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[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Monica21 wrote...

Why on earth would you imagine this in terms of modern society? You're not dealing in modern society. Not to mention that Loghain never assassinated anyone. Your entire premise is wrong right from the start.

Word

[Persephone]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

No way. I never have. Imagine someone in our society that assassinates the President, kills hundreds of US soldiers, instigates a civil war, hires an assassin to kill people that he wants to keep quiet, works with human traffickers to sell people into slavery, kidnaps and tortures people. Would this person deserve the death penalty? Few people would say "no", unless they just flat-out reject the death penalty.



Can you imagine how absurd it would be for a court to rule that "Hey, he's good at killing. Let's make him an elite Navy Seal."?

Why are you looking at this through modern eyes? Any historian will tell you that that won't cut it. Besides, there was no assassination. And troops get left behind to this day, that, though tragic, isn't murder. Black and white, nothing in between. It's easier, I suppose.<_<

[Persephone]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Imagine someone in our society teaming up with known assassins, murderers and outlaws, recruiting a private army of societal outcasts, assassinating a prominent Senator in the basement of his own home, and generally seizing power for his or her own purposes at every opportunity? Can you imagine how absurd it would be for that person to be called a hero?

Well said!

[Giggles_Manically]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Imagine someone in our society teaming up with known assassins, murderers and outlaws, recruiting a private army of societal outcasts, assassinating a prominent Senator in the basement of his own home, and generally seizing power for his or her own purposes at every opportunity? Can you imagine how absurd it would be for that person to be called a hero?

Dont spend it all in one place.

[MKDAWUSS]

Besides, Wynne was just as responsible as Loghain when it comes to Cailan's death. 'cuz Loghain said so.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Well, OK. Dragon Age universe isn't based on a modern society. It's based on a Medieval template with mystical elements. In the Medieval period, abandoning the King to die and instigating a civil war would get you a gruesome death. You'd probably be drawn and quartered. Dismembered alive. Inducting Loghain makes less than no sense, unless you just think that he's a cool guy. The only reason to spare him at all would be if you and Alistair knew ahead of time that a Grey Warden would have to sacrifice his life to kill the archdemon, in which case Loghain would be forced to make the final blow. After hearing about Morrigan's ritual, if you chose to accept it, then Loghain is no longer needed at all. I'd bed Morrigan, and then I'd go slit Loghain's throat during the afterglow.

[Persephone]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Well, OK. Dragon Age universe isn't based on a modern society. It's based on a Medieval template with mystical elements. In the Medieval period, abandoning the King to die and instigating a civil war would get you a gruesome death. You'd probably be drawn and quartered. Dismembered alive. Inducting Loghain makes less than no sense, unless you just think that he's a cool guy. The only reason to spare him at all would be if you and Alistair knew ahead of time that a Grey Warden would have to sacrifice his life to kill the archdemon, in which case Loghain would be forced to make the final blow. After hearing about Morrigan's ritual, if you chose to accept it, then Loghain is no longer needed at all. I'd bed Morrigan, and then I'd go slit Loghain's throat during the afterglow.

Well, thanks for reducing everyone who spares Loghain to this. Charming, really.

[Giggles_Manically]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Well, OK. Dragon Age universe isn't based on a modern society. It's based on a Medieval template with mystical elements. In the Medieval period, abandoning the King to die and instigating a civil war would get you a gruesome death. You'd probably be drawn and quartered. Dismembered alive. Inducting Loghain makes less than no sense, unless you just think that he's a cool guy. The only reason to spare him at all would be if you and Alistair knew ahead of time that a Grey Warden would have to sacrifice his life to kill the archdemon, in which case Loghain would be forced to make the final blow. After hearing about Morrigan's ritual, if you chose to accept it, then Loghain is no longer needed at all. I'd bed Morrigan, and then I'd go slit Loghain's throat during the afterglow.

[CalJones]

Does anyone find it ironic that an extremely judgemental and bloodthirsty poster would name him/herself after a cute kittie?

[Giggles_Manically]

CalJones wrote...

Does anyone find it ironic that an extremely judgemental and bloodthirsty poster would name him/herself after a cute kittie?

Maybe Ser- Pounce alot the cat is actually very vicous , and will become the originator of a breed of war cats!

[MKDAWUSS]

CalJones wrote...

Does anyone find it ironic that an extremely judgemental and bloodthirsty poster would name him/herself after a cute kittie?

Kittens should be the central theme of a horror film IMO.

[CalJones]

Well there's this - I've actually seen this one, too. It's fairly typical of cheesy 70s horror.



Anyway, yes. Spare Loghain. Because he's too awesome to die.

