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[Lovestories]

I enjoy playing as both, although if I play as femshep first and go back to MaleShep his voice irritates me initially. In ME1 I played more with males, (I only completed the game once with Femshep) now I'm playing ME2 though its the over way around

[theelementslayer]

Jebel Krong wrote...

you can try picking semantics in choices of words/phrases all you want, if it makes you feel better - the facts and statistics are clear. a forum poll is never going to be representative or unbiased as the general market by very definition.

Its not picking semantics, and I know that, the forum poll is off by about 10-15%. But it isnt off by 60%. The only difference between us and "regualr" fans is that we just really like the game and want to talk about it. Its the wording

80% of players played a male shepard. Thats what it said. Its like saying 80% of people have a xbox. Does that mean they can't have a PS3 or gaming PC as well, no. Its a very one sided line, and well, what you want to believe is your choice but ya cant see how you cant understand it.

Modifié par theelementslayer, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[JockBuster]

Miths wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
From the video clips I've seen I just can't stand her voice for some unknown reason. Anybody else feel the same?

Blasphemy! :happy:
Jennifer Hale has an amazing voice. Pleasant, strong and sexy. In fact Hale is pretty much the sole reason why FemShep is the only Shepard I can play.

And precisely the reason that I have MAJOR problems with her VA. She is (supposed to be) a battled hardened, no BS MARINE. JH's voice has NO Command Presence, carries NO weight and NO Military bearing. A better choice would have been Marjorie Main (go google her). Yes, I do play a FemShep but ONLY to be able to Renegade and Romance <3 Kaidan:wub:, otherwise drek:sick:. 

[javierabegazo]

"The moment that FemShep prepares to take on the threat to the universe, she inevitably will give an impassioned speech as to why they must do what they are preparing to do. This is true for both games in Mass Effect and many other franchises. The oddity is that it’s an empowered female doing the speaking.

If we wanted to see yet another righteous man bolstering his troops, we’d watch Braveheart, play Halo or just roll up a ManShep. Watching FemShep, and hearing Jennifer Hale, doing this bolstering is almost unsettling. It shifts our expectations and moves us to the edge of our seats. And we love her for it."


^
This is precisely why I love my femshep so much. The only time I played as a male shep was because I found out I could mod my appearance on the xbox and made this shep

[Jebel Krong]

theelementslayer wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

you can try picking semantics in choices of words/phrases all you want, if it makes you feel better - the facts and statistics are clear. a forum poll is never going to be representative or unbiased as the general market by very definition.

Its not picking semantics, and I know that, the forum poll is off by about 10-15%. But it isnt off by 60%. The only difference between us and "regualr" fans is that we just really like the game and want to talk about it. Its the wording

80% of players played a male shepard. Thats what it said. Its like saying 80% of people have a xbox. Does that mean they can have a PS3 or gaming PC as well, no. Its a very one sided line, and well, what you want to believe is your choice but ya cant see how you cant understand it.

your comparison is invalid because that's not the data Bioware would be collecting - taking your case - they wouldn't be able to measure ps3 numbers because the game's not on that system. what they will be tracking are total numbers of shepards, choices, obviously skipped lines etc. so when they say 80% played male shepards they are obviously talking total numbers from everyone, and the breakdowns of people with multiples are included in that). hell if they can tell what percentage of conversations have been skipped overall, then they are obviously collecting quite a bit of data. you have to consider what data is being sought when you make your statements is all i'm saying, but if you want to believe your interpretation, that's entirely up to you.

[Fiery Phoenix]

This is an absolutely beautiful article. My favorite line is:



"It isn’t a stretch to say that BioWare has managed to, seemingly unintentionally, create a female protagonist that has attracted the attentions of hundreds if not thousands of people."



As well as:



"The moment that FemShep prepares to take on the threat to the universe, she inevitably will give an impassioned speech as to why they must do what they are preparing to do. This is true for both games in Mass Effect and many other franchises. The oddity is that it’s an empowered female doing the speaking.



If we wanted to see yet another righteous man bolstering his troops, we’d watch Braveheart, play Halo or just roll up a ManShep. Watching FemShep, and hearing Jennifer Hale, doing this bolstering is almost unsettling. It shifts our expectations and moves us to the edge of our seats. And we love her for it."



Ain't that the truth?

[theelementslayer]

Jebel Krong wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

you can try picking semantics in choices of words/phrases all you want, if it makes you feel better - the facts and statistics are clear. a forum poll is never going to be representative or unbiased as the general market by very definition.

Its not picking semantics, and I know that, the forum poll is off by about 10-15%. But it isnt off by 60%. The only difference between us and "regualr" fans is that we just really like the game and want to talk about it. Its the wording

80% of players played a male shepard. Thats what it said. Its like saying 80% of people have a xbox. Does that mean they can have a PS3 or gaming PC as well, no. Its a very one sided line, and well, what you want to believe is your choice but ya cant see how you cant understand it.

your comparison is invalid because that's not the data Bioware would be collecting - taking your case - they wouldn't be able to measure ps3 numbers because the game's not on that system. what they will be tracking are total numbers of shepards, choices, obviously skipped lines etc. so when they say 80% played male shepards they are obviously talking total numbers from everyone, and the breakdowns of people with multiples are included in that). hell if they can tell what percentage of conversations have been skipped overall, then they are obviously collecting quite a bit of data. you have to consider what data is being sought when you make your statements is all i'm saying, but if you want to believe your interpretation, that's entirely up to you.

