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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Howe was dead, his family stripped of name. Didn't keep the Amaranthine nobility from trying to overthrow you.

This isn't because they won't accept the fact that the Howes are out of power. This is because you killed him personally and a lot of their fortunes were tied up with his.

There were alot of nobles whose fortunes were banking on the bastard Therin, too. Eamon wasn't alone, and I doubt many nobl;es were backing Eamon's ploy to stick Alistair on the throne for altrusitic reasons.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Petty revenge. Chance to advance one's position, ect.

Present in all situations then. 

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Sure, it still exists. But you don't add fuel to the fire.
A dead heir won't stop rebellions and dissent. And it creates an even bigger problem with succession.

Alistair alive is the fuel to the fire. Dead, then it's over. And whatever dissent is present will be met with fear and that's the end of it. 

I don't see anyone risking everything for the sake of a dead bastard prince to be honest.  

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Howe was dead, his family stripped of name. Didn't keep the Amaranthine nobility from trying to overthrow you

They weren't doing it for Howe, but for themselves and they were not scheming against the monarchy perse, but against you as Arl.

So those who are going to scheme against Anora / Cousland if Ali is dead will not be Therein supporters really. Just your average schemer that will get himself killed.

The city elf epilogues show this only if you make one of them bann.

And they have no reason to care if they are starving. The point was, the elven community is too isolated for the majority to care what happens to them. And even if they did, the fact the riots were crushed should make them think twice, until they reap the benefits of a golden age, where they wil forget about it entirely.

I agree Anora does fine on her own. However, since this isn't the real world, we also get a king who is the more public and personable face of the ruling couple, and thus, her reforms would be better recieved.

Cousland being the savior of Ferelden not once, but twice, is more than enough to do that and then some.
Plus, reforms can always be enforced. In fact, they always have to, as they inevitably will have to screw someone. I don't buy the fairy tale king that manages to make everyone happy cliche.

Not saying that Anora / Ali is bad. Just questioning the belief that they make everyone happy. It's impossible. Neither does Cousland / Anora necessarily have to have dissent strong enough to be worthwhile except if Ali is left alive. Hidden dissent without actual capacity is like a child whining.
 
Of course I am biased as I believe my Cousland is infinately better than Alistair.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[Addai]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Basically this has gotten to the point where one person refuses to admit they were wrong, and made a mistake even though ten other people have shown evidence to the contrary. There's no such slide.

If you think I'm actually trying to prove something, I'm not.  Sooo.... yeah. 

Back when I first had this discussion with KoP long ago, I just admitted I was probably wrong and hadn't read correctly and never said anything about it again.  But as I come across other people who've seen it, it makes me think I wasn't crazy after all.

Like I said, I don't really care.  I wouldn't marry Alistair to Anora again for all the caramel in Orlais. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Basically this has gotten to the point where one person refuses to admit they were wrong, and made a mistake even though ten other people have shown evidence to the contrary. There's no such slide.

Eh..no. You would be wrong. I admit it could be some sort of glitch, because others seem to remember the same thing as well. I am not refusing to admit I am wrong, I am willing to admit it's a glitch. A big difference. I know I remebered seeing it in my game. Whether it was correct, or something screwed up, is what I am wondering.

[phaonica]

DAO was released in November 2009
The first patch was released sometimes later in Nov 2009
(i'll have to find the exact dates of these. when I do i'll edit)
Here is a quote from Nov 11 saying Anora+Cousland is the golden age slide

Nov 11, 2009 10:37 pm PT
From: WrathofAchilles | #013
Has anyone become the king themselves? (I've heard this option is only available if you're a human noble). Or become queen, (if you're a female human noble and you're with Allister)? I'd love to know what that epilouge comments say.
In my game where I became king and married Arnora it says you rule equally with her and bring Fereldan into a Golden Age.
http://www.gamespot....2719&pid=950918

Later in the same thread, the Anora+Alistair romance is mentioned

Alistair and anora ruled together, anora ruled wisely while alistair traveled and the people loved them both as alistair would just help random villages.

