goes bankrupt, the fan has lost nothing-- they got a good game out of it, give a salute to a fallen company and move on to the next one.

That's nice, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm certain that if it was your money that was on the line-- more than the 60-odd dollars you put up to buy the game, I mean-- you might feel a little differently about it.

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

If had had lots of money I'd give it you.....actually no I wouldn't, I'd setup my own studio and get you to work for me. How much can you setup a studio on?

I wonder if the guys at Bioware had thought about that when EA bought them...are there things in place that stop people from doing that?

"Thanks for your money EA, now we're all going to leave and setup our own studio together"

Modifié par Faz432, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[silentassassin264]

David Gaider wrote...

Khayness wrote...
You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

Fans have no problem asking someone else to invest their money on something they want. If that company goes bankrupt, the fan has lost nothing-- they got a good game out of it, give a salute to a fallen company and move on to the next one.

That's nice, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm certain that if it was your money that was on the line-- more than the 60-odd dollars you put up to buy the game, I mean-- you might feel a little differently about it.

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

So if I go out a buy a ton of EA (or would it be Bioware?) stocks to demonstrate I have invested myself in the company, you would do what I asked? 


Lol, don't worry.  Enron stole my money set aside for that.

[biomag]

David Gaider wrote...

Khayness wrote...
You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

Fans have no problem asking someone else to invest their money on something they want. If that company goes bankrupt, the fan has lost nothing-- they got a good game out of it, give a salute to a fallen company and move on to the next one.

That's nice, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm certain that if it was your money that was on the line-- more than the 60-odd dollars you put up to buy the game, I mean-- you might feel a little differently about it.

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

No question about that. But also for a companies longevity its necessary to keep fans satisfied as returning customers are cheaper than gaining new ones. Additionally a bad reputation being spread by former fans isn't the best way to insure a companies success. Now, nothing about what I said is any news, but please BioWare spend a little more money on pre-release testing for DA than so far. Pretty much every addition to the main game has been a mess when it comes to bugs. Just to prevent disasters like the grand finale of "Witch Hunt".

[David Gaider]

biomag wrote...
No question about that. But also for a companies longevity its necessary to keep fans satisfied as returning customers are cheaper than gaining new ones. Additionally a bad reputation being spread by former fans isn't the best way to insure a companies success. Now, nothing about what I said is any news, but please BioWare spend a little more money on pre-release testing for DA than so far. Pretty much every addition to the main game has been a mess when it comes to bugs. Just to prevent disasters like the grand finale of "Witch Hunt".

Big companies have their own brand of "common sense" too, no question. All I'm saying is that throwing money at a problem is rarely a solution outside of a fan's desire. Quality is always going to be a concern, from every angle. Saying "make it better" is a bit of a no-brainer, don't you think?

[SirShreK]

David Gaider wrote...

Big companies have their own brand of "common sense" too, no question. All I'm saying is that throwing money at a problem is rarely a solution outside of a fan's desire. Quality is always going to be a concern, from every angle. Saying "make it better" is a bit of a no-brainer, don't you think?

The real real real question is whether it can be made even better and if there is a cap on that (non-absolutes).

[biomag]

David Gaider wrote...

biomag wrote...
No question about that. But also for a companies longevity its necessary to keep fans satisfied as returning customers are cheaper than gaining new ones. Additionally a bad reputation being spread by former fans isn't the best way to insure a companies success. Now, nothing about what I said is any news, but please BioWare spend a little more money on pre-release testing for DA than so far. Pretty much every addition to the main game has been a mess when it comes to bugs. Just to prevent disasters like the grand finale of "Witch Hunt".

Big companies have their own brand of "common sense" too, no question. All I'm saying is that throwing money at a problem is rarely a solution outside of a fan's desire. Quality is always going to be a concern, from every angle. Saying "make it better" is a bit of a no-brainer, don't you think?

You can be sure, that I see this as a no brainer. But I am only expressing something many people are hoping to finally see. Its not like there has been a huge improvement in that department since Awakening.

Don't get me wrong, I know you all at Bioware are aware of this issue and you will do your best to prevent such things in the future, but let us consumers enjoy that little teasing after we got disappointed

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

You should sell dates with the team to raise money. Like at frats and sororities.

[Stinkface27]

David Gaider wrote...

Khayness wrote...
You should ask Mr. Muzyka to chip in with his poker winnings.

Fans have no problem asking someone else to invest their money on something they want. If that company goes bankrupt, the fan has lost nothing-- they got a good game out of it, give a salute to a fallen company and move on to the next one.

That's nice, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm certain that if it was your money that was on the line-- more than the 60-odd dollars you put up to buy the game, I mean-- you might feel a little differently about it.

Maybe not, but I have no idea what sort of business acumen you possess. Personally, my impression seems to be that there's a vast difference between what fans want and common sense.

Completely aside from the point, but I'd love to live in Canada-land where games are $60! :innocent:

This household has probably spent ~$400 on Dragon Age by now, between the games, expansions and DLC!

Still, I'd pay more to get more - any day!