Horrible paragraph structure aside, no my comparison isnt invalid because it had nothing to do with the data that Bioware was collecting. Its an example. And yes they are tracking total numbers but that isnt where that number is coming from.

80% of players played as male shep.That counts me and many female shepard players.  It did not say 80% of characters created and or played were male. If it were refering to the amount of characters created it would say. 80% of characters created, or 80% of all playthrough characters were male.

Modifié par theelementslayer, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:05 .

[1490]

javierabegazo wrote...

"The moment that FemShep prepares to take on the threat to the universe, she inevitably will give an impassioned speech as to why they must do what they are preparing to do. This is true for both games in Mass Effect and many other franchises. The oddity is that it’s an empowered female doing the speaking.

If we wanted to see yet another righteous man bolstering his troops, we’d watch Braveheart, play Halo or just roll up a ManShep. Watching FemShep, and hearing Jennifer Hale, doing this bolstering is almost unsettling. It shifts our expectations and moves us to the edge of our seats. And we love her for it."


^
This is precisely why I love my femshep so much. The only time I played as a male shep was because I found out I could mod my appearance on the xbox and made this shep

How???  Sorry to go off the subject of the thread here, but I don't remember seeing Drow skin and hair options in the character creation menu.  How'd you do it?

[Kronner]

So what's up with the latest trend when it is cool to play femShep and maleShep is boring as hell? I much prefer maleShep, especially because of voice acting, I simply find Meer far superior to Hale. That said I also play femShep sometimes just to have different experience.

Do you guys really belive that at least 30% players tried femShep at least once? I seriously doubt that. And who cares really, BW gives us both options anyways.

[javierabegazo]

theelementslayer

Please remember to communicate ideas in a respectful matter. If it gets too frustrating, step into another thread, or take a breath and think of a better way to explain.



And I agree with your side of the argument. It seems like BioWare just through out those few numbers to the press and neglected to release the full report, which would have been much more enlightening.

[theelementslayer]

javierabegazo wrote...

theelementslayer
Please remember to communicate ideas in a respectful matter. If it gets too frustrating, step into another thread, or take a breath and think of a better way to explain.

And I agree with your side of the argument. It seems like BioWare just through out those few numbers to the press and neglected to release the full report, which would have been much more enlightening.

Apologies, tried to edit out the non-respectful parts.

[javierabegazo]

1490 wrote...

How???  Sorry to go off the subject of the thread here, but I don't remember seeing Drow skin and hair options in the character creation menu.  How'd you do it?

Hehe, I was specifically aiming for the Drow look
I just tweaked the pigmentation colors.  With Gibbed Save Editor, you can change the Color tone of EVERYTHING when it comes to appearance. There's one vector parameter for skin color, I changed that. Then there's one for Hair and Facial Hair, and then Iris', and I changed that too. Do you like it?

With Gibbed, after customizing an appearance, you can export what's called a "headmorph" file, it is a miniscule file, but it's amazing because it contains all the physical appearance data of that shepard. I can basically plug in and out between different Shepards I've created by simply importing a headmorph file that I've exported and named.

See the XBOX How to Mod thread for more info, and if you need any help, just PM me. I have uploaded my two main Shepard head morphs for people if they want to use them, here


Public - Windows Live


Back on topic

Modifié par javierabegazo, 10 septembre 2010 - 10:08 .

[1490]

javierabegazo wrote...

Hehe, I was specifically aiming for the Drow look
I just tweaked the pigmentation colors.  With Gibbed Save Editor, you can change the Color tone of EVERYTHING when it comes to appearance. There's one vector parameter for skin color, I changed that. Then there's one for Hair and Facial Hair, and then Iris', and I changed that too. Do you like it?

With Gibbed, after customizing an appearance, you can export what's called a "headmorph" file, it is a miniscule file, but it's amazing because it contains all the physical appearance data of that shepard. I can basically plug in and out between different Shepards I've created by simply importing a headmorph file that I've exported and named.

See the XBOX How to Mod thread for more info, and if you need any help, just PM me. I have uploaded my two main Shepard head morphs for people if they want to use them, here


Public - Windows Live


Back on topic

Thanks, I'll check it out!

I don't find either VA's performance to be superior to another.  I've mentioned this a number of times in other threads: it's the same script, but different actors.  Each actor has his/her own way of playing a character: when they read the script, they couldn't see the completed game, all they have is their imagination to guide them.  Meer imagined the character in one way while Hale did in another way.  I think that both of them are great performances in their own way, and I'm glad they're very different because that makes playing the game over with the other gender a brand new experience.  

