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[errant_knight]

Debate over Anora comes up often enough that I thought she needed her own thread, so here it is. Do you support Anora? If so, here's a place to do it!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sure do. She saves Alistair from kingship so I can run off into the sunset and live in sin with him.

[CalJones]

I love Aimo's Anora and Prince Cousland strip (click the link under the bottom of the first strip to continue to the next).

[CalJones]

(from http://emedeme.deviantart.com/)

[Bruddajakka]

I rather like her but then again I've never had her betray me at the Landsmeet. But then again I'm never stupid enough to tell her to her face I'm going to depose her, and kill her Father. And she comes off as rather flirty, and sweet if your nice to her.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Bruddajakka wrote...

I rather like her but then again I've never had her betray me at the Landsmeet. But then again I'm never stupid enough to tell her to her face I'm going to depose her, and kill her Father. And she comes off as rather flirty, and sweet if your nice to her.

If you are a male. If you play a female, she comes off as rather condescending and slightly ****y, even being nice.

Still, I'm not there to be Anora's BFF, and neither is she mine. In my favorite playthroughs, I prefer letting her keep the throne alone. She-power and all. Since we have an Orlesian Empress, an always Female divine, and depending on other choices and character....females completely ruling all of Thedas, except the qunari, and they don't really count.

I think Anora is a ****. But she is a very useful, necessary ****, and leaving her as queen makes me feel less bad about splattering daddy's guts all over her at landsmeet.

[DWSmiley]

I never understood the Anora hate. She's smart, pragmatic and an excellent ruler. Sure, she is power hungry but far better her (fetching) bum on the thone than most anyone else's. And some people seem to dislike that she's upset at seeing her father killed right in front of her - that one really puzzles me. She idolizes her dad but there's nothing wrong with that, as she is able to see he is no longer the man he was.



I guess it's that she manipulates the Warden to get want she wants that sparks a lot of the hostility but that shouldn't be a shock. Eamon warns of it and what else could be expected from someone in her position? Thedas would better off with more Anoras!

[Zjarcal]

CalJones wrote...

I love Aimo's Anora and Prince Cousland strip (click the link under the bottom of the first strip to continue to the next).

OMG! That was amazing! I had seen the letter before but not the entire comic. Aimo rocks!

My thoughts on Anora are simple. She's a politician, being nice isn't what's important with her. Getting the job done is.

Sure, her "betrayal" at Howe's estate may be annoying but she does show concern for you when she return to Eamon's estate. As for the Landsmeet, she wants to be queen, period. She'll do whatever it takes to make it happen.

She's always queen by herself in my games. She's actually very nice in the post-coronation scene. I also think she does a better job at the funeral (in case it's a US game) than Alistair.

If only her rallying speech before the assault on Denerim wasn't so cringe worthy...

[Bruddajakka]

Eamon is as bad as Anora he just isn't as obvious about it. And I'm firmly of the belief the fertility troubles are on his side of the family. I mean hell Rowan had all of one kid, and he has all of one kid. And yes Loghain only has the one daughter but it was made fairly clear he was almost never at home with his wife.

[CalJones]

She was pretty nice to my FCousland, actually...I think it all depends on how you treat her.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

DWSmiley wrote...

I never understood the Anora hate. She's smart, pragmatic and an excellent ruler. Sure, she is power hungry but far better her (fetching) bum on the thone than most anyone else's. And some people seem to dislike that she's upset at seeing her father killed right in front of her - that one really puzzles me. She idolizes her dad but there's nothing wrong with that, as she is able to see he is no longer the man he was.

I guess it's that she manipulates the Warden to get want she wants that sparks a lot of the hostility but that shouldn't be a shock. Eamon warns of it and what else could be expected from someone in her position? Thedas would better off with more Anoras!

She uses her feminine charms on a male Warden to soften and manipulate him. Because she knows that most males in Ferelden are easily led by their balls. With a female Warden, she is far more businesslike and cool, even slightly aggressive and demanding. I like that. It shows she knows which sex is the superior one.

