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[Sique Foque]

One point in the article of Bishop isn't quite accurate: The dancing of Femshep in Mass Effect 1 was a strictly female dance, with sensual hip movement (loved it!). Only in the second game she dances like wood.

I agree, that there shouldn't be that much gender specific differences but i do I love the subtle ones. Like the dancing in part 1 or the new animation in LoftSB, where Femshep sits on the bed like a woman.

And I think this is important and there should be more shlight differences (especially in her character / lines), because otherwise the female Shepard is just a masculinized hero without a female identity.

[javierabegazo]

@Dinkamus_Littlelog



I need to ask you to sit out from this thread. You will be contacted shortly

[Sentox6]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

It is a fact as rooted in reality as the sky being blue that FemShepard's voice acting is more convincing, more passionate and better delivered than MicrosoftSamShepard's monotonous, inappropriately spikey, emotionless, passionless, read-straight-off-a-card-with-absolutely-no-substance voice "acting."

then take a reality check - the part i bolded describes Hale's performance perfectly in places, as evidence i would cite the little "chat" in the sky-car before the end of garrus' loyalty mission.

Whuh. Honestly, I'm not sure what's going on here. Did we get different games? I played that mission yesterday, taking the paragon route with a femshep, and... I completely fail to understand exactly what she's supposed to sound like. It's the conversation at the start of this video, right?

You've got two military personnel about to go into an operation, essentially. Is she supposed to regale him with impassioned pleas of desperation? I don't know how you interact with people, but I don't see a problem here. It's a quiet, secluded spot, it's essentially the calm before the storm, they're both serious people. Makes a lot more sense to me when delivered in a slightly flat manner than gunning for a Tony award.

Yes, I'm aware this is a criticism levelled at Meer, but he sounds like that in every single line to me, context be damned.

I guess it just illustrates how broad the range of opinion is. Even in this thread, complaints about Hale are ranging from "too flat at times" to "too emotional at times". It's true, there's no pleasing everyone:lol:

Modifié par Sentox6, 13 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Reiisha]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Im sincerely sorry that stating a known fact...

You should look up the definition of "fact". Your own facts have all been conjecture and assumptions without any proof whatsoever.

I guess you work in politics?

[krimesh]

You do know that it is kinda pointless to address someone who has been asked by a mod not to post in this thread?

[krimesh]

Oh hell know what guys? If you don't like Hale's or Meer's voice acting, try the german version of ME/ME2. First they didn't get the translation right. Second the voice actors speak the sentences as if they are absolutely unaware of the context. (The german EDI is quite good though.)

Since I made the mistake to not UK-import ME1 and ME2 at first (I bought them at the same time), after basically paying for both games twice, I experienced Meer as absolutely awesome.

[kalle90]

Good article, but this thread is all about "Which is the right gender to play as". It's clearly an opinion but people are fighting over it way too rough



I play about 50/50 and they're both good with some exceptions. It's nice to have a "normal" female character, but in the end she's just the male with different voice

[krimesh]

^^ Yeah, thats exactly what makes me feel less enthusiastic about femShep. But still, I've heard so many women say that they find her awesome, that it seems okay.

[lyssalu]

kalle90 wrote...

Good article, but this thread is all about "Which is the right gender to play as". It's clearly an opinion but people are fighting over it way too rough

I play about 50/50 and they're both good with some exceptions. It's nice to have a "normal" female character, but in the end she's just the male with different voice

she doesn't have to be different just because she's female, though.  i think that's the point.

shepard is shepard, no matter the gender - the personality doesn't need to change in order to fit some type of gender "ideal".

[Jebel Krong]

lyssalu wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Good article, but this thread is all about "Which is the right gender to play as". It's clearly an opinion but people are fighting over it way too rough

I play about 50/50 and they're both good with some exceptions. It's nice to have a "normal" female character, but in the end she's just the male with different voice

she doesn't have to be different just because she's female, though.  i think that's the point.

shepard is shepard, no matter the gender - the personality doesn't need to change in order to fit some type of gender "ideal".

huh. i said exactly that and i got flamed.

[greed89]

Jebel Krong wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Good article, but this thread is all about "Which is the right gender to play as". It's clearly an opinion but people are fighting over it way too rough

I play about 50/50 and they're both good with some exceptions. It's nice to have a "normal" female character, but in the end she's just the male with different voice

she doesn't have to be different just because she's female, though.  i think that's the point.

shepard is shepard, no matter the gender - the personality doesn't need to change in order to fit some type of gender "ideal".

huh. i said exactly that and i got flamed.

maybe ur post was "full of testosterone":?

[kalle90]

lyssalu wrote...

she doesn't have to be different just because she's female, though.  i think that's the point.

shepard is shepard, no matter the gender - the personality doesn't need to change in order to fit some type of gender "ideal".

That's what makes reading these arguments about either one being the "wrong" one annoying though. Some people act like one is superior over the other

Got to say I also dislike all the "I support femshep", people showing screenshots of their own Shepard's and alike motions. To me they're not one bit better than the "default" Shepard we see shoved at our face. In a way ME was better when it was entirely personal experience. Still, it was my own decision to come here

[lyssalu]

kalle90 wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

she doesn't have to be different just because she's female, though.  i think that's the point.

shepard is shepard, no matter the gender - the personality doesn't need to change in order to fit some type of gender "ideal".

