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[Revan312]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

I'm fairly certain that Bioware stated, right out, that Male Shepard is straight in one of their articles (though for the life of me, I can't find it).   M/M content is actually present in Mass Effect 1, but was cut at some point in production.  Does this mean Bioware is homophobic?  I doubt it.  Does it mean that it didn't fit their vision of the character?  Much more likely.

I know it was there, so why cut it?  That took dev time and imo didn't "hinder" anyone's image of who Shepard is.  If it would have been included nobody would have cared and even more M/M fans would have felt at least a little catered to. So to me, that spells, "Eww, that scene was icky, cut that out of ME".

The marketing material is all about it being "your" story and for F/F promoters it's at least an option with one squadmate. M/M promoters got nothing. 

And if anyone brings up the "Liara isn't a chick" argument one more time I'm gonna pull my hair out..  If you were a female and looked at an Asari do you really think that you would be fine having a relationship with one if you were straight?  No, your gonna have to have tendencies in that direction.  Liara might not be a lesbian, but any femshep that romanced her certainly is.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I see this has gone all the way from FemShep to M/M romance nonsense...

[TheBoss1138]

Hale is both hot and an awesome voice actress, how can you not like her :3? Ya, I played femshep first and instantly loved her, Meer does ALRIGHT, sometimes his lines come off kinda funny when I dont think theyre meant to lol, like I told my brother once "meer sounds like his nose is plugged when hes talking"

[Revan312]

Kronner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

 If Shepard is really our character then there should be M/M option, which there is not.

BW clearly said DA and ME are different. In ME you play as pre-defined character. There is no good reason for M/M romance. It is such a minor and unimportant thing that it is not worth the resources BW would have to put into it. BW are called homophobic etc. but this is clearly business decision. How many players would go for it? 5%? If that.

That's a pretty ****** poor argument..  Why did they put an aquarium in the normandy?  Why did they have read codex entries? Why were there obscure side missions.  Why was there multiple classes and two genders? etc etc Those took resources and work (btw way more than an M/M romance since that's mostly just gender flag checks, they might need to change some she's to he's in the dialogue, but that's about it..) so why did they implement those?  You can use that argument against anything and everything..

Plus your 5%?  I played Zev's romance in DA as a male character, I know of a lot of people that did during one of their playthroughs.  Unless your implying that ME's audience is mostly made up of immature teens that hate optional content that isn't in line with their personal lifestyle choice, that's a figure that has absolutely no basis in reality..

[kraidy1117]

Kronner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

 If Shepard is really our character then there should be M/M option, which there is not.

BW clearly said DA and ME are different. In ME you play as pre-defined character. There is no good reason for M/M romance. It is such a minor and unimportant thing that it is not worth the resources BW would have to put into it. BW are called homophobic etc. but this is clearly business decision. How many players would go for it? 5%? If that.

False. Chud said many times during the dev of ME2 that Shepard is OUR character! In ME Kai was going to be bi. Your arguemnt is invalid. If there was no M/M dialog in ME, I would agree with this, alas there was and you can access it.

[vp1940]

I'm certainly not meaning to make broad generalizations (or generalizations about broads, hoooo!), I'm simply speaking from my experience. I know about 6 people irl who play mass effect, 4 play female shepard, and all 4 readily admit it started out because of the sex scene.



I also agree that claiming Asari do not constitute the pure female gender is complete and utter bs. Bioware admitted more than once that Asari were created to fill the sci-fi geek sexual longing for the "hot alien chick", stress the word "chick". I doubt if Bioware stated all Asari have both a penis and vagina, they'd be quite so endearing to the fans. I pose the simple question: If FemShep ONLY had Male romance options, would she even be half as played as she is? I know what my prediction is, I'm curious to see others.



As far as MaleShep's sexuality goes, Bioware can't have it both ways. Shepard is either a nebulous construct defined by the players, or MaleShep is canon and has rules of character. If Bioware stated male shep is straight, it would seem to go against what they were trying to accomplish with player choice. If a lesbian can save the Galaxy, why not a gay man?

[Gundar3]

This is all wonderfully off topic...



To get it more on topic: I see nothing wrong with playing both or either exclusively. I normally play the game first as close to myself as possible (make myself -male shep). I normally play male Shep as paragon/ good guy/ white knight; while I play femshep as a Renegade femm-fatale. Those are just classic archetypes that I enjoy.

[Raanz]

I really doubt that the devs are homophobic. I wonder if it's just because they came up with a game idea based on a story and decided that their hero/main character/whatever you want to call him/her would not be homosexual. That's an interesting concept isn't it. Guess what, just because you write a story about heterosexuals or decide to play a GAME that features a heterosexual lead, doesn't mean you are a homophobe.

Has all common sense and sanity been lost in these forums or what?

[greed89]

ReconTeam wrote...

Yet didn't Bioware's statistics show FemShep is significantly less popular than this article would lead us to believe?

i Lol'd

the fem shep fan base reminds me of a Indy bands fanbase rebelling against mainstream

[greed89]

mashavasilec wrote...

greed89 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Yet didn't Bioware's statistics show FemShep is significantly less popular than this article would lead us to believe?

i Lol'd

the fem shep fan base reminds me of a Indy bands fanbase rebelling against mainstream

god, deal with your testosterone outbursts, guys, nobody's questioning your manly balls here

testosterone outburst?

i made a comment:huh:

[Kronner]

Revan312 wrote...