But yes, I don't understand Anora hate, either. I've had her betray me before because I wanted it to go like that. I agree, Ferelden is better with Anora. Maker knows the males of that country can't seem to run it. Maric and Cailian weren't great rulers, the last great monarchs being Rowan and Maric's mom. Females.

At least we don't have to worry about Anora marrying the empress of Orlais, or anyone for that matter.

[Bruddajakka]

Anora, and a Hardened Alistair also seem to be a very effective couple so I usually go for that if I don't end up as Prince-Consort.



Though one of these days I need to make her sole ruler with a Mage as her chancellor, and use my imagination.

[mousestalker]

I think the best ending is Anora and Alistair married and ruling together. Since I mostly play elves that also never seems to result in the Alienage being purged.

[maxernst]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Eamon is as bad as Anora he just isn't as obvious about it. And I'm firmly of the belief the fertility troubles are on his side of the family. I mean hell Rowan had all of one kid, and he has all of one kid. And yes Loghain only has the one daughter but it was made fairly clear he was almost never at home with his wife.

I agree that Eamon and Anora are similar characters.  They're pragmatic, politically savvy, and think they know what's best for everybody.  I respect them, but I don't love them.

[DWSmiley]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

[She uses her feminine charms on a male Warden to soften and manipulate him. Because she knows that most males in Ferelden are easily led by their balls. With a female Warden, she is far more businesslike and cool, even slightly aggressive and demanding. I like that. It shows she knows which sex is the superior one.

But yes, I don't understand Anora hate, either. I've had her betray me before because I wanted it to go like that. I agree, Ferelden is better with Anora. Maker knows the males of that country can't seem to run it. Maric and Cailian weren't great rulers, the last great monarchs being Rowan and Maric's mom. Females.

At least we don't have to worry about Anora marrying the empress of Orlais, or anyone for that matter.

Not just males in Ferelden.  

Not marrying is a worry, though, as it increases the odds of a war of succession.  Having a baby is  high on the list of queenly duties for good reason.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am a big fan of Anora and strongly believes she is what the country of Ferelden needs. With her focus on education and trade, I can very well see Ferelden developping a strong middle class that would lead to a Renaissance and modernization in all fields.
Plus, she's beautiful, smart, cunning and while difficult to "crack", I believe she has a warm heart in there.

[CalJones]

I totally agree, KoP. (But then I tend to agree with you on most things. Funny that).

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah that's the one thing that bothers me about the Prince Consort ending in Epilogue is that the Warden disappears no matter what. I suppose it's a hint of what's to come in Witch Hunt but what the hell happens if he doesn't follow her through the mirror.

[ejoslin]

Anora, though, has trouble with the inner management. Why, with new trade treaties and such established, was there a food shortage in the Alienage?

I think Alistair and Anora make a strong ruling couple. Diplomacy and progress are obviously Anora's strong suits, and taking care of the local populace is obviously (hardened) Alistair's strength. Together, they should do a pretty damn good job.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Bruddajakka]

Probably for the same reason as why Vaughn was allowed to use the Alienage as his personally hunting ground. Most of the Nobility doesn't give a flying fart about the Elves.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...

Anora, though, has trouble with the inner management. Why, with new trade treaties and such established, was there a food shortage in the Alienage?

The Blight devastated the land, so food shortages are to be expected. Trade won;t fix that immediately.
And because she probably devoted ressources to things that are more important than alienages. 

I see no problem with that. Reforms always end up screwing someone and not all things have equal worth.  

[Viva la France]

I like Anora, but only when Leliana is on the side. I liked Anora until she said " I am Queen and you are my Consort."

[CalJones]

Well she doesn't want to be in the same position as she was when Cailan died, so who can blame her? She knows you're a Warden and you will likely die young.

[mousestalker]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Anora, though, has trouble with the inner management. Why, with new trade treaties and such established, was there a food shortage in the Alienage?

The Blight devastated the land, so food shortages are to be expected. Trade won;t fix that immediately.
And because she probably devoted ressources to things that are more important than alienages. 

I see no problem with that. Reforms always end up screwing someone and not all things have equal worth.  

Nothing is more important than the Alienages.