Then there is this one in January

Jan 6, 2010 7:02 pm PT
Best ending you can get for rulers is Hardened Alistair marrying Anora or Human Noble and Anora marrying. In the hardened Alistair marrying Anora ruling they are both well loved by the people and both excellent at making decisions. In the human noble marrying Anora ending Fereldan goes into a Golden Age.
http://www.gamespot....0535&pid=950918

Here is one from December

12-24-2009, 02:35 PM 
 
As for the Best Ruler, and you not wanting to be there (Noble Human Origin) or be mistress (Ticks off Anora, and for ALL females), in actuality, Placing BOTH upon the throne has been said to issue a Golden Age into Ferelden.
http://www.gamebansh...own-116635.html

Modifié par phaonica, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:59 .

[CalJones]

As is mine. He lead while Alistair followed him. That says enough, really.

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...
Here is one from December

12-24-2009, 02:35 PM 
 
As for the Best Ruler, and you not wanting to be there (Noble Human Origin) or be mistress (Ticks off Anora, and for ALL females), in actuality, Placing BOTH upon the throne has been said to issue a Golden Age into Ferelden.
http://www.gamebansh...own-116635.html

Well considering how bad the game press can be, it wouldn't surprise me if they got it wrong.
Or it could have something to do with patches. When was the second patch released?  

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Cousland being the savior of Ferelden not once, but twice, is more than enough to do that and then some.
Plus, reforms can always be enforced. In fact, they always have to, as they inevitably will have to screw someone. I don't buy the fairy tale king that manages to make everyone happy cliche.

Nor do I believe such a thing is possible. Inequality is a fact of life.

Not saying that Anora / Ali is bad. Just questioning the belief that they make everyone happy. It's impossible. Neither does Cousland / Anora necessarily have to have dissent strong enough to be worthwhile except if Ali is left alive. Hidden dissent without actual capacity is like a child whining.

Again, it comes down to Loghain, because if you kill Loghain, it's all a non-issue. Alistair Warden alive doesn't bring up any rebellions, either.

The Anora/Alistair union doesn't make everyone happy with bunnies and sunshine everywhere, but it does cause the least amount of problems and ends up with the best bet for all.
 

Of course I am biased as I believe my Cousland is infinately better than Alistair.

naturally, you would. He fathered The Beard Child, after all.

[Sarah1281]

Again, it comes down to Loghain, because if you kill Loghain, it's all a non-issue. Alistair Warden alive doesn't bring up any rebellions, either.

The epilogue doesn't actually change based on whether Loghain is alive or not. Also, dead Loghain leads to Anora being peeved that you and Alistair killed her father that he clearly hates and Alistair is determined not to just let her push him around which is what she would prefer to do. Still conflict.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Again, it comes down to Loghain, because if you kill Loghain, it's all a non-issue. Alistair Warden alive doesn't bring up any rebellions, either.

The epilogue doesn't actually change based on whether Loghain is alive or not. Also, dead Loghain leads to Anora being peeved that you and Alistair killed her father that he clearly hates and Alistair is determined not to just let her push him around which is what she would prefer to do. Still conflict.

I was refering to the fact the only way Alistair becomes a problem is if Loghain is not executed at Landsmeet.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Here is one from December

12-24-2009, 02:35 PM 
 
As for the Best Ruler, and you not wanting to be there (Noble Human Origin) or be mistress (Ticks off Anora, and for ALL females), in actuality, Placing BOTH upon the throne has been said to issue a Golden Age into Ferelden.
http://www.gamebansh...own-116635.html

Well considering how bad the game press can be, it wouldn't surprise me if they got it wrong.
Or it could have something to do with patches. When was the second patch released?  

I think those are all player quotes and not the press. I'm looking for reliable patch release info.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Again, it comes down to Loghain, because if you kill Loghain, it's all a non-issue. Alistair Warden alive doesn't bring up any rebellions, either. .

 


Depends on whether Anora would be happy to rule alongside the man who wanted her father dead. But maybe she can look past that.

Though they may collaborate, I don't see the relationship growing beyond professionalism. Unlike Cousland / Anora where there are hints that Anora is starting to warm up to him.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
The Anora/Alistair union doesn't make everyone happy with bunnies and sunshine everywhere, but it does cause the least amount of problems and ends up with the best bet for all.

 

If we are talking about results, Anora/ Cousland with Ali dead or Warden also causes the least problems. 

And if I were to weight Anora's vision (the university only happens with her solo or with Cousland) vs the possibility of a few unhappy nobles, I'll take Anora's vision everyday, coupled with a few severed heads on my table  (jk, I'd rather just frighten them).
 

naturally, you would. He fathered The Beard Child, after all.

