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Is Lady Hawke fertile/Can we have children?


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Saibh wrote...

On that note, I actually don't know if I'd like to have kids in DA2. It depends, I suppose. How much of an obligation are they? Do they get kidnapped (if so, no, keep the nasty little monsters away)? What about non-human LIs, do you have kids with them? Not to mention the mysterious status as "Champion". I still don't know what that's supposed to entail. If it's like a noble title, does your child get it? What if their, like, half-elf or something?

Personally, I think this would be interesting from a male perspective--you knock up your LI, go away for a year, come back and BAM--baby!

I think it could be great or it could suck...it just depends on how they implement it.

Most people use Fable 2 as an example of why it would suck, and even though I love the Fable franchise, I agree, and probably my main gripe with those games is that there is too much freedom, because it comes at the expense of story. You can marry anyone, so that means that no one has any kind of personality, for example. It has all kinds of breadth but not much depth.

That said...the impact it had when my character's child went missing in a Hobbe cave surprised even myself. I had the same complaints about the lack of interaction with the child as I did for any other NPC, but when little Laura (a name the game even chose for me) was in danger that became the #1 priority. I was honestly frantic. It was probably the strongest sense of urgency I felt out of the whole game.

So I guess what I'm saying is if a game as (comparatively) shallow as Fable can evoke that kind of response, imagine what a Dragon Age game could do with it. Most people seem to recognize the storytelling potential that having Hawke's family around can have...well with a child it's like that but times ten.

Logistically speaking, there are a few things they'd have to iron out, like non-human LIs (though elves wouldn't change anything because elf/human children are human). One possible solution would be to restrict it to certain LIs...like one per gender, and both human or elf. So only one woman can be made pregnant by male Hawke, and only one man can impregnate a female Hawke. This would solve the "hybrid" issue as well as help mollify those who might feel like they don't have a choice in the matter outside of abstinence.

I don't think the issue of actually spending 9 months pregnant is much of a problem. There are going to be time jumps, and I don't think that would be too long to skip. Another possibility...perhaps there could be a "window of opportunity." Perhaps only doing the deed within that window will lead to a pregnancy, so it can only occur over a certain time jump.

Anyway, if they really want to put it in, I'm sure the writers can do an infinitely better job of coming up with solutions than I can.

Modifié par SirOccam, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:57 .


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I think it could be fantastic, if handled maturely, and it added to the story. And if it adds to the story, there's a good chance that we may get Hawke babies. 10 years is a long time, and I think it would be nice to either have multiple romance over the ten years, or perhaps get married and have a kid. The choice is yours.

Yeah, I'd really like that.

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Saibh wrote...

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LOL... well, male players in origins did get a child... or at least some did


You could technically be a step-mother, if you married Alistair.


I think it was a reference to the fact that a male dwarf noble can become a Father over the course of Origins. There's even consequences of it later on.

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Warden's have an extremely low fertility rate, but they CAN breed with others, even other Wardens, but successful conception is rare.

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As long as its purely optional - why not. Wouldn't be my choice of a fun time in a game but different strokes etc..

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SirOccam wrote...

You won't get pregnant unless the story calls for it (if it's possible at all), so if you do get pregnant, it will be a big influence on the story. It's not like they'd have you give birth and the extent of it is there's now a kid following you around.


I think so too. I remember David Gaider also mentioned something in the PAX chats about there being child characters in DA2 that will physically age throughout the story (this was prompted by somebody asking if Hawke will physically age at all). The fact that there IS at least one character in the game who you see often enough to grow up makes me think Hawke can have kids. But like SirOccam said it would most likely be something that becomes an significant plot point...

My guess is that there could be a storyline option to have a baby with certain LIs (not all of them, just one or two, maybe only one guy for Lady Hawke and one girl for Male Hawke - others LIs won't have the same option), and if you do choose to go through with that option the baby that's born is one already predetermined by the writers (you don't get to pick the name or gender or anything). Also, I think it would be something that comes up only during a certain time period (or chapter) in the game, right before a point where the game skips ahead a year or so to avoid the pregnancy period.