That's a pretty ****** poor argument..  Why did they put an aquarium in the normandy?  Why did they have read codex entries? Why were there obscure side missions.  Why was there multiple classes and two genders? etc etc Those took resources and work (btw way more than an M/M romance since that's mostly just gender flag checks, they might need to change some she's to he's in the dialogue, but that's about it..) so why did they implement those?  You can use that argument against anything and everything..

Plus your 5%?  I played Zev's romance in DA as a male character, I know of a lot of people that did during one of their playthroughs.  Unless your implying that ME's audience is mostly made up of immature teens that hate optional content that isn't in line with their personal lifestyle choice, that's a figure that has absolutely no basis in reality..

M/M is just flag check? How about extra dialogue just for that?  BW did not bother with adding party banter but they will add M/M dialogue? Yeah, sure. The game will always be limited in some way. Adding M/M romance adds nothing for majority of the players. Business decision.

You are comparing fantasy with sci-fi. Apples and oranges.
This forum consits of devoted fans. Averge ME player plays maleShep Soldier. I think 5% is being generous.

kraidy1117 wrote...

False. Chud said many times during
the dev of ME2 that Shepard is OUR character! In ME Kai was going to be
bi. Your arguemnt is invalid. If there was no M/M dialog in ME, I would
agree with this, alas there was and you can access it.

Ray Muzyka explained the difference in an interview, I am sure you can find it if you want. Kaidan was going to be bi, ok, but he is not, because he would have to be bi for the rest of the series. That would cost more money. Simple as that.

Modifié par Kronner, 11 septembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[greed89]

mashavasilec wrote...

greed89 wrote...

testosterone outburst?

i made a comment:huh:

i noticed

apperantly you didnt

[greed89]

mashavasilec wrote...

greed89 wrote...
apperantly you didnt

trying to bore me to death with semantics?
heavy risk

of what exactly?

u makeing more Wild Asserstions?

[javierabegazo]

Alright mashavasilec and greed89

Kill the juvenile back and forth. If someone doesn't agree with your Point of view, sometimes, it's ok just to walk away from the argument.

[MugenJustice]

Allllrighty then going back on track...





FemShep doesn't get the appreciation some of us feel she deserves. Fine. As long as this lack of recognition doesn't affect (and I'm pretty sure it won't) the content for FemShep in ME3, I couldn't care less about vague stats and whatever insecurities some players may have about playing a female protagonist.

[javierabegazo]

kraidy1117 wrote...

False. Chud said many times during the dev of ME2 that Shepard is OUR character! In ME Kai was going to be bi. Your arguemnt is invalid. If there was no M/M dialog in ME, I would agree with this, alas there was and you can access it.

This thread is NOT about M/M Options, it's about the Stats regarding Male and Female Shepards. Keep on topic guys

[The Elite Elite]

vp1940 wrote...
You misunderstand me I think. I'm not saying that you DO it for the lesbian angle, I'm saying you DID it for the lesbian angle. We all know this is why the original Mass Effect grabbed headlines. If you play Mass Effect, and you're a straight male, and you played FemShep, you chose Liara. Maybe it was subconscious, maybe not, but we ALL know why.

Really? That's why I did that? That's funny because I didn't do a Liara romance with my FemShep the first go around because I didn't much care for her romance. In fact, most of my playthroughs I don't do any romances. In ME1 the only romance I like is Ash's, but because I don't care for Meer's VA I just do without.

Consider, a straight male playing MaleShep will almost always chose Ashley over Kaidan at Virmire. Even if they romance Liara, they subconsciously want more female company.

Now, a straight male playing FemShep will almost always be too homophobic to romance Kaidan, and he'll die at Virmire to save Ashley again, for the double female presence on the ship.

Well, I save Ash most of the time (No matter if I played as male or female) because I prefer her character over Kaidan. Not because I want more female company. And how is it homophobia if a straight male playing a FemShep doesn't want to romance Kaidan? I'd say most straight guys feel wierd romancing another guy. I myself have romanced Kaidan as FemShep, but again, like Liara's romance, I didn't care for it. (Though the continuation of her romance in the new LOTSB DLC is much better IMO and makes her romance more likable for me)

Thats just the way it is, if may have changed over multiple playthroughs for a final run (doubtful), but a straight male FemShep first run looks exactly as I just described. I know a few males irl who play female chars given the option in every game they play. I'm familiar with the "culture", but there is no higher thinking or openminded approach to why they do it. Its gutteral sexual pantomiming, and thats all it will ever be. To suggest that FemShep exists for any reason OTHER than to fulfill this MALE fantasy, is to completely ignore the fact that there is no m/m relationship options in the game. So Bioware is most definitely not catering to all walks of life. FemShep to me, and I stress "to me", is and always will be tainted because of it.

Yes, the handful of males that you know like that IRL are really reflective of all male gamers that play female characters.

[Beerfish]

I actually tend to play a good/paragon male character in my 1st play through of BioWare games and the nasty or renegade female in my 2nd playthrough for some reason.

[greed89]

Beerfish wrote...

I actually tend to play a good/paragon male character in my 1st play through of BioWare games and the nasty or renegade female in my 2nd playthrough for some reason.

Same with me

Hale's voice works best as renagade

[Tazzmission]

i rarley play with a femaleshep but i did do a run with one in me2 and honestly the femaleshep gets more of the funny diolauge than the male shepard when it comes to love interests

[kraidy1117]

Tazzmission wrote...

i rarley play with a femaleshep but i did do a run with one in me2 and honestly the femaleshep gets more of the funny diolauge than the male shepard when it comes to love interests

And Malesheps are better?

Your options are the Shepard fangirl, the woman who gets fixed by the magical penis or Miri. In fact ME2 only has two good lI, that's Thane and Miri, the other ones are jokes.