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[DadeLeviathan]

Given that ME3 will be the last game in the franchise, Bioware has to make ME3 their masterpiece as far as Mass Effect is concerned. It has to be better in every way than Me 1 and 2 in order to make it a satisfying ending. If it is still AMAZING, but not amazing enough, it will be ripped apart for being so. I'm not saying this as much from my personal opinion as just the reality of the industry.

Return of the Jedi wasn't the epic finale-to-end-all-finales that Star Wars deserves after how good Empire was, and even though it's hardly a bad film it's made fun of for ALL Of its bad qualities even today almost 30 years later. Bioware has to do ME3 right and make it the best they possibly can, or else it will be a huge letdown despite how good it is. If it isn't the Mass Effect to end all Mass Effects, then it won't be lauded, no matter how good it is. That's just the nature of doing a series.

On top of that, it has to tie up ALL the loose ends, give the satisfaction the players need, etc. If they take the regular approach of "Leave them wanting more" Then players will flip the **** out. It's unfortunate, but that's the case with doing a series that will have an eventual end. If you don't satisfy all the plot threads, and make it bigger and better than ever, the fans will revolt.

So Bioware has to make ME3 their Return of the King, and NOT their Return of the Jedi.

[Atilius the Hun]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Given that ME3 will be the last game in the franchise, Bioware has to make ME3 their masterpiece as far as Mass Effect is concerned. It has to be better in every way than Me 1 and 2 in order to make it a satisfying ending. If it is still AMAZING, but not amazing enough, it will be ripped apart for being so. I'm not saying this as much from my personal opinion as just the reality of the industry.

Return of the Jedi wasn't the epic finale-to-end-all-finales that Star Wars deserves after how good Empire was, and even though it's hardly a bad film it's made fun of for ALL Of its bad qualities even today almost 30 years later. Bioware has to do ME3 right and make it the best they possibly can, or else it will be a huge letdown despite how good it is. If it isn't the Mass Effect to end all Mass Effects, then it won't be lauded, no matter how good it is. That's just the nature of doing a series.

On top of that, it has to tie up ALL the loose ends, give the satisfaction the players need, etc. If they take the regular approach of "Leave them wanting more" Then players will flip the **** out. It's unfortunate, but that's the case with doing a series that will have an eventual end. If you don't satisfy all the plot threads, and make it bigger and better than ever, the fans will revolt.

So Bioware has to make ME3 their Return of the King, and NOT their Return of the Jedi.

Really good points.  So true.

[AdmiralCheez]

I'd rather have it done right than done fast. However, I'd like it released before my hardware becomes outdated. My poor graphics card can barely chug through StarCraft 2 on medium settings...

[Vena_86]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I'd rather have it done right than done fast. However, I'd like it released before my hardware becomes outdated. My poor graphics card can barely chug through StarCraft 2 on medium settings...

It will be most likely be released for the same console generation, which means that it simply can not demand better hardware than currently. ME2 looks better AND runs smoother than ME1, because of engine optimization. If you can run ME1, then you certainly can run ME3. So that is not really a factor to consider.

Modifié par Vena_86, 23 novembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[gethslayer7]

its not neccisarly thier last and done right

[AdmiralCheez]

Vena_86 wrote...

It will be most likely be released for the same console generation, which means that it simply can not demand better hardware than currently. ME2 looks better AND runs smoother than ME1, because of engine optimization. If you can run ME1, then you certainly can run ME3. So that is not really a factor to consider.

Ah.  In that case, I'll wait as long as it takes.  Can't whip up a masterpiece overnight and all that.

I'm guessing it'll come out sometime in 2012.

[Art3m]

While you people argue here all the time, go and read The Honour Harrington series. Kind of Shepard's story. And yes, for those femshep lovers, the hero is a female;)

[Evil Johnny 666]

