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[Nerys]

I find the idea of my character having children horrifying frankly. If I wanted to play a game where I can have kids and enjoy their hijinks, I'd play "the sims". If our hero could have children, it would be to my great disappointment.

I have played games that featured kids as fellow party members. I got rid of the little buggers as fast as I could. Even in JE I couldn't stand the little girl (and she was better done than most). Even though I thought the guardian within her was really cool, I never had her in my party. No point.

As long as we could choose to NOT have kids in game, then I wouldn't mind. If it gives enjoyment to others, more power to ya. For me, I would sooner shove splinters under my fingernails than choose to play mommy or daddy in my favorite RPG... But, that's just me

[Russalka]

nhsk wrote...

The whole comparing child analogy to f.example elves vs. werewolves is rather odd to say the least. The story progresses anyway and the only difference it makes, is who you summon at the last battle and some npc's in Redcliffe aka. the "choice" has a minor influence on the game itself and a larger influence on the epilogue.

You can't compare that to have a child that should make a difference later on, in the plot unless it is something like "do you save the 1000 innocents or your stupid kid who wandered off to a hobbe cave?" - and that choice would mostly affect epilogue.

I'm sorry, but what are you trying to say?
I can see plenty of reasonable ways to implement the idea of offspring into the game either with minor or major impact to the gameplay. Reasonable towards the potential storyline, of which neither you or I actually truly know about. But could be a pain to implement. The epilogue would show the child's impact anyhow.

Nerys wrote...

I find the idea of my character having
children horrifying frankly. If I wanted to play a game where I can have
kids and enjoy their hijinks, I'd play "the sims". If our hero could
have children, it would be to my great disappointment.
I have
played games that featured kids as fellow party members. I got rid of
the little buggers as fast as I could. Even in JE I couldn't stand the
little girl (and she was better done than most). Even though I thought
the guardian within her was really cool, I never had her in my party. No
point.
As long as we could choose to NOT have kids in game, then I
wouldn't mind. If it gives enjoyment to others, more power to ya. For
me, I would sooner shove splinters under my fingernails than choose to
play mommy or daddy in my favorite RPG... But, that's just me

Replace words having to do with children with "romance, sex, nudity" instead and you'll have an argument that was prevalent before DA:O, or during it's early days.

But of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences. And I am sure if the unlikely does happen - children can happen, it will be just that. CAN happen. I doubt it will be forced down, just like romance wasn't or decisions within romance (hardening Leliana or Alistair for example).

Modifié par Russalka, 16 septembre 2010 - 02:25 .

[nhsk]

Russalka wrote...

I'm sorry, but what are you trying to say?
I can see plenty of reasonable ways to implement the idea of offspring into the game either with minor or major impact to the gameplay. Reasonable towards the potential storyline, of which neither you or I actually truly know about. But could be a pain to implement. The epilogue would show the child's impact anyhow.

I'm trying to say that the story progresses the same despite which action you took, and only really affects the epilogue.
Now wanting something done with the child that should drastically change the plot other than the epilogue is quite far-fetched and using the choices like those in DA:O with which army you recruit or who you put on the throne in Orzammar is somewhat mal-placed.

[Russalka]

nhsk wrote...


I'm trying to say that the story progresses the same despite which action you took, and only really affects the epilogue.
Now wanting something done with the child that should drastically change the plot other than the epilogue is quite far-fetched and using the choices like those in DA:O with which army you recruit or who you put on the throne in Orzammar is somewhat mal-placed.

Who suggested a drastical storyline revolving completely around the child anyway?
The choices with the God Baby and Dalish/Werewolves ilk were more than just short gameplay summons and epilogue stuff. And that is exactly what an optional child should be, more or less. An option, which gives dialogue, outcomes and choices. Doesn't have to be big, doesn't have to be minimal.
We are not suggesting here that the fate of Kirkwall and the whole world would go around IF Hawke has a child or not.

