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[horacethegrey]

Let me say first off that Shepard's romance with Garrus in ME2 was by far my favorite romance in both games. Odd that, since I thought Garrus was a rather bland and vanilla character in ME1. The sequel made him one of my favorites by giving him loads of character development and personality (though I do agree w/ most peoples gripes about the lack of dialogue *cough*calibrations*cough*). The romance was the icing on the cake for me though. It was at turns awkward, hilarious and in the end, very heartfelt and touching. I look forward to how it gets resolved in the final act of the trilogy.

That said, I can't help but think that the romance will encounter serious repercussions in the next game. After all, this is to my knowledge of the ME universe, the first pairing between a Human and Turian. Two races who history has shown have not gotten on the best of terms. The turians did attack humankind when they first used a Mass Relay, which led to the First Contact War. And many turians are still sore that the humans kicked their butt soundly in that conflict. Oh sure, there have been great strides for reconciliation between both races. Building the Normandy for one, the Turian Hierarchy  paying reparations for human losses at the Battle of Shanxi according to news reports, and of course, a Turian Spectre (Nihlus) recommending a human (Shepard) to the Spectres.

But of course, there are those in Hierarchy who regard humans with suspicion or worse, contempt and would like nothing more than humans to fade away from Council Space altogether. There are mild cases (Executor Palin,Councilor "airquotes"), and then there's borderline full on hate (Joram Talid, Vyrnnus, and of course, Saren Arterius).

Not that humans are any better. The Terra Firma party will bring up the Batlle of Shanxi and the First Contact War as a reason not to trust the turian race (then again, they hate all aliens), and Donnel Udina isn't exactly a calming voice of reason in Turian/Human relations (in retrospect though, he treats all of the Council races in much the same way). And some members in the Alliance military are distrustful of the Hierarchy (Ashley, Navigator Pressly, Rear Admiral Mikhailovich).

So with that said, there's potential for a lot of drama come ME3 when the first Human Spectre's and her Turian loverboy's dalliance comes to light. It'll be one of the many trials Shepard has to face, albeit a personal one. 

So what do all of you think? Discuss.

[no swearing, please]

Modifié par horacethegrey, 08 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[PsyrenY]

Wall of text crits you for 550 HP

You die

Ah, much better.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 10 septembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[ArcanistLibram]

I will be sad if people have nothing better to do than gossip about Shepard's sex life.

[Xilizhra]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

I will be sad if people have nothing better to do than gossip about Shepard's sex life.

Really? I'd find it awesome. Of course, in my case, human/asari relationships aren't all that uncommon, so there wouldn't be as much talk, but still...

[Mox Ruuga]

Why would there be a ****storm about some dead turian?

[horacethegrey]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

I will be sad if people have nothing better to do than gossip about Shepard's sex life.

It's more than just about sex. It's the fact that a prominent representative of humanity (Shepard) having a relationship with a turian. A race I've pointed out that many humans do not trust. And it's the same vice versa. There's bound to be some political fallout to be involved.

Modifié par horacethegrey, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Also, where did the idea come from that this is the "first pairing". I got the impression from Mordin that interracial relationships are pretty common, if not spoken about openly.

[Neria Rose]

horacethegrey wrote...

That said, I can't help but think that the romance will encounter serious repercussions in the next game. After all, this is to my knowledge of the ME universe, the first pairing between a Human and Turian. Two races who history has shown have not gotten on the best of terms. The turians did attack humankind when they first used a Mass Relay, which led to the First Contact War. And many turians are still sore that the humans kicked their butt soundly in that conflict. Oh sure, there have been great strides for reconciliation between both races. Building the Normandy for one, the Turian Hierarchy  paying reparations for human losses at the Battle of Shanxi according to news reports, and of course, a Turian Spectre (Nihlus) recommending a human (Shepard) to the Spectres. 

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So what do all of you think? Discuss.

The first prominent relationship between a human and Turian, yes, most likely. The first ever, unlikely. In ME1 you have a Turian NPC ask female Shepard if she would be dancing later, implying there was at least one Turian in ME1 who found human females attractive. In ME2, during Samara's LM, you have the drunk Turian creep who says he 'doesn't care if it's with you or this b----, he's just out to have good times' or something along those lines. That implies to me he may have been intimate with a human female before. Not in a sweet romantic fashion, but certainly in a pay-for-favors sorta way. Or he may not have been, but was definitely willing to try.

Edit: Oh, and to answer your question, I think it'd be pretty neat to have at least a little gossip (if only heard over the newscasts) about Shep's relationship with Garrus.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 10 septembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Stinkface27]

If Garrus is in ME3 =( He could potentially be dead, so we've yet to see if BioWare will write him into the game.



Given that he is though, I would imagine the whole Turian/Human thing will be played down a lot, maybe to make it seem natural? Like Neria Rose points out, there are references to the pairing in other points in both games.

[horacethegrey]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Also, where did the idea come from that this is the "first pairing". I got the impression from Mordin that interracial relationships are pretty common, if not spoken about openly.

It's the first pairing that we know of between a human and a turian. Two species who don't even have compatible DNA. Turians are more likely to mate with a Quarian as they share the same Dextro Amino Acid base. And judging from the way Garrus acts in the romance, it's probably something that's never occured.

Sure interracial relationships are common as you said. But I think humans are more likely to have relationships with Asari, or maybe even Salarians. Krogan too, but I think a human would have to be really brave (or stupid) to even attempt that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm fairly certain Shepard and Garrus aren't the first human/turian pairing in history. Didn't Garrus have to do research first? How could he have done that if they were first? Besides, where would Mordin have gotten his diagrams from?

