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[Revan312]

Tazzmission wrote...

i rarley play with a femaleshep but i did do a run with one in me2 and honestly the femaleshep gets more of the funny diolauge than the male shepard when it comes to love interests

Probably because she got two creepy aliens to do it with or the "priiiizzzee"  You'd have to have a sense of humor to go down any one of those paths *shivers*  I mean, a psychotic Sinead O'Conner, Barbie or an Eastern European mutant aren't a whole lot better, but they are better...

[theelementslayer]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i rarley play with a femaleshep but i did do a run with one in me2 and honestly the femaleshep gets more of the funny diolauge than the male shepard when it comes to love interests

And Malesheps are better?

Your options are the Shepard fangirl, the woman who gets fixed by the magical penis or Miri. In fact ME2 only has two good lI, that's Thane and Miri, the other ones are jokes.

your missing a big one. Liara:wub:. But honestly I like Femshep better. Why? Because a girl kicking my ass is way cooler then a guy. Also a girl being a b"tch to try to save all living species is much cooler then a guy just being a dick.

And again, in my opinion, Hales VA is perfect. She has a commanding voice when need be, but when shes talking to her crew she has a bit of emotion. Plus I am a guy and she isnt bad eye candy.

Also in regards to the romance, no I dont romance Liara to have lesbian action, never really even occured to me, I do it because I like her charcter better. The reason I save ash is becasue I am a guy, and even roleplaying as a femshep I think that Kaiden wants ash to survive because he believes that he should die in place for her. Ash wants to prove something but doing it through a blaze of glory and death really shouldnt be how it is done.

[Fiery Phoenix]

greed89 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I actually tend to play a good/paragon male character in my 1st play through of BioWare games and the nasty or renegade female in my 2nd playthrough for some reason.

Same with me

Hale's voice works best as renagade

That makes three of us.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 11 septembre 2010 - 10:52 .

[Revan312]

mashavasilec wrote...

yes, the fight between Shep's LIs is an pretty new way to derail the thread

And your post derails it further..

Really, how much can be said about the popularity of femshep when all we have are vague statistics and simple opinions being stated..  Thread derailment is natural with a topic of this sort..

[jlb524]

Well, FemShep is very very popular in my house and that's all I can say. I do think, overall, her romance options are better (barring Jacob), but that's totally my opinion.

[javierabegazo]

Revan, enough of the picture spam thank you



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[greed89]

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Modifié par javierabegazo, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:23 .

[javierabegazo]

Greed89, one more offtopic post ranting about your favorite character will win you a temp ban.

[Revan312]

javierabegazo wrote...

Revan, enough of the picture spam thank you

-off topic posts removed-

But picture SPAM is the only type I like   It tastes better than Original SPAM or even SPAM with cheese...

Oh well, regardless, unless Bioware releases the actual full spread of statistics the debate is up in the air.  I enjoy femshep and play her almost exclusively and I have a hard time believing that the "80%" figure is anything but the number of accounts with male sheps on them, but I won't know until Bioware discloses all of the stats *shrug*

Modifié par Revan312, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Saremei]

theelementslayer wrote...
Horrible paragraph structure aside, no my comparison isnt invalid because it had nothing to do with the data that Bioware was collecting. Its an example. And yes they are tracking total numbers but that isnt where that number is coming from.

80% of players played as male shep.That counts me and many female shepard players.  It did not say 80% of characters created and or played were male. If it were refering to the amount of characters created it would say. 80% of characters created, or 80% of all playthrough characters were male.

You make the very common mistake people make when dealing with written/typed information, reading too much into the wording.  The way you interpret the data leads to an utterly worthless statistic.  So what if 80% of players have played maleshep at least once. That tells you essentially nothing  since it completely avoids reporting on the % of players who have played femshep at least once. What makes more sense is that it is total shepards created, not individual players.  That leaves no data unreported as it would leave the % of femsheps at 20% which is a realistic number considering a fair few players do nothing but accept default for their single playthrough. 

Regardless of what this or any other forum related to mass effect will have you believe, most players are not at all active on the internet regarding this game.  Their opinions about the game without doubt differ from the conclusions of the vocal minorities of the forum communities.