[nhsk]

Russalka wrote...

Who suggested a drastical storyline revolving completely around the child anyway?
The choices with the God Baby and Dalish/Werewolves ilk were more than just short gameplay summons and epilogue stuff. And that is exactly what an optional child should be, more or less. An option, which gives dialogue, outcomes and choices. Doesn't have to be big, doesn't have to be minimal.
We are not suggesting here that the fate of Kirkwall and the whole world would go around IF Hawke has a child or not.

From some comments earlier on, it very much seemed like people wanted it to have major gameplay importance.

But having the child, affecting epilogue and possible giving a sidequest or two I could live with. Or perhaps a different choice at some point, but nothing besides that. As long as people who opt not to  have it isn't "cheated" for content or compensated by something which people that opt to have it doesn't get.

[Russalka]

It is rather late to make suggestions about immense plot devices or events anyway, I think.

God (read: DG) knows how far they are with the storyline, how finished it is.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:30 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Russalka wrote...

It is rather late to make suggestions about immense plot devices or events anyway, I think.

God (read: DG) knows how far they are with the storyline, how finished it is.

The game is out in five months... so hopefully they're most of the way done. 

[Russalka]

It was six months a few days ago and 7 months a few weeks ago. NO LOGIC. I don't know when the ETA is, but that's what I saw people saying.

But I don't know. if it is pointless to suggest things like these anymore or not. Or just speculate now.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:22 .

[Patriciachr34]

From David Gaider's comment, I got the impression that it will be a choice, but not a major plot point. So, if you want to you can. If you do not want to, don't. Problem solved.

Edit:  That being said, David is a sly devil.   So we will just ahve to wait until the game is released to find out.

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:31 .

[Kyda]

Aradace wrote...

Yep, and then I would do what was necessary afterward and kill her.  Because as my child, she would have been "warned" ahead of time of the danger.  And if she chose to disregard my warnings, it's her problem to deal with.  Man, woman, child, I dont have sympathy for anyone who brings suffering upon themselves

Sten, is that you?... 

[SirOccam]

Russalka wrote...

It was six months a few days ago and 7 months a few weeks ago. NO LOGIC. I don't know when the ETA is, but that's what I saw people saying.

The wonders of rounding off.

The game comes out March 8th, so 5 and a half is pretty close. A few days ago (like, say, September 8th), "6 months" was spot-on. A few weeks ago (like, say, 5 weeks ago), "7 months" was pretty damn close too.

[Rhayth]

I would imagine if you can have a kid as a femHawke and male Hawke could just as easily get someone impregnated...that would be interesting.

[Fatex3]

Why would that be interesting, you can have sex in real life and have those possibilities. I can't go kill Darkspawn and Dragons in real life so its fun.



Unless the first part of my statement is false... hmmm.

[Russalka]

Fatex3 wrote...

Why would that be interesting, you can have sex in real life and have those possibilities. I can't go kill Darkspawn and Dragons in real life so its fun.

Unless the first part of my statement is false... hmmm.

So, a good book to you is only about killing monsters and dragons, then?
Everyone has different tastes.

Modifié par Russalka, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:37 .

[Aradace]

Kyda wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Yep, and then I would do what was necessary afterward and kill her.  Because as my child, she would have been "warned" ahead of time of the danger.  And if she chose to disregard my warnings, it's her problem to deal with.  Man, woman, child, I dont have sympathy for anyone who brings suffering upon themselves

Sten, is that you?... 

"No" lol

[Fatex3]

Russalka, who said anything about a book? DA 2 is a video game.



My interest in books is vastly different from my interest in Video game.

[Russalka]

DA game series actually have a plot next to all the darkspawn and dragon killing. A plot not unlike a good literary piece. Things like this happen in books, and in games as well.

And STILL people like different things. So don't say "WHY would this and that be interesting", clearly people want it. and DO find it interesting.