[HomicidialFrog]

In Relevation interspecies is actually VERY common. (People and their fetishes...)

And Salarians are don't have parts and only mate for breeding. So a Salarian-Alien relationship would be impossible. They'd be friends only.

Modifié par HomicidialFrog, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:33 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm fairly certain Shepard and Garrus aren't the first human/turian pairing in history. Didn't Garrus have to do research first? How could he have done that if they were first? Besides, where would Mordin have gotten his diagrams from?

Exactly. Mordin sends her a whole booklet with demonstration videos. Clearly this is not the first time.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Maybe Terra Firma might give shepard and garrus ****. Though if it causes a political ****storm then why not? Thats were all the fun is. =)

[horacethegrey]

Alright I stand corrected. Humans and Turians have probably gotten it on before Shepard and Garrus. But Garrus' reluctance during the romance had me thinking that it wasn't something that was very common.

That said, I'd like to see some political intrigue regarding Shepard's relationship with Garrus. I just don't see that happening with Thane (as Drell don't have a big presence in Council Politics)  or Liara (since Asari and Human pairings seem to be very common). Maybe there'll be intrigue regarding MaleShep's romance with Tali, but it'd be confined to the Flotilla, as the Quarians lost their Council Embassy 300 years ago and do not play a big hand in galactic politics.

[horacethegrey]

And Salarians are don't have parts and only mate for breeding. So a Salarian-Alien relationship would be impossible. They'd be friends only.

I'm pretty sure some Salarians do mate for love. Remember the Asari with her Salarian dad at the souvenir shop on Ilium? Their entire exchange was about the dad looking to buy a gift for the Asari's mom as something to remember him by. Really quite touching.

[Alphia]

If it isn't made a huge deal on the Citadel or in the Alliance, certainly there are a good number of Cerberus agents who will take great exception to Shepard romancing any non-human.

[Collider]

I see it reserved to Garrus or Tali. Humans and Turians don't have the best history together, and Quarians are pretty much the galaxy's pariahs.

[Alphia]

And Salarians are don't have parts and only mate for breeding. So a Salarian-Alien relationship would be impossible. They'd be friends only.

What about the Salarian on Illium by the shop where you can get fish and model ships and the like? He was talking with his his asari step-daughter about getting something for her mom.

[Collider]

Salarians just don't tend to have romantic feelings that last long. They fade away pretty fast. That said, they do have very strong family ties. Since that Salarian on Illium had a daughter, that alone would be pretty good reason for a Salarian to stay with their partner.

Modifié par Collider, 10 septembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[jbblue05]

HomicidialFrog wrote...

In Relevation interspecies is actually VERY common. (People and their fetishes...)

And Salarians are don't have parts and only mate for breeding. So a Salarian-Alien relationship would be impossible. They'd be friends only.

I would say very common with Asari sense they will sleep with anything.

Other species I wouldn't say Very common but not unheard of.

The only species that a good number of humans would find sexual appealing is Asari

Turian females have no ass or breast  so no thank you
Krogans no thank you
Salarians no thank you
Batarians no thank you
Hanar common in Japanese tentacle rape
Elcor no thank you

Quarians are possibility because they are mammals and resemblee humans except for the three finger and two large toes
Geth could be used as sex toys.
Drell depends if the female have breast

I'm thinking all species prefer their own race even the Asari.  Why would the Asari find other species more attractive then their own?

Modifié par jbblue05, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:00 .

[horacethegrey]

jbblue05 wrote...
I'm thinking all species prefer their own race even the Asari.  Why would the Asari find other species more attractive then their own?

Asari do not prefer mating with their own, since they believe it stagnates the genepool and produces throwbacks like the Ardat-Yakshi. Hence the "pureblood" insult, as Asari look down on those who are born from Asari exclusive pairings.

[goofygoff]

I would love for Khalisah al-Jilani to bring up Shep's relationship with Garrus in ME3.

Even my straight paragon would take that renegade interrupt.

Modifié par goofygoff, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[horacethegrey]

goofygoff wrote...

I would love for Khalisah al-Jilani to bring up Shep's relationship with Garrus in ME3.

Even my straight paragon would take that renegade interrupt.

Punching her would be playing right into her hands, even as satisfying as it may be. Nah. A Paragon/Renegade bullrush on her show would humiliate her (again).

[Neria Rose]

jbblue05 wrote...

HomicidialFrog wrote...

In Relevation interspecies is actually VERY common. (People and their fetishes...)

And Salarians are don't have parts and only mate for breeding. So a Salarian-Alien relationship would be impossible. They'd be friends only.

I would say very common with Asari sense they will sleep with anything.

Other species I wouldn't say Very common but not unheard of.

The only species that a good number of humans would find sexual appealing is Asari

Turian females have no ass or breast  so no thank you
Krogans no thank you
Salarians no thank you
Batarians no thank you
Hanar common in Japanese tentacle rape
Elcor no thank you

Quarians are possibility because they are mammals and resemblee humans except for the three finger and two large toes
Geth could be used as sex toys.
Drell depends if the female have breast

I'm thinking all species prefer their own race even the Asari.  Why would the Asari find other species more attractive then their own?

First, that top bold sentence should say "humans attacted to females" not just "humans."

Secondly, your focus on breasts being the only way a female being is attractive isn't doing you nor your gender's reputation any favors. You sound like an 11-year-old boy.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 10 septembre 2010 - 06:15 .