And if you do have a child I would bet that Hawke's mother would raise him/her mostly (or just general surviving relatives in the Free Marches). If Bethany doesn't turn out to be a long term party member maybe she raises the kid? And maybe it's up to you as the player how often in the 10 year or so period Hawke drops by to spend quality time.

I think I'd like the new possibilities presented by Hawke being a parent... For one thing I think it'd be interesting if there's a villain who threatens Hawke's kid(s), and possibly kills them. If the writers wanted to make this really dark (and gut wrenching) fantasy that could happen (would be especially dark if the kid dying is a canon storyline - like it's impossible to save Shandra Jerro in NWN2 or Yoshimo in BG2, or both Ashley and Kaidan in ME).
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I wouldn't want that though... I would want to be able to save Hawke's babies. :unsure:

Modifié par Minxie18, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:54 .


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NKKKK wrote...

I would love a BioWare comment in here.


Bioware response (any similarity to actual dev is coincidental): Snarky comment, followed by sarcasm in a dismissive tone and finally a "You'll have to wait and see"



But but but!!!  Snarky sarcasm is why we love them!   Also, they do occassionally hit us with some interesting infos.

Besides, you know we all like it rough.

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Taint Master wrote...

Since Hawke isn't a Warden, does that mean Lady Hawke can get pregnant if she sleeps around?  What happens then? :huh:



Fun fact, 9/10  people who have babies regret it, but never openly admit it :).  This woman at work was talking about her new baby and the mucus, she had this look on her face like "I thought babies were supposed to be cute and fun" not a ton of stress and work

My female hawke is gonna be busy adventuring, not being a Kate Goselin

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Haexpane wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Since Hawke isn't a Warden, does that mean Lady Hawke can get pregnant if she sleeps around?  What happens then? :huh:



Fun fact, 9/10  people who have babies regret it, but never openly admit it :).  This woman at work was talking about her new baby and the mucus, she had this look on her face like "I thought babies were supposed to be cute and fun" not a ton of stress and work

My female hawke is gonna be busy adventuring, not being a Kate Goselin



Varric could cange that if you know what i meanImage IPB

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distinguetraces wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
PLUS, we know she's going to end up running the show up in Kirkwall.... and a major duty of any sovereign is to provide for the succession.


I dunno -- as we saw in Origins, inheriting rule by blood is contrary to tradition in at least in one culture of Thedas, and the "Viscount" title in Kirkwall is a relic of a past system -- have devs confirmed that the title is inheritable? Fan speculation I saw was that Hawke would marry into the title, but he could just as well seize it or win it by acclamation.

Given that either a male or female Hawke is selectable, I think saddling LadyHawke and her alone with "Squeeze out an heir or else!" would be pretty awkward for the storyline.


That's a fair enough point... we just don't know yet.  :lol:  Given the option, my Hawkette will be seizing power, thank you.  The Champion of Kirkwall is going to something those under her protection with whisper second only to Andraste.  And come to think of it, the hell with Andraste.

I do disagree that it would be awkward through.  Hawkette can get knocked up in just moments (quicker if I was with her!  Wait, what did I just say?)  and then a single two year time jump could have her squirting the tyke out and back in fighting form.  Leliana could sing through the montage, there would be something funny with a Mabari warhound...  It would rule.

And!  The male Hawk could just as easily doing the deed with some fetching lass and then have a two year time jump where things are relatively peaceful.  The above montage could play... or even better, while the Hawk-child is growing up over two years, the player could control Bethany or another companion as they go on some grand adventure. 

Bethany could grow her hair long...  Varric could get glasses and form a union....  Flemeth could take up teaching school...  It like it has all happened before!  ^_^^_^^_^

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My Female Hawke is gonna go all Wanda Sykes on the place... i.e. marry a hawt french chick.



Pro tip. Never mention to your girlfriend how hawt Wanda Syke's french wife is, and definitely do not follow it up w/ an "OOoh La La"

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sw33t nothings wrote...

I think it could be fantastic, if handled maturely, and it added to the story. And if it adds to the story, there's a good chance that we may get Hawke babies. 10 years is a long time, and I think it would be nice to either have multiple romance over the ten years, or perhaps get married and have a kid. The choice is yours.
Yeah, I'd really like that.

I'm confused. Is the game ten years long or does it take place ten years from DA:O?

