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[Persephone]

blothulfur wrote...

Now what would have been a real reward for keeping loghain alive is if he had spoken to the troops at the battle of denerim instead of anora, whose voice acting though fine for courtly intrigues didn't cut the mustard at a muster.

YES! Simon Templeman would have given a BRILLIANT speech. And it would have made sense.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...YES! Simon Templeman would have given a BRILLIANT speech. And it would have made sense.

Even if it didn't make any sense, it would still have been better than both Alistair and Anora combined.

[Lady Honor]

I have only spared him once....and then didn't even finish the game with him. I did it to unlock the achievement and had every intention of completing the game with him, but the way I had to treat Alistair to do it and his and Anora's reactions just broke my heart....So after the landsmeet, I just reloaded it and did it all over again and let Alistair kill him. I'm such a softy.

[CalJones]

It's funny you consider yourself a softy. I consider myself a softy and I can't kill Loghain, especially not in front of his daughter, who gets splattered with his blood. To me, that was far worse than making Alistair angry. (And to be fair, the way he acts subsequently is his own choice).

I think everyone should try the Redeemer ending at least once - Loghain's plea at the end is one of the most moving bits of dialogue in the game. If you're worried about what happens to Alistair, he can still become king if he's hardened and marries Anora.

[Obadiah]

I loaded up a final battle in which I had spared Loghain so he could kill the Archdemon in order to see what happened if my Warden did the ultimate sacrifice instead. Hearing about Loghain becoming a recruiter for the Grey Wardens and some years later, after a small ceremony, heading to the Deep roads for his end was... kind of uplifting.

[Wulfram]

CalJones wrote...
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I think everyone should try the Redeemer ending at least once - Loghain's plea at the end is one of the most moving bits of dialogue in the game.

Of course, your character has to exhibit a fair amount of reluctance to let him take the final blow to get that speech

[Giggles_Manically]

Wulfram wrote...

CalJones wrote...
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I think everyone should try the Redeemer ending at least once - Loghain's plea at the end is one of the most moving bits of dialogue in the game.

Of course, your character has to exhibit a fair amount of reluctance to let him take the final blow to get that speech

Nope, he says it if you are trying to take it yourself. He tries to talk you into letting him take the final blow instead.

[CalJones]

That's true. Although the other speech (if you ask him to do it) is pretty good as well.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm uncomitted in regards to Loghain. He's not a total monster, but in and of itself that isn't enough to warrant saving him or make him special: the wardens kill plenty of not-monstrous people. It depends on the character I have: if they really don't give a damn about Alistair or Ferelden as a whole, such as my elf mage, Loghain's simply the go-to general. If they choose to support Anora for any number of reasons, Loghain's chances are possible. If they like Alistair enough, often they'll just let him dual Loghain.



The only one of my characters who liked Alistair AND spared Loghain was a human noble who married Anora, and he considers watching (unhardened!) Alistair go to be one of the hardest, worst actions of his life.

[CalJones]

I can understand that. I feel bad for Alistair but, at the same time, he does choose to leave. (Well, assuming you don't allow Anora to chop his head off. Which I generally don't).

It's really annoying, because (despite being a straight woman), his is the only romance I haven't managed to finish because getting the happy ending requires me to kill my absolute favourite character in the game. And I just can't do it. *grumble*

[Giggles_Manically]

I like Zevran's and Leliana's romance best.

So I dont have to kill Loghain or do the DR luckily.



Its wierd how I can murder almost anyone else in game but killing Loghain is so hard for me to do.

Thats a very nasty way to die.

[redleafchewer]

Played through twice as a Cousland in different roles among others. As the Idealist, I couldn't forgive the dinfinative act of betrayal at Ostagar, Off with his head.



As the realist with royal ambitions of his own, I spared him, married his daughter and had the benefit of his ironic cameo in awakening.



Since then I never hesitate to kill him and put Alistair on the throne. It's not because I dislike Loghain, it's because I despise his coniving daughter.



Also, like him or not, you got to admire the fact that in the end, he looks you dead in the eye and accepts his fate calmly, this was no comman man. Much better than Alistair's tantrum and guilt trip one feels for not avenging the betrayal.



And for the record on the Howe comments, as a Cousland survivor, even if Howe had had a Warden join option, he would of died, so strong was that feeling, the first time I played awakening, Nathan went to the gallows simply for the fact he was related. I still enjoyed killing Rendon Howe even on my other characters, even though they had no real reason to hate him (Well my alienage elves probably would not of liked him). It was the one instance in the whole game that I regret not having mmo style emotes to really express how I felt about him.

[Dean_the_Young]

CalJones wrote...

I can understand that. I feel bad for Alistair but, at the same time, he does choose to leave. (Well, assuming you don't allow Anora to chop his head off. Which I generally don't).
It's really annoying, because (despite being a straight woman), his is the only romance I haven't managed to finish because getting the happy ending requires me to kill my absolute favourite character in the game. And I just can't do it. *grumble*

I've never been able to stand the Alistair romance because he's just too goofy and cheesy. (Unless all the pickup lines change once he's hardened?)

That said, I do like the relationship dynamic that he will dump you if you put him on the throne and he isn't hardened, unless of course you harden him and convince him to have an illicit affair.

[Obadiah]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

All my PC's kill him.

The idiot admits to being in possesion of evidence against Loghain.
Lets me kill him and get the evidence as well.

Also the whole "offering to murder your family and friends" to a CE warden is just stupid.