I just hope they make bigger hub worlds with more quests, that they manage to tie in missions with the rest of the planet, to make interesting areas and spaces which aren't just there so you can shoot your way through. They need to make a sort of ME1-ME2 hybrid, similar gameplay mechanics but un-formulatic level design. ALL missions were just; fight your way - each encounter with more or less reinforcements - get a scripted event conversation (ie. not a quest you can take from someone or talk to someone about what is happening, there's none of that at all), more fighting, maybe some other conversations, etc. Why missions can't ask us to find a way to get a pass to get outside - everyone always agrees the moment you ask them, basically you just talk to someone and the mission starts, nothing special to do - reach somewhere, find a way to get a station back up WHILE shooting enemies, exploring the station; the linear design of ME2 would never allow us that, there's no sense of place, no specific area for you to walk around doing things, which is a pretty strong RPG element in the genre. There's no talking to the inhabitants of the station, learning about happenings and doing quests, it's ALL about shooting your way through. ME1 had variety, simply fight your way (first by mako) to Liara, or the mission I described, or land on a colony suffering geth attacks, helping them and trying to understand what is happening, doing mini-quests and all, returning to the colony to continue the quest, there's no backtracking at all, it feels repetitive and with such an awesome universe, I don't want more shooting, I want more interesting places, people to talk, quests to do, etc. Isn't what an rpg is supposed to be about? I know the gameplay was inferior in ME1 (although more complex in a way), but I never felt like I was playing a shooter at times, with ME2 I often get that feeling during missions when I shoot for 30 minutes.

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 23 novembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[trepwns]

well hopefully mass effect 3 does tie up loose ends there's no doubt me3 will be probably the best because it the last one there making which sucks by the way because i don't want mass effect to end

[MajesticJazz]

robtheguru wrote...

I'd be content having DLC for the next 3 years just aslong as it meant ME3 was perfect. Hopefully 30+ hours worths of compulsory content plus another 20+ of optional assignments, missions and the like. I'd even pay £100 for it.

I just want it to be a long and extremely satisfying experience.

I am with you. I wouldn't mind not getting ME3 until sometime in 2013 if it mean that it would be the ultimate game, as long as Bioware supplied us with atleast three-five 6-8 hour gap briding DLCs in between. However, EA will never let Bioware do that and most fans wouldn't like that.

Hell, if it was up to most fans, we would have had ME3 released this month! People want great games but yet they do not have the patience to wait for them.

[maxut85]

I think they'll be done with it pretty quick.  ME 2 ended up being a much more polished experience. While spending the same amount of time on it. I think Their getting better and better at this stuff.

[Sursion]

I don't care if it takes 10 years. Quality always comes first.

Modifié par Sursion, 23 novembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[shinobi602]

Sursion wrote...

I don't care if it takes 10 years. Quality always comes first.

Yeaaa sorry I'd rather not have another Duke Nukem please.

Anyway, Bioware already stated countless times it will come out sooner rather than later. I'm 99% sure it's either a Winter 2011 release, or early early 2012 release, like January 2012.

They said the game engine is right where they want it to be, very minimal tweaking needs to be done, and Casey Hudson said the game will be easier to make than the previous Mass Effect games due to not having to worry about continuity into a 4th ME game.

Winter 2011 is my guess.

[Evil Johnny 666]

shinobi602 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

I don't care if it takes 10 years. Quality always comes first.

Yeaaa sorry I'd rather not have another Duke Nukem please.

Anyway, Bioware already stated countless times it will come out sooner rather than later. I'm 99% sure it's either a Winter 2011 release, or early early 2012 release, like January 2012.

They said the game engine is right where they want it to be, very minimal tweaking needs to be done, and Casey Hudson said the game will be easier to make than the previous Mass Effect games due to not having to worry about continuity into a 4th ME game.

Winter 2011 is my guess.

Too soon. I have a bad impression Mass Effect 3 will just be Mass Effect 2 part 2, more of the same, the game was already repetitive and formulatic enough as it is. I enjoyed it no doubt, as I enjoyed planetary exploration in ME1 which was repetitive too, I'm glad it's not on ME2 as is (I would've like it in some other way) as the countless identical quests (even more repetitive and formulatic than in ME2), but since the ME games are "rpgs" (ME1 is one for sure), they last long and thus more of the same would be very redundant. There's no sign of having this different unfortunately, while everyone had qualms with ME1, it seems critics only talked about what Bioware improved in ME2, rather than every element making the game, and new things those improvements brought. It's funny how everyone hailed the new combat system while quests have been linear and repetitive as ever, it's strange no one noticed how ME1's quests were much, much more varied and well contructed. At least the sights were always awesome and the conversations good. No one even talked about smaller hub worlds with less to do, and how 'your' Shepard is pretty much only the big choices you do, the LI you choose, the gender you are and if you're a renegade or paragon, most discussions feel more like you choosing wether or not you should ask more, as the game encourages you being a purely paragon or renegade character, and that is a one time choice. There's plenty of things they can change to make ME3 so much better, but I'm afraid they'd rest on their laurels and make a too much similar sequel as most developpers do nowadays, and it seems Bioware are following trends these times...