 


That's the only reason why I went into that mirror. To bask at The Beard. The herald of change.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[ejoslin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Here is one from December

12-24-2009, 02:35 PM 
 
As for the Best Ruler, and you not wanting to be there (Noble Human Origin) or be mistress (Ticks off Anora, and for ALL females), in actuality, Placing BOTH upon the throne has been said to issue a Golden Age into Ferelden.
http://www.gamebansh...own-116635.html

Well considering how bad the game press can be, it wouldn't surprise me if they got it wrong.
Or it could have something to do with patches. When was the second patch released?  

They got a few other things wrong in that post, actually.  So why not that as well.

You can persuade a hardened Alistair to marry Anora if you spare Loghain if he's hardened without it being arranged first.
Alistair never likes the warden again -- the VO notes are very clear on this in the toolset.  There's bad blood there.

Edit: Besides, it's so unlikely that they actually went in and changed an epilogue card (new writing, double checking programming, etc) and didn't take the two seconds to fix the glaring bug where male wardens who romanced Zevran and traveled were referred to as a woman that people were screaming about all over the forums.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:21 .

[phaonica]

"The PC version of Dragon Age: Origins got a 1.01 patch not 72 hours after release; "
Nov 6, 2009
http://kotaku.com/53...tched-explained

Dragon Age: Origins Update Released
Update 1.02
Dec 7, 2009
http://store.steampo....com/news/3204/

[phaonica]

ejoslin wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Here is one from December

12-24-2009, 02:35 PM 
 
As for the Best Ruler, and you not wanting to be there (Noble Human Origin) or be mistress (Ticks off Anora, and for ALL females), in actuality, Placing BOTH upon the throne has been said to issue a Golden Age into Ferelden.
http://www.gamebansh...own-116635.html

Well considering how bad the game press can be, it wouldn't surprise me if they got it wrong.
Or it could have something to do with patches. When was the second patch released?  

They got a few other things wrong in that post, actually.  So why not that as well.

It's true. Since I"m looking at info that early, most players haven't seen the 'whole' game yet, so info in just trickling in, correct and incorrect. Hard to research.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...




Depends on whether Anora would be happy to rule alongside the man who wanted her father dead. But maybe she can look past that.

Though they may collaborate, I don't see the relationship growing beyond professionalism. Unlike Cousland / Anora where there are hints that Anora is starting to warm up to him. [/quote]

There's hints to that as well in the Anora/Alistair Loghain dead union. Yeah, Anora gets over it. Even says she could grow fond of him, his humor will take getting used to. I have heard from people who were playing male characters that had the two married, that the hints are even warmer. It won't be some great whirlwind fairytale romance, but, if Alistair has no she-Warden to love, it seems that like the Cousland relationship, they can grow close as well.

[quote]If we are talking about results, Anora/ Cousland with Ali dead or Warden also causes the least problems. [/quote]

You still have the elves acting up. In the Ali-Anora union, no one acts up.

[quote]And if I were to weight Anora's vision (the university only happens with her solo or with Cousland) vs the possibility of a few unhappy nobles, I'll take Anora's vision everyday, coupled with a few severed heads on my table  (jk, I'd rather just frighten them).
 
[quote]

Severed heads in front of the university promotes better attitudes towards studying and cuts down on obnoxious Spring Break parties.


[quote]
That's the only reason why I went into that mirror. To bask at The Beard. The herald of change. [/quote]

I knew you would. Because in the end, no matter how well educated, intelligent, articulate, and pragmatic you might be, Morrigan can sweep that all away with one beckoning glance at you.

[phaonica]

Edit: Besides, it's so unlikely that they actually went in and changed an epilogue card (new writing, double checking programming, etc) and didn't take the two seconds to fix the glaring bug where male wardens who romanced Zevran and traveled were referred to as a woman that people were screaming about all over the forums.

I agree that it's unlikely. And even less likely that the names in the epilogues glitched and got mixed up somehow when printed on the screen. But no harm in taking a look. Kind of interesting to see how information was trickling in at the time, anyway.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...
Edit: Besides, it's so unlikely that they actually went in and changed an epilogue card (new writing, double checking programming, etc) and didn't take the two seconds to fix the glaring bug where male wardens who romanced Zevran and traveled were referred to as a woman that people were screaming about all over the forums.