[mousestalker]

I spare him for the dark ritual sex. He has the best expression in that cutscene.

[Collider]

I see either as justifiable. Executing him because of the crimes he had done - trying to assassainte the arl, trying to assassinate the Warden, trying to sell the elves into slavery. Or sparing him out of mercy or so he can be initiated into the Grey Wardens. I do the former, but I can see why people would do the latter.

[CalJones]

I think he should get a medal for trying to assassinate Eamon. That man is a rectum of epic proportions. If I could have put a pillow over his face, I would have done.

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Imagine someone in our society teaming up with known assassins, murderers and outlaws, recruiting a private army of societal outcasts, assassinating a prominent Senator in the basement of his own home, and generally seizing power for his or her own purposes at every opportunity? Can you imagine how absurd it would be for that person to be called a hero?

<3

[RavenousBear]

I have done it both ways and not too sure which side I lean on. On one hand, I despise many of Loghain's actions after the debacle at Ostagar, especially allowing the slavers to operate in the Alienage. Makes me blood boil and I get the pleasure of taking out the Tevinter trash. Then there is little reason to trust Loghain after the countless assassins he has sent to kill you and stubbornly refuses to back down (when it is clear that his Regency is a failure) until literally kicked in the head after the duel in the Landsmeet.



On the other hand, executing him in front of the nobles by hacking his head off with a great sword is not exactly what I would have chosen as his punishment for his crimes. Alistair's rant about him willing to be King if Loghain dies is a pathetic reason to make him King (I still prefer him as King, but that rant does not help his case).



I would have prefer tossing him in prison or exiling him far away from Ferelden. Too bad for me however. Either sparing him and trusting him to be on your side after the treachery throughout the game or hacking his head off. No middle ground.

[testing123]

Caak7i wrote...
I would have prefer tossing him in prison or exiling him far away from Ferelden.

Exile might have made for an interesting epilogue.  I'm intrigued how that might play out.

[TJPags]

Does the way you kill Loghain (regardless of who does it) really influence people to not kill him?

[Giggles_Manically]

TJPags wrote...

Does the way you kill Loghain (regardless of who does it) really influence people to not kill him?

You dont have problems publically decapitating a man in front of his only child, who gets splattered in his blood?

[TJPags]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Does the way you kill Loghain (regardless of who does it) really influence people to not kill him?

You dont have problems publically decapitating a man in front of his only child, who gets splattered in his blood?

Well, you should know by now the answer to that one. 

But I'm asking honestly.  Me, if I was set to kill him, and believed he should die, that wouldn't change my mind and convince me to let him live.

I see a lot of people talk about how the method of his death turns them off, and I CAN understand that.  What I'm wondering is whether that was the one thing that tipped anyone from "kill him" to "spare him".

[Zjarcal]

TJPags wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Does the way you kill Loghain (regardless of who does it) really influence people to not kill him?

You dont have problems publically decapitating a man in front of his only child, who gets splattered in his blood?

Well, you should know by now the answer to that one. 

But I'm asking honestly.  Me, if I was set to kill him, and believed he should die, that wouldn't change my mind and convince me to let him live.

I see a lot of people talk about how the method of his death turns them off, and I CAN understand that.  What I'm wondering is whether that was the one thing that tipped anyone from "kill him" to "spare him".

I understand your point and I actually agree with your logic. If I believed someone should die for their crimes, the execution method certainly wouldn't change my view to "no wait, let's allow him to live". The problem obviously is that the game doesn't give you any other options. It's either kill him in front of his daughter or let him live.

I myself have several different reasons to spare him on my canon playthrough, so that bit doesn't influence me much.

[phaonica]

TJPags wrote...

But I'm asking honestly.  Me, if I was set to kill him, and believed he should die, that wouldn't change my mind and convince me to let him live.

I see a lot of people talk about how the method of his death turns them off, and I CAN understand that.  What I'm wondering is whether that was the one thing that tipped anyone from "kill him" to "spare him".

Not me. 
Firstly, you don't know she's going to be splattered with his blood until after you've done it already.
Secondly, though "killing a man in front of his child" seems awful, Anora is a grown woman vying for a position as Queen. If justice must be served, she'd better be able to handle it, even (and perhaps especially) if the one she has to judge is her kin. She'd be there for the execution anyway, and in the playthrough where I executed Loghain, she spoke *against* him. She knew what she was getting into when she made that decision.

[Elhanan]

Spare Loghain or not? Not; didn't care for the first one before he went flat.... *bazinga*

I recommend sparing him once to see the depth of the writing that went into this character. For myself, having an NPC dialogue be able to persuade me as a Player to alter my predetermined course of action (ie; Loghain and the DR) is a mark of superb writing.