[Revan312]

Saremei wrote...

You make the very common mistake people make when dealing with written/typed information, reading too much into the wording.  The way you interpret the data leads to an utterly worthless statistic.  So what if 80% of players have played maleshep at least once. That tells you essentially nothing  since it completely avoids reporting on the % of players who have played femshep at least once. What makes more sense is that it is total shepards created, not individual players.  That leaves no data unreported as it would leave the % of femsheps at 20% which is a realistic number considering a fair few players do nothing but accept default for their single playthrough. 

Regardless of what this or any other forum related to mass effect will have you believe, most players are not at all active on the internet regarding this game.  Their opinions about the game without doubt differ from the conclusions of the vocal minorities of the forum communities.

Even if that is true, we don't fully know and either do you, that's why I wish Bio would just release all the stats for not only the femshep/maleshep numbers but for everything.. avg number of playthroughs, percentage of who romanced who etc etc.. it would be interesting to see..

[javierabegazo]

Revan312 wrote...



Oh well, regardless, unless Bioware releases the actual full spread of statistics the debate is up in the air.  I enjoy femshep and play her almost exclusively and I have a hard time believing that the "80%" figure is anything but the number of accounts with male sheps on them, but I won't know until Bioware discloses all of the stats *shrug*

I fully agree with you as well.

I also play Femshep exclusively, I've played a fair share of sci fi
games with the run of the mill jughead Space marine but I'm getting off
topic This thread is about the statistics.

I don't know why they didn't just release all the info from the collected data. The only thing I learned from the release data is that there are a few PC players who REALLY love ME2.
 

[Synobal]

You have to be damn careful with statistics, they can be used to support just about anyones lies.

[Siegdrifa]

ReconTeam wrote...

Yet didn't Bioware's statistics show FemShep is significantly less popular than this article would lead us to believe?

This is exatcy why statistics can be misinterpreted.

If you hallow me, i will use this sentence to explain :
statistic says 80% of player use a ManSep, so it's not "popular" in therm of quality but quantity.

From only this statistics we could try to determine another like how many% of ManShep are satisfied with there character and how many % of FemShep are satisfied with character.

Yet how many % of this 80% is just the result of a "yes" "yes" "yes" "yes" validation because some player didn't care the character or anything, they just wanted to start a party and since theye didn't know the game, they just take the "standard" option.

It would be a big mistake to think that the 80% choose it for the same reason.
I'm sure we would get:
-because i'm a man lol
-because i just wanted to play the game
-because all the character i try to creat are ugly
-because he looks like a realy military bad ass guy so it match my vision of the protagonist.
-huh? we could choose a different character?
etc.

[InvaderErl]

Siegdrifa wrote...

statistic says 80% of player use a ManSep, so it's not "popular" in therm of quality but quantity.

And what exactly is quality in your example supposed to represent? A figure that would favor FemShep? That sounds rather subjective doesn't it.

Siegdrifa wrote...
From only this statistics we could try to determine another like how many% of ManShep are satisfied with there character and how many % of FemShep are satisfied with character.

Yet how many % of this 80% is just the result of a "yes" "yes" "yes" "yes" validation because some player didn't care the character or anything, they just wanted to start a party and since theye didn't know the game, they just take the "standard" option.

It would be a big mistake to think that the 80% choose it for the same reason.
I'm sure we would get:
-because i'm a man lol
-because i just wanted to play the game
-because all the character i try to creat are ugly
-because he looks like a realy military bad ass guy so it match my vision of the protagonist.
-huh? we could choose a different character?
etc.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here that don't seem to be particularly supported by anything.


I will say this. We can probably assume the FemShep player base statistic is not likely exceptional otherwise Bioware would have listed it. They did list a 80% figure for MaleShep and while we can only speculate what the heck that means since its fairly vague - if you want to really try and argue the majority of Sheps are FemSheps I think the fact that any such statistic is actually not listed is significant since Bioware seemed to be listing some figures they found were interesting or particularly high.