[shinobi602]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Too soon. I have a bad impression Mass Effect 3 will just be Mass Effect 2 part 2, more of the same, the game was already repetitive and formulatic enough as it is. I enjoyed it no doubt, as I enjoyed planetary exploration in ME1 which was repetitive too, I'm glad it's not on ME2 as is (I would've like it in some other way) as the countless identical quests (even more repetitive and formulatic than in ME2), but since the ME games are "rpgs" (ME1 is one for sure), they last long and thus more of the same would be very redundant. There's no sign of having this different unfortunately, while everyone had qualms with ME1, it seems critics only talked about what Bioware improved in ME2, rather than every element making the game, and new things those improvements brought. It's funny how everyone hailed the new combat system while quests have been linear and repetitive as ever, it's strange no one noticed how ME1's quests were much, much more varied and well contructed. At least the sights were always awesome and the conversations good. No one even talked about smaller hub worlds with less to do, and how 'your' Shepard is pretty much only the big choices you do, the LI you choose, the gender you are and if you're a renegade or paragon, most discussions feel more like you choosing wether or not you should ask more, as the game encourages you being a purely paragon or renegade character, and that is a one time choice. There's plenty of things they can change to make ME3 so much better, but I'm afraid they'd rest on their laurels and make a too much similar sequel as most developpers do nowadays, and it seems Bioware are following trends these times...

You feel that way, that's fine. I thought ME2 was excellent, in fact, it's probably my favorite game this gen, with ME1 being a close second.

That doesn't really have anything to do with when ME3 will come out anyway...

[Evil Johnny 666]

shinobi602 wrote...

That doesn't really have anything to do with when ME3 will come out anyway...

The faster it comes out, the less work is put on ME3. If they want to release it as fast as possible, which has to do with when ME3 will come out, well that draws me concerns, isn't that related?

[shinobi602]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

The faster it comes out, the less work is put on ME3. If they want to release it as fast as possible, which has to do with when ME3 will come out, well that draws me concerns, isn't that related?

Winter 2011/January 2012 is is the timeline as between the other 2 games...how is that fast anyway? Mass Effect 3 will be easier to develop and make, according to Bioware itself, so even 2 years is a great amount of time to get it done. They even started on it since before ME2 shipped.

Plenty of time, and the script was completely finished a while ago for ME3. They have good time.

[Sursion]

shinobi602 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

I don't care if it takes 10 years. Quality always comes first.

Yeaaa sorry I'd rather not have another Duke Nukem please.

Anyway, Bioware already stated countless times it will come out sooner rather than later. I'm 99% sure it's either a Winter 2011 release, or early early 2012 release, like January 2012.

They said the game engine is right where they want it to be, very minimal tweaking needs to be done, and Casey Hudson said the game will be easier to make than the previous Mass Effect games due to not having to worry about continuity into a 4th ME game.

Winter 2011 is my guess.

So even if Bioware said something terrible happened and they wouldn't be able to make a fully functional game for another 2-3 years, you'd demand they release it in 2011? You're the kind of market that has been driving EA towards global domination.

Modifié par Sursion, 24 novembre 2010 - 02:25 .

[nubbers666]

i would love nothing more than to play me3 asap but i have seen a lot of good games go bad due to rushing them and since this will be the last mass effect i would prefer it to be as good as it can possibly be



so please take your time on it and make sure its done right the frist time

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Even if it takes them five years, I want them to do ME3 right.

[sympathy4saren]

I hope they take their time

[Fiery Phoenix]

Spuudle wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Done fast AND right

You can't carry two apples with one hand.

What a bizzare statement!

It's true, though. It's either one or the other. Obviously the majority would like it to be done right rather than fast.

[shinobi602]

Sursion wrote...

So even if Bioware said something terrible happened and they wouldn't be able to make a fully functional game for another 2-3 years, you'd demand they release it in 2011? You're the kind of market that has been driving EA towards global domination.

The hell lol? No I wouldn't demand it, I didn't mention or hint at demanding anything in my post. I was just saying when I personally believe it will come out...

[Bourne Endeavor]

I believe it should be released on December 21, 2012. Why? It would be symbolic. The world would technically cease to exist for us all as we log god only knows how many hours into the much anticipated ME3. And hey, if there is a Reapers win ending. The world of Mass Effect ends. So huuzah!