Oh yes. There needs to be a CE  line added to that conversation like, "Did you know that was my father in the cage over there?"

[Giggles_Manically]

Obadiah wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

All my PC's kill him.

The idiot admits to being in possesion of evidence against Loghain.
Lets me kill him and get the evidence as well.

Also the whole "offering to murder your family and friends" to a CE warden is just stupid.

Oh yes. There needs to be a CE  line added to that conversation like, "Did you know that was my father in the cage over there?"

I will post my CE killshots on him later.
I still hate what Morrigan says there, and love how Zevran talks there.

[mousestalker]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

All my PC's kill him.

The idiot admits to being in possesion of evidence against Loghain.
Lets me kill him and get the evidence as well.

Also the whole "offering to murder your family and friends" to a CE warden is just stupid.

Oh yes. There needs to be a CE  line added to that conversation like, "Did you know that was my father in the cage over there?"

I will post my CE killshots on him later.
I still hate what Morrigan says there, and love how Zevran talks there.

If you aare a CE, Wynne actually comes off worse than Morrigan.

[Persephone]

redleafchewer wrote...

Since then I never hesitate to kill him and put Alistair on the throne. It's not because I dislike Loghain, it's because I despise his coniving daughter. .

You kill a man because you dislike his daughter? Really? You do it to hurt her? How very....callous.

[MKDAWUSS]

Persephone wrote...

redleafchewer wrote...

Since then I never hesitate to kill him and put Alistair on the throne. It's not because I dislike Loghain, it's because I despise his coniving daughter. .

You kill a man because you dislike his daughter? Really? You do it to hurt her? How very....callous.

Well, I guess you could spare Loghain, nominate Alistair, who then immediately offs him period...

As for Anora, I find her to be a likable character

[Persephone]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Persephone wrote...

redleafchewer wrote...

Since then I never hesitate to kill him and put Alistair on the throne. It's not because I dislike Loghain, it's because I despise his coniving daughter. .

You kill a man because you dislike his daughter? Really? You do it to hurt her? How very....callous.

Well, I guess you could spare Loghain, nominate Alistair, who then immediately offs him period...

As for Anora, I find her to be a likable character

Which is why Alistair will never be made king by my Warden(s) again. He doesn't know how to rule. And besides, he doesn't want to. I like Anora too btw.

[MKDAWUSS]

Persephone wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Persephone wrote...

redleafchewer wrote...

Since then I never hesitate to kill him and put Alistair on the throne. It's not because I dislike Loghain, it's because I despise his coniving daughter. .

You kill a man because you dislike his daughter? Really? You do it to hurt her? How very....callous.

Well, I guess you could spare Loghain, nominate Alistair, who then immediately offs him period...

As for Anora, I find her to be a likable character

Which is why Alistair will never be made king by my Warden(s) again. He doesn't know how to rule. And besides, he doesn't want to. I like Anora too btw.

He doesn't want to until Loghain's left standing. Then all of a sudden he wants the throne just so he can off Loghain. I don't put asses in powerful seats because of implusive decisions and desires.

Modifié par MKDAWUSS, 22 septembre 2010 - 07:34 .

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

No way. I never have. Imagine someone in our society that assassinates the President, kills hundreds of US soldiers, instigates a civil war, hires an assassin to kill people that he wants to keep quiet, works with human traffickers to sell people into slavery, kidnaps and tortures people. Would this person deserve the death penalty? HELL YES!



Can you imagine how absurd it would be for a court to rule that "Hey, he's good at killing. Let's make him an elite Navy Seal."?

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 22 septembre 2010 - 07:59 .

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

No way. I never have. Imagine someone in our society that assassinates the President, kills hundreds of US soldiers, instigates a civil war, hires an assassin to kill people that he wants to keep quiet, works with human traffickers to sell people into slavery, kidnaps and tortures people. Would this person deserve the death penalty? Few people would say "no", unless they just flat-out reject the death penalty.



Can you imagine how absurd it would be for a court to rule that "Hey, he's good at killing. Let's make him an elite Navy Seal."?

[Monica21]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

No way. I never have. Imagine someone in our society that assassinates the President, kills hundreds of US soldiers, instigates a civil war, hires an assassin to kill people that he wants to keep quiet, works with human traffickers to sell people into slavery, kidnaps and tortures people. Would this person deserve the death penalty? Few people would say "no", unless they just flat-out reject the death penalty.



Can you imagine how absurd it would be for a court to rule that "Hey, he's good at killing. Let's make him an elite Navy Seal."?

Why on earth would you imagine this in terms of modern society? You're not dealing in modern society. Not to mention that Loghain never assassinated anyone. Your entire premise is wrong right from the start.

[Giggles_Manically]

If your country was facing utter annihlation, and he just happened to be a person good enough to be a navy seal, you should use him.



War is not a time to sit on morals, or what is RIGHT. Its a time to do whatever it takes, use whatever you have, and fight as dirty as possible to win. If youre dead, well those morals dont count for much do they?



Or as David Eddings put it in the Redemption of Althalus "Oh thats nice, you can wade hip deep through the blood of thousands, but you admire youre nice clean soul! Wont that be nice"

[wickedgoodreed]

Imagine someone in our society teaming up with known assassins, murderers and outlaws, recruiting a private army of societal outcasts, assassinating a prominent Senator in the basement of his own home, and generally seizing power for his or her own purposes at every opportunity? Can you imagine how absurd it would be for that person to be called a hero?