[Eradyn]

I'm an individual who, when given the option, will most likely play the female equivalent protagonist. Of course, I have no problem playing a male character...being that I am in the "minority" as a female, I'm used to most games having male protagonists. FemShep was a breath of fresh air. She's a woman who isn't a sex-object or an embarrassing, fragile girl-in-woman's-body. JH's voice acting is also pretty damned good.



Also, it needs to be shouted to the roof-tops: "80% of players played as a male Shepard" is not exclusionary to femSheps. I say this knowing that it's very likely that male Shepards will always outnumber femSheps, so don't think I'm feeling "threatened" that femShep might be "losing."



What we really need is for BW to release the percentage of players who played as a femShep to get a proper perspective. All we can conclude without question, from the released stat, is that 20% played femShep exclusively. We don't have the stats for players who played a male Shepard exclusively. This stat doesn't track exclusivity, it only tracks how many made a male Shepard. I play femShep mostly, but I did make a male Shepard (in an attempt to try and create an attractive custom male Shepard XD). That will count towards that 80% statistic.

[Comrade Bork]

theelementslayer wrote...

Comrade Bork wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Well not to start a flame war but in the first game Hale VA is much better, and a touch better then Meer in ME2, though this is due to meer getting much better and Hale only improving a little bit.

Plain and simple that is just opinion. I feel that it is the opposite (excluding Jacob/Femshep dialog...ewww)

Apologies, yes I should have stated it is an opinion. But feel opposite in which way?

I feel that Meer was really godd in ME1, and only improved a little bit in ME2. I felt Hale was OK in ME1, and improved for ME2. However, I still like Meer's performance better. I did feel that the Jacob romance was horrible VA-wise though.

[Raanz]

Why does everything have to be a f****** contest....seriously. If you like Fem, play a fem, if you like the male Shep, play him.

Some people act like they have some sort of divine enlightenment if they play a femShep and bash not only the male one, but Meer on top of it. I have news for you, Hale can be just as bad as Meer, but both are pretty good.

[Gibb_Shepard]

 I really can't bring myself to play as femshep, i just can't play the opposite gender. And i think this article is just a little bit innacurate, seeing as 80% of players play as mansehp.

[Comrade Bork]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

 I really can't bring myself to play as femshep, i just can't play the opposite gender. And i think this article is just a little bit innacurate, seeing as 80% of players play as mansehp.

As many have stated, that statistic needs clarification, or anthoer statistic released alongside it for reference.

[Melancholic]

FemShep all the way.  I've loved Jennifer Hale's voice work since KotOR, and for some reason a woman kicking ass is much cooler to me than a guy. 

[Whatever42]

I doubt putting femshep as the default would change those numbers very much. People aren't that lazy. I do wonder, though, how using femshep in the marketing would change things.



But if 20% of players play femshep, including many guys, does that mean ME has almost no female players, or do very significant numbers of them play maleshep. The comments on the article touched on that: guys may love playing femshep (she's aggressive and acts like a guy and can sleep with girls) but at least some women find her very unsatisfying. If she was much more feminine, though, would so many guys still like her?

[Ginen]

It is an interesting article, Gamasutra often times posts many commentaries on game design in general; however if you manage to scan the entire article, there is a link to another article where it shows an illustration of Kratos in God of War as a woman, and Samus Aran as a man. It makes you think how different a game can be by just switching genders, and what we can expect from it.

[NICKjnp]

I think that Bioware announced who people preffered to play as. They have collected gameplay data that says that Male Shepard is picked 80% of the time. I don't dislike Female Shepard.... but needing to write articles about it is kind of sad. With people choosing to play Male Shepard 80% of the time it makes sense that Male Shepard is the character that they market. Submitting stories to Gamasutra won't change that. If IGN or another gaming site wrote something... then ok. Posting articles from sites like Gamasutra don't have any backing to them.



So go Female Shepard and go Male Shepard. Both are great. 80% of people prefer Male Shepard so that is who Bioware is going to market.



Rant over... dissapearing before I'm attacked.

[havoc373]

good article. my canon shep is femshep so

[OneDrunkMonk]

I will say, and maybe it's in the directing or script, that both male and female Shepards can sound kinda flat and robotic at times. Like the whole "romancing" of Liara in ME1 which with all the dialog options just sounded robotic.



"You want go boom-boom now? No? OK, me come back another time."



On another note it must have been difficult for the voice actors to get into character when the character was actually two: Kind Considerate Shepard and Obnoxious Jerk Shepard. Too there must have been moments, like the rather disturbing "romancing" of Samara or Tali where the voice actors had to read lines that didn't feel right for the character.

[UrNoseKnows]

Love Hale's voice - But why the heck is her voice acting so much different when interacting with Jacob? They made her voice so much more huskier imo. Odd when you are just asking how he's doing and she sounds like she's always checking him out.



I play 50-50. I make my Fem Shep go more soldier and vanguard route. She makes my adept Male Shep cry