Now that doesn't invalidate FemShep which is where I think some people have taken this argument (on both sides) but I think its important when you're actually trying to get a sense of how exactly the "mass audience" is playing ME to remember that our nerd circles are not reflective of the larger numbers.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 12 septembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[Siegdrifa]

InvaderErl wrote...


You're making an awful lot of assumptions here that don't seem to be particularly supported by anything.

When i say this 80% reach 80% because of many reason, i'm not making assumption.

If you want to really understand a given statistic, you must know many other statistics to understand this 80%.


I can give you an exemple, years ago i worked in video game industry and our newest game for playstation was adapted to the brand new dream cast.
The lead artiste of the project was opposed to use the smoothing for the texture because he hated it, it "destroyed" all the visual effect. But the dream cast was a new generation where picxelated and small texture had to be ended.
So they invited more than 40 player and let them play the 2 versions to know what they think.
The result was nearly everybody was not shocked to play a dream cast game with pixelated texture... so they made an amazing statistic with i don't remember 95% was ok for pixel.
The poor truth is, nearly NOBODY had a dream cast (it was brand new and expensive), and in the end, 100% of dream cast owner didn't wanted pixelated texture since it's was one of their biggest motive to get one.
For the story in the end they just put to option in the graphic menu to desactivate the smooting ..... god damn! this is where they should have started !!!


Statistic can be misinterpreted by everybody in society (are usualy when it serve a purpuse).

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:51 .

[InvaderErl]

It sounds like in your example a rather small sample size (40) was used in order to make a sweeping judgment. Anyone that knows anything about statistics knows the smaller the sample size the more incomplete the picture given. For example the FemShep poll that AngryFrozen has in her sig I believe would follow along these lines.

Bioware's sample size is obviously a great deal larger than anything we can even come close to here - that being Xbox Live users and PC users with online connection - a larger sample size gives a much more accurate picture than an smaller one.

I recall back in the ol' KoTOR days when Revan was "canonized" as being male there was a poster who pointed to a poll on a rather large KoTOR fansite that showed more people played as FemRevan, later there was an even larger poll on StarWarsKnights that had more than double the posters saying they preferred MaleRevan. The point of this is that I know a lot of posters feel confused when there is seemingly a larger or at least 50/50 FemShep following suggested in AngryFrozen's poll and on places like fanfiction.com or deviantart but numbers and feedback from sources like that is completely unreliable - that is based around a limited but devoted audience.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 12 septembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Siegdrifa]

InvaderErl wrote...

It sounds like in your example a rather small sample size (40) was used in order to make a sweeping judgment. Anyone that knows anything about statistics knows the smaller the sample size the more incomplete the picture given. For example the FemShep poll that AngryFrozen has in her sig I believe would follow along these lines.

Bioware's sample size is obviously a great deal larger - that being Xbox Live users and PC users with online connection - a larger sample size gives a much more accurate picture than an older one.

Yes it's a small sampls, but you can get statistics even from small sample.
The bigger the better, it's a fact, it's a lot more sharp.

But my exemple here just show that how with the same statistics, you get a 95% don't care, but a 100% don't want.


I don't care if 80% of the character a male.
But this 80% don't share the ONLY EXACT SAME REASON to choose a male character.

So this 80% is just a result without explanation.
How to understand this 80% if you don't know the explanation? so we know that 80% are male but we don't know why, unless they realese more info, this 80% can't go farther as an interpretation.

[Revan312]

InvaderErl wrote...



It sounds like in your example a rather small sample size (40) was used in order to make a sweeping judgment. Anyone that knows anything about statistics knows the smaller the sample size the more incomplete the picture given. For example the FemShep poll that AngryFrozen has in her sig I believe would follow along these lines.



Bioware's sample size is obviously a great deal larger - that being Xbox Live users and PC users with online connection - a larger sample size gives a much more accurate picture than an older one.

For +/- 10% statistics, a 100 person sample size is sufficiant for just about all population sizes, even upwards into the millions.. You really don't need more than that for +/- 10%.



That said, Bioware's "80%" description doesn't mean anything really within the context of how it was phrased.. People misinterpret stats ALL the time including the statiticians so he could be using a completely bogus number for something that has nothing to do with actual gender choice within all plays..