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Madame Lanka wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

I think it could be fantastic, if handled maturely, and it added to the story. And if it adds to the story, there's a good chance that we may get Hawke babies. 10 years is a long time, and I think it would be nice to either have multiple romance over the ten years, or perhaps get married and have a kid. The choice is yours.
Yeah, I'd really like that.

I'm confused. Is the game ten years long or does it take place ten years from DA:O?

IS this game 10 years long I WISH!!!! no it takes place 10 years from DA:O 

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FireCabbage wrote...

Warden's have an extremely low fertility rate, but they CAN breed with others, even other Wardens, but successful conception is rare.


Wardens cannot have children with other Wardens naturally, Gaider explained it in an Alistair / Queen Cousland thread a long time ago.

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Madame Lanka wrote...

I'm confused. Is the game ten years long or does it take place ten years from DA:O?


You start the game while Lothering is being destroyed in DA:O, meaning shortly after the Warden starts adventuring. The game spans the next ten years after that event.

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Blasto the jelly wrote...

Madame Lanka wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

I think it could be fantastic, if handled maturely, and it added to the story. And if it adds to the story, there's a good chance that we may get Hawke babies. 10 years is a long time, and I think it would be nice to either have multiple romance over the ten years, or perhaps get married and have a kid. The choice is yours.
Yeah, I'd really like that.

I'm confused. Is the game ten years long or does it take place ten years from DA:O?

IS this game 10 years long I WISH!!!! no it takes place 10 years from DA:O 


Well. Wish granted. It's ten years long. It starts during DAO, spans ten years.

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Madame Lanka wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

I think it could be fantastic, if handled maturely, and it added to the story. And if it adds to the story, there's a good chance that we may get Hawke babies. 10 years is a long time, and I think it would be nice to either have multiple romance over the ten years, or perhaps get married and have a kid. The choice is yours.
Yeah, I'd really like that.

I'm confused. Is the game ten years long or does it take place ten years from DA:O?


the story is about 10 years of hawke's life, starting at the darkspawn invasion  of lothering

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Dave of Canada wrote...

FireCabbage wrote...

Warden's
have an extremely low fertility rate, but they CAN breed with others,
even other Wardens, but successful conception is rare.


Wardens
cannot have children with other Wardens naturally, Gaider explained it
in an Alistair / Queen Cousland thread a long time ago.

Though there is a loophole around it. You could do it before one or both of you become wardens.

Modifié par Dynamomark, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:46 .


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Dynamomark wrote...

Though there is a loophole around it. You could do it before one or both of you become wardens.


But that's not between two Wardens, that's between somebody who is still normal and a Warden. :P

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:56 .


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Maverick827 wrote...

Can we, as a community, now agree that "Hawkette" is the preferred term over "Lady Hawke?"
Cool, thanks.


YES.  I'm going to start a new group:   Friends of Hawkette. 

FemHawke is unsatisfying.

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Saibh wrote...

Blasto the jelly wrote...

Madame Lanka wrote...

sw33t nothings wrote...

I think it could be fantastic, if handled maturely, and it added to the story. And if it adds to the story, there's a good chance that we may get Hawke babies. 10 years is a long time, and I think it would be nice to either have multiple romance over the ten years, or perhaps get married and have a kid. The choice is yours.
Yeah, I'd really like that.

I'm confused. Is the game ten years long or does it take place ten years from DA:O?

IS this game 10 years long I WISH!!!! no it takes place 10 years from DA:O 


Well. Wish granted. It's ten years long. It starts during DAO, spans ten years.

I know that Saibh JEEZ  i meant the actual game takes 10 years to completeImage IPB

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My hawke has no plans of getting himself pregnant.

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Russalka wrote...

The growing up part would be done in the timeshift.

Exactly. I believe there's three-year timeshifts between each chapter of the story, so it'd be quite easy for Hawke to settle down and have a kid before something draws her back into the fray.

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Darthnemesis2 wrote...

My hawke has no plans of getting himself pregnant.

"getting himself pregnant" Did anybody find that part...well..Image IPB

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................ People really want to spend their DA2 experience staying up late and changing diapers?.... To each their own I suppose.