This is the same Bioware that still, as of 1.04, still haven't fixed the glaring Morrigan epilogue bugs, and in some cases, screwing them up worse. Which is far more sloppy, since far many more males have romanced Morrigan than Zevran, and thus, the epilogue for Morrigan will have occurred far many more times.

And let's not go into the multitude of 100 million other glaring bugs that have been fixed by modders like you, as opposed to patches. Let alone the 1.03 fiasco and Awakenings.

I wouldn't put it past them, they are pretty sloppy.<_<

[Bruddajakka]

You know there is another good alternative to the Warden marrying Anora, and that's the Warden becoming Teyrn, and romancing Leli. Since he'd still be the most powerful Noble in Ferelden more or less, and he'd still be around to counter Anora if need be. I suppose Alistair would work as well but I'm pretty sure they always state they disappear.

Though ideally it might work best if Al married Anora as well.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
There's hints to that as well in the Anora/Alistair Loghain dead union.

I see. Well, maybe it could work out.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
You still have the elves acting up. In the Ali-Anora union, no one acts up.

Eh, it's insignificant in the larger scheme of things. But yea sure, no elves die in Ali / Anora, I concede.
Depends on how much you care at the end. Maker forgive me, I don't.   

Severed heads in front of the university promotes better attitudes towards studying and cuts down on obnoxious Spring Break parties.

I am definately going to propose that to Mcgill.

I knew you would. Because in the end, no matter how well educated, intelligent, articulate, and pragmatic you might be, Morrigan can sweep that all away with one beckoning glance at you.

Haha I actually hesitated a lot until I found the rational reason to follow her. I have plans for the God child myself you see, especially since the world will be changing apparently. I would much rather raise him myself and be on the winning side of that change. Ferelden was getting too small for me anyways

Plus, that kid can cure my taint.

...and who am I kidding, because I freakin love her

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:35 .

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

Edit: Besides, it's so unlikely that they actually went in and changed an epilogue card (new writing, double checking programming, etc) and didn't take the two seconds to fix the glaring bug where male wardens who romanced Zevran and traveled were referred to as a woman that people were screaming about all over the forums.

I agree that it's unlikely. And even less likely that the names in the epilogues glitched and got mixed up somehow when printed on the screen. But no harm in taking a look. Kind of interesting to see how information was trickling in at the time, anyway.

I should mention that after Awakening when I wondered if they had changed epilogue slides in the patch, it didn't have anything to do with this, it was something that sounded to me like an Awakening plug.

[Morrigans God son]

Right... My warden is a human noble, and is arranged to wed to Anora. BUT! I made Alistair kill Loghain, so that Alistair would live. (Because who wants to kill Alistair? right?) Anyways... I did the dark ritual, and at the end it says Alistair died anyway? How? I didnt see him die.



Did this happen for the rest of you guys? I'm just wondering, because I went to alot of effort to keep the bloke alive...and he dies anyway!

[Bruddajakka]

It's a well known bug. Unless you kill him, or let him go he sometimes acts like you made him King.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Eh, it's insignificant in the larger scheme of things. But yea sure, no elves die in Ali / Anora, I concede.
Depends on how much you care at the end. Maker forgive me, I don't.  

I don't either, and the Maker can kiss my evil ass, if he's even worthy of the privilage. I'm just pointing this out for the sake of arguement, that's all.

Like I said before, my best ending involves Anora ruling on her own, the alienage be damned. But someone has to argue for the knife ears.

I am definately going to propose that to Mcgill.

I hope it catches on.

Haha I actually hesitated a lot until I found the rational reason to follow her. I have plans for the God child myself you see, especially since the world will be changing apparently. I would much rather raise him myself and be on the winning side of that change. Ferelden was getting too small for me anyways

Plus, that kid can cure my taint.

More like you decided to follow her, then racked your brains for a rational reason to do so to keep your reputation of rational level-headedness intact.

We know you.

.

..and who am I kidding, because I freakin love her

And we come to the motivation behind it all.

Believe it or not, I was actually upset that female friend Wardens couldn't follow her through. I totally would have prefered that as an ending than croaking in the deep roads. For my canon mage Warden, that would have been her favorite ending.

[Bruddajakka]

I'm still strongly leaning that the gift she left was a cure for the taint, or a way for the Warden to have children. Seems like a good way to repay a female Warden. A Child for a child.