Modifié par Russalka, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[mopotter]

 If i'ts possible, they had best have some kind of root that can be used as birth control otherwise it's going to be a long lonely 10 years.  

If I want to play parent, I'll play my sims 3.  The sims toddlers are sooooo cute and time consuming. Fable's were just weird.  I don't want babies and toddlers in a this kind of game.

As long as we have some kind of birth control I don't care.  Don't see the point, but don't really care.  

[Bobad]

some people wrote...
stuff.....  

I'm quite intrigued by the whole idea.  So long as said child(ren) do not require micro-management.

[mopotter]

Nerys wrote...

I find the idea of my character having children horrifying frankly. If I wanted to play a game where I can have kids and enjoy their hijinks, I'd play "the sims". If our hero could have children, it would be to my great disappointment.
I have played games that featured kids as fellow party members. I got rid of the little buggers as fast as I could. Even in JE I couldn't stand the little girl (and she was better done than most). Even though I thought the guardian within her was really cool, I never had her in my party. No point.
As long as we could choose to NOT have kids in game, then I wouldn't mind. If it gives enjoyment to others, more power to ya. For me, I would sooner shove splinters under my fingernails than choose to play mommy or daddy in my favorite RPG... But, that's just me

:happy:  Horrifying.  Like it.    I don't really mind kids between oh 10 and 15 in the game.  I liked the kid in JE and I liked Mission in KOTOR.   I just don't want Hawke's kid in the game, Lady or Gentelman Hawke's kid and I don't want babies or toddlers.  I agree, that's what sims' is for.  

The whole idea of having a baby, then what?   A cinematic cut scene showing Hawke change it's diaper or clean up it's puke, teaching the kid how to kill a chicken and then 7 years have gone by.  Or leaving it with neighbors because Hawke has to go out and save/or destroy someone dropping in every few years to say  "HI i'm your parent.  getting a bit taller aren't you."  No I would rather not. 

I agree, as long as it's a choice I don't really care. 

[Russalka]

So, depth of storyline and exploring the many possibilities of Hawke's family is too Sims for people?



And if people wouldn't just read the most recent page, it has been suggested to be optional anyway.

[Pawlem]

It'd be interesting, to be honest, but I'm still not sure if I agree with this idea.

[Bobad]

I can't really see it being anything but optional, as all LI in these games are always optional, unless a female Hawke is to suffer immaculate conception.

[mopotter]

Russalka wrote...

Replace words having to do with children with "romance, sex, nudity" instead and you'll have an argument that was prevalent before DA:O, or during it's early days.

But of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences. And I am sure if the unlikely does happen - children can happen, it will be just that. CAN happen. I doubt it will be forced down, just like romance wasn't or decisions within romance (hardening Leliana or Alistair for example).

Disagree.  Romance, sex and love involve two adults,  You bring a child or baby into the mix and it changes the tone of the game.  Will the parent be allowed to kill the baby after it's born or desert it, will the one who is preg. be allowed to terminate the pregnancy or forced to have it.  Will you have to remember to take that root extract to keep from getting pregnant or just assume that the female is doing something to keep from having kids.

Either you leave the kid with someone else to raise, which I find lame, or you spend 9 or 10 years raising it to survive.

If they do include having kids, I hope they include all of the responsibilities - change diapers, make sure it eats, that you have the whether your Lady Hawke or Gentleman Hawke.  No leaving the kid with the other parent.  That's a copout like Fable.  If they are going to put in the consequence of having sex without protection, they need to include the whole kit and kaboodle.   Kids are a responsibility.  ummm maybe they could use it to promote safe sex.  

And they definitely need to make it a choice, which I'm sure they will.  

[KLUME777]

I dont see why everyone is against this idea. It would really give the game and characters depth if it is done well.



And to those who say they opt not to have a kid, what about dark sacrifice? Unless you did US in your canon, then you have already had a child.