A spread sheet of all the stats would halt this debate as then we could actually see and interprit the results accuratly..

[The Elite Elite]

Synobal wrote...

You have to be damn careful with statistics, they can be used to support just about anyones lies.

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics." - Mark Twain

[InvaderErl]

Revan312 wrote...

For +/- 10% statistics, a 100 person sample size is sufficiant for just about all population sizes, even upwards into the millions.. You really don't need more than that for +/- 10%.

There is also the question of WHERE and HOW you get your info, which is what I am saying when I say people shouldn't look at AngryFrozen's poll (or ANY forum poll) as being a reliable indicator of what is going on beyond the confines of this forum, hence my KoTOR example.

The Bioware sample will certainly be more accurate simply because of the diversity of players that they will be drawing data from as opposed to a forum-based poll.

Revan312 wrote...
That said, Bioware's "80%" description doesn't mean anything really within the context of how it was phrased.. People misinterpret stats ALL the time including the statiticians so he could be using a completely bogus number for something that has nothing to do with actual gender choice within all plays..

A spread sheet of all the stats would halt this debate as then we could actually see and interprit the results accuratly..

We can logically assume that more people have at least made a MaleShep than a FemShep since that is the figure they chose to list ( I imagine if the FemShep number was equal or higher they would have jumped at the chance to list it in order to add a feather to their cap for offering the choice) but anything further than that is certainly speculation.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 12 septembre 2010 - 02:31 .

[Quething]

InvaderErl wrote...

There is also the question of WHERE and HOW you get your info, which is what I am saying when I say people shouldn't look at AngryFrozen's poll (or ANY forum poll) as being a reliable indicator of what is going on beyond the confines of this forum, hence my KoTOR example.

Except, AngryFrozenWater's poll actually lines up incredibly well with BioWare's info; 73% of respondents said they'd played a maleShep, compared to BioWare's (clearly rounded) number of 80%. Looks to me like the gameplay demographics of forum users map quite accurately to the gameplay demographics of internet-connected gamers who agreed to share data.

Modifié par Quething, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[Jebel Krong]

Quething wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

There is also the question of WHERE and HOW you get your info, which is what I am saying when I say people shouldn't look at AngryFrozen's poll (or ANY forum poll) as being a reliable indicator of what is going on beyond the confines of this forum, hence my KoTOR example.

Except, AngryFrozenWater's poll actually lines up incredibly well with BioWare's info; 73% of respondents said they'd played a maleShep, compared to BioWare's (clearly rounded) number of 80%. Looks to me like the gameplay demographics of forum users map quite accurately to the gameplay demographics of internet-connected gamers who agreed to share data.

I'm so glad you know exactly how bioware is managing their data... i'm pretty sure myself they have people dedicated to analysing such and a big enough catchment size to make accurate summations, unlike anyone here, so if they say 80% of shepards are male i'm inclined to believe them and to believe they've accounted for multiples, people with both etc etc before presenting such figures. It might be rounded to a percentage for press quoting purposes but it's not going to be misleading. The only people with issues about the stats are those with their noses bent out of shape because they don't support their personal or 'forum poll' views.

[Revan312]

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'm so glad you know exactly how bioware is managing their data... i'm pretty sure myself they have people dedicated to analysing such and a big enough catchment size to make accurate summations, unlike anyone here, so if they say 80% of shepards are male i'm inclined to believe them and to believe they've accounted for multiples, people with both etc etc before presenting such figures. It might be rounded to a percentage for press quoting purposes but it's not going to be misleading. The only people with issues about the stats are those with their noses bent out of shape because they don't support their personal or 'forum poll' views.

Obvious elitism is obvious..  Please enlighten us to your findings and interpritation of the data, oh wait, you can't because all we have is a single comment that could mean different things based on exactly what the data represents..

80% of all sheps were male? 80% of all accounts have a male shep? 80% of completed playthroughs were male? etc etc.. We don't know and I'll tell you now that I could care less if the data actually represents 80% of all sheps made with completed playthroughs, the third game will have a femshep and that's all I care about..  I'm just curious to see all the data rather than a comment which has large variations in potential assumption, as is most obvious from the debate in this thread.