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[Wishpig]

AlexXIV wrote...

I am not sure how working on DA2 is an excuse for making bad DLCs. It's not like we give Bioware the schedule when to release what. The only thing that counts for me is if I get what I feel fair for my money. Also I doubt Bioware is putting not enough money in their games, I just wonder if they spend it for the right things. Also obviously they judge content on the actual time to play through. That why Witch Hunt needed 1.5 hours of scavenger hunt through reused locations to get to the point that people actually wanted. To Morrigan.

It's not an excuse, it's a reason, people tend to get those two confused. The bottom line is must of the focus and team members went to work on DA:A/DA2 right off the bat... other people *obviously less talented people* worked on the DLC.

Personally I would have scratched the DLC and put all the focus onto the expansion. Rather then releasing a cool but buggy and short expansion and a handfull of questionable DLC content.

[spernus]

My opinion is that the Bioware A team=Mass effect and Dragon age=B team.   While both franchise aim for a different crowd,it's obvious that there's a gap in the finished product.

Mass effect has the better artists,game designers,programmers,QA,etc.Part of this is only relevant to Mass effect 2 which increased the production values by 10.The latest DLC has monstrous production values compared to the DA DLC,especially Witch hunt.  

I am sure the Dragon age team is well aware that the DLC is not really up to par.It's buggy,unpolished,uninspired and doesn't match the ME2 stuff in term of critical reception.

I hope the Dragon age team can pull off a ME 2 (mostly),seemingly improve most of the weak point and flaws of the first one.

[Faz432]

Hopefully EA/Bioware just limited the budget on DA:O and its DLC because it's a new product and wanted to see how it does first, now they've seen the demand for it they will bump the budget/resources for DA2 and its DLC, like ME2's budget to ME....hopefully.

Modifié par Faz432, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:47 .

[Estelindis]

spernus wrote...
My opinion is that the Bioware A team=Mass effect and Dragon age=B team.   While both franchise aim for a different crowd,it's obvious that there's a gap in the finished product.

Here I don't agree.  I simply think the teams for Mass Effect and Dragon Age have different sets of strengths.  DA:O triumphed in the depth of writing it brought to the characters who accompanied the Warden.  Mass Effect 1 and 2 have triumphed in terms of portraying an iconic protagonist.

I do think that DA:O DLC must have been given less priority than ME2 DLC by its team, but I don't believe that reflects poorly on the quality of the team as a whole.

Faz432 wrote...
Hopefully EA/Bioware just limited the budget on DA:O and its DLC because it's a new product and wanted to see
how it does first, now they've seen the demand for it they will bump the budget/resources for DA2 and its DLC, like ME2's budget to ME....hopefully.

Here I can agree unequivocally.  To be fair, it does look like the DA2 team is very upbeat and confident about the game they're putting together.  I just hope that, if they do decide to produce DA2 DLC, it's of a similar (or, of course, better!) standard to ME2 DLC.  I mean, I automatically bought all DA:O DLC, but I won't be buying DLC for DA2 until I get some user feedback on whether or not it's worth my while.  (I will, however, be automatically buying DA2.)

Modifié par Estelindis, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[spernus]

Faz432 wrote...

Hopefully EA/Bioware just limited the budget on DA:O and its DLC because it's a new product and wanted to see how it does first, now they've seen the demand for it they will bump the budget/resources for DA2 and its DLC, like ME2's budget to ME....hopefully.

Doesn't really make sense,since bad DLC will just generate negative perception toward the DA team. At this point,the DA team will have to prove that they can release solid or even great DLC content.

The ME team did create a solid piece of DLC in Bring down the sky and the station DLC was made by a third party (and it sucked ).Unless all of this DLC for DA is made by a third party (it's not,since the DA team has people affected to the DLC),there's no reason for it to be so mediocre.If it's going to suck,just do like Blizzard does and scrap it.

[Imryll]

SirShreK wrote...

The real real real question is whether it can be made even better and if there is a cap on that (non-absolutes).

Heh. My husband's theory on why they're releasing DA2 so soon is that because DA:O was developed over such a long period, it shipped with a lot of dated, DLC-unfriendly code. A bit like Blizzard's experience with backpacks. They'd have liked to increase their size, but the code for them was buried too deep in the inventory system to be done with feasible effort.   

[Bryy_Miller]

AlexXIV wrote...
It's not like we give Bioware the schedule when to release what.

But, uh, EA does. Do you not know how this works?

[Haexpane]

[quote]Anathemic wrote...

Here's a list of gamebreaking bugs right out of the door:

1. Scenes keep repeating for no reason.
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Not gamebreaking
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2. Dialog options pop back even after you clicked on them.
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Not gamebreaking
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3.
At the final showdown in Denerim, even if you hit darkspawn they don't take
any damage for about 4-5 seconds
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Not gamebreaking
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4.Sometimes
the scenes don't pop up unless you walk around for 30 seconds and some
doors don't unlock until you walk around for about as much.
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Not gamebreaking
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5. Dexterity is bugged and useless
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 Not gamebreaking
[quote]Anathemic wrote...6.
Merchants never restock.
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Not gamebreaking
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7. When enemies are frozen, they never shatter, even when hit by a 350 dmg arrow.
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Not gamebreaking
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8. Pickpocketing doesn't work
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Not gamebreaking
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9. Shale DLC broken (doesn't appear at coronation ceremony)
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 Not gamebreaking

[quote]Anathemic wrote...
10. Alitair-is-always-king-no-matter-what-you-try-and-or-choose coronation glitch (no Anora as queen)
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Not gamebreaking
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11. Duncan easy-leveling bug

Not mention the infamous Awakening glitches:

1. Vigilance
2. Armor of the Sentinel
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Not gamebreaking

Not only are NONE of these gamebreaking, many of them are rare bugs.  Vig/Sent and other DLC issues are the true "will not fix" bugs  DLC breaking but not game breaking

In fact these are examples of chicken little/the boy who cried wolf.

[nikki191]

i would be happy if they spent a bit more time with play testing.. ive been stunned at the way some obvious bugs were missed.. awakening for example its very clear that it was never tested with DLC installed.. frankly it was sloppy

[Kiely]

Wishpig wrote...

Personally I would have scratched the DLC and put all the focus onto the expansion. Rather then releasing a cool but buggy and short expansion and a handfull of questionable DLC content.

I'm inclined to agree with you wishpig.

[Kiely]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

rogue_assassin wrote...

I don't think this guy has any idea what it takes to put together a game, financially, or otherwise. everything is apples and oranges I'm sure.

So many here don't. Some less than others. Doesn't stop them from giving their two cents.

If you start a MB or forum you better be ready for people's two-cents.

[Stanley Woo]

Kiely wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Personally I would have scratched the DLC and put all the focus onto the expansion. Rather then releasing a cool but buggy and short expansion and a handfull of questionable DLC content.

I'm inclined to agree with you wishpig.

And when you are both in a position to make such a decision, I will support that decision 100%. You'll have to let me know how much more difficult it is to make decisions when you can't predict the future or see the results of your decisions until weeks, months, maybe even years after you make them.

[Rhayth]

I must agree that ME2 graphically is stunning while Dragon Age is not hopefully they utilize HD graphics to improve the DA graphics. Seriously thats why there are so many complaints here at the quality level set in ME games, and not in the DA games. Although I will see DA2 graphically is looking better then DA so here's to having faith that we will be rewarded with the same kind of quality from DA2 that was in ME2