That's what makes reading these arguments about either one being the "wrong" one annoying though. Some people act like one is superior over the other

Got to say I also dislike all the "I support femshep", people showing screenshots of their own Shepard's and alike motions. To me they're not one bit better than the "default" Shepard we see shoved at our face. In a way ME was better when it was entirely personal experience. Still, it was my own decision to come here

yeah, i wasn't a part of that mess though.  i agree that it's all really trivial, and that the real thought behind those types of arguments is "MY SHEP IS BETTER THAN YOURS" rather than just the gender being superior.

i'm just saying that i like femshep because she's not forced into fulfilling any gender roles just because she's female 

if bioware went out of their way to make her more feminine just because she's a woman,

i would rage,

anyway i also like maleshep and i'm glad we're given the option

[wizardryforever]

greed89 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Good article, but this thread is all about "Which is the right gender to play as". It's clearly an opinion but people are fighting over it way too rough

I play about 50/50 and they're both good with some exceptions. It's nice to have a "normal" female character, but in the end she's just the male with different voice

she doesn't have to be different just because she's female, though.  i think that's the point.

shepard is shepard, no matter the gender - the personality doesn't need to change in order to fit some type of gender "ideal".

huh. i said exactly that and i got flamed.

maybe ur post was "full of testosterone":?

:lol::lol::lol:

[clennon8]

I think there's a compromise to be had between having FemShep "fulfill gender roles" and having her act and move exactly like the man-shep at all times.

[Fhaileas]

Pray tell exactly what sort of "gender roles" is FemShep supposed to fulfill? Gender essentialism is bullcrap! The vast majority of people have a mix of both "feminine" and "masculine" traits and interests, to varying degrees. In other words, there is just as much variation between individual women or individual men as there is between women and men, and our differences come down to individuality rather than being tied to gender.

Modifié par Fhaileas, 13 septembre 2010 - 10:06 .

[krimesh]

Fhaileas wrote...

Pray tell exactly what sort of "gender roles" is FemShep supposed to fulfill? Gender essentialism is bullcrap! The vast majority of people have a mix of both "feminine" and "masculine" traits and interests, to varying degrees. In other words, there is just as much variation between individual women or individual men as there is between women and men, and our differences come down to individuality rather than being tied to gender.

While two men or two women can be quite different, males and females are as different as you can be without being two different species. Shepard however is an ideal, so I am not sure if Shepard should behave differently as a woman.

[Fhaileas]

You are unfortunately conflating "gender" with "sex".

[krimesh]

Fhaileas wrote...

You are unfortunately conflating "gender" with "sex".

Well, maybe I am because I am not sure that I know what you mean. However, the male and female brains are wired differently. The endocrine system works differently. Men and women think differently. These are facts. How strongly this should be mirrored in ME is a different question though.

Modifié par krimesh, 13 septembre 2010 - 10:36 .

[clennon8]

Fhaileas wrote...

You are unfortunately conflating "gender" with "sex".

You're not the first person I've heard say this, and I call BS.  The secondary definition of "gender" is "sex."  The first definition of gender relates to the grammatical usage of sex-specific pronouns (i.e. him vs. her).  Obviously, the secondary definition is what applies here, as this thread is not a debate about grammar (although there's a lot of questionable grammar in this thread).

[ErichHartmann]

Well, maybe I am because I am not sure that I know what you mean. However, the male and female brains are wired differently. The endocrine system works differently. Men and women think differently. These are facts. How strongly this should be mirrored in ME is a different question though.

The difference between male and female is a lot smaller than you think.  It's not a fact that they automatically think differently.  (Sex is biological, which doctors can change and Gender is socially constructed)   

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 13 septembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[krimesh]

Nah, I get the feeling that Fhaileas meant the differences I talked about. Specifically that I mixed up the purely physical things with behavior.

[krimesh]

ErichHartmann wrote...
The difference between male and female is a lot smaller than you think.  It's not a fact that they automatically think differently.  (Sex is biological, which doctors can change and Gender is socially constructed)

Or maybe it is far greater than you think

[Lord_Tirian]

krimesh wrote...

However, the male and female brains are wired differently. The endocrine system works differently. Men and women think differently. These are facts.

Inconclusive. It's actually something that is still debated. You might find "Brain Storm: The flaws in the science of sex differences" by Rebecca M. Jordan-Young (Harvard University Press) interesting (be warned, it's ~400 pages thick, so you might want to set aside a day or so to read it). It's nicely written, too.

[clennon8]

I fall more in the "men and women really aren't so different" camp. When comparing the two sexes in terms of how they think, you can only make verrrry broad generalities. i.e. Men tend to focus on one thing at a time, while women tend to be better multi-taskers. Men tend to be better at spatial recognition, while women tend to be better at, well, pretty much everything else. Thing is, there's so much range between members of each sex, that you're probably going to get yourself in trouble if you make assumptions about someone based on their sex.