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[Jebel Krong]

Actually given the sales figures i'm surprised it's not higher, given the Target audience demographics, if you assumed even 3 million sales combined 20% is a lot of femsheps given gamer population dynamics. The sheer number of casual players who evidently played male soldiers obviously heavily outweighs all other stats. The biggest surprise therefore is the 15% conversations skipped stat which says a lot about the awesome quality of the game's script, conversations and cinematic sequences.

[Vena_86]

grifter024 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

From the video clips I've seen I just can't stand her voice for some unknown reason. Anybody else feel the same?

I agree with you...her voice is annoying. IF femshep was an actual squatmate she would have died along time ago or never used just due to her annoying voice.

I also cant understand all the male gamers roleplaying as a chick.......parents might have to talk to you one of these days on why you check out dudes more the girls ;/ .

Plus isnt male shep canon and femshep not so it's a moot point anyways.

So... if someone prefers to stare at the ass of a female all the time instead of a male it makes him queer?
And modeling an appealing female face in the face editor instead of a male (as a male) is also queer?
You direct the character, you are not the character your self.

Modifié par Vena_86, 12 septembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[Mister Mida]

Interesting collection of words. Personally I'm not much of a FemShep player, mostly because I can't stand the forced and over the top voice acting of Hale. I prefer Meer's 'monotone and boring' voice acting.

However, I comment Bioware for making a female protaganist that isn't instantly sexualized and can actually be judged by her character and actions instead of by her hooters, etc.

[Quething]

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'm so glad you know exactly how bioware is managing their data...

Um, I dont have to. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with data collection or management in the fact that AFW's poll lines up with BioWare's.

BioWare's statistics state: "80% of players play maleShep."
AFW's poll states: "73% of players play maleShep."
These are stunningly similar figures.

This is not hard to understand.

[Jebel Krong]

Quething wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'm so glad you know exactly how bioware is managing their data...

Um, I dont have to. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with data collection or management in the fact that AFW's poll lines up with BioWare's.

BioWare's statistics state: "80% of players play maleShep."
AFW's poll states: "73% of players play maleShep."
These are stunningly similar figures.

This is not hard to understand.

Drawing conclusions from completely different data sets is though. One is a biased and incomplete forum poll, representative of nothing and the other is the accurate and complete data from bioware themselves - I know which one I believe... just because the forum poll comes out within a margin of error does not make it valid because the sample size is too small, biased and therefore non-representative.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 12 septembre 2010 - 04:38 .

[theelementslayer]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Quething wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

I'm so glad you know exactly how bioware is managing their data...

Um, I dont have to. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with data collection or management in the fact that AFW's poll lines up with BioWare's.

BioWare's statistics state: "80% of players play maleShep."
AFW's poll states: "73% of players play maleShep."
These are stunningly similar figures.

This is not hard to understand.

Drawing conclusions from completely different data sets is though.

Fanbase is fanbase. Sure we are a part of it but so is any sort of poll/survey. Why would we play femshep more if we are on the forums. AFWs poll has 1000 or so votes, pretty big sample size. Im just curious, why dont you want to understand or at least admit that our view makes sense. The numbers wouldnt be 80% on their poll and only 17% on the forums. Thats way too big of a difference.

[Jebel Krong]

No it's not - your sample ignores the biggest data-set/market - the casual fan.

[theelementslayer]

Jebel Krong wrote...

No it's not - your sample ignores the biggest data-set/market - the casual fan.

The casual fan I dont think sets the polls off by 60%. Its too large of a difference, while AFWs poll actually is only 7% off. I would be alot more apt to believe hers. If you dont want to its your opinion but ME3 will include femshep and Liara and thats all that matters

[JJ Long]

Mister Mida wrote...

Interesting collection of words. Personally I'm not much of a FemShep player, mostly because I can't stand the forced and over the top voice acting of Hale. I prefer Meer's 'monotone and boring' voice acting.

I agree on Hale's VA.  Also, I don't think Meer gets enough credit when it comes to his VA.  I think he just takes a completely different approach.  Hale almost comes across as too serious, meanwhile Meer seems to be more human.

The video on Youtube, "Commander Shepard is Still a Jerk" is my favorite example of why I like Meer's VA so much.  There is just something about his delivery that is really great.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Meh, personally this article is the other half reason why I cant stand femshep. Im naturally inclined to maleshep anyway as a standard of roleplaying (something ME has always been shorter on than other Bioware RPGs or just RPGs in general).

One half is, like many others, I detest Hales femshep performance. The other is the insecure "Buffy the vampire'esque" "kickass chick" nonsense that surrounds femshep. Its not enough that things be equal enough, it has to be trumpeted, put on a pedestal and lauded as the most awesome.

Ill take maleshep any day. More cliched? Sure. Less pretentious, insecure and attention seeking? You betcha!

Its partly why the Liara romance works best for malesheps. Less of that unfortunate "ZOMG HAWT LEZBEANS" attached. The alien romances naturally have the awkwardness of the "LULZ INTASPEESHEES" attached already, so combining the two into the "space lesbian" crap only makes it worse. I believe some of the articles comments indirectly make this clear.

So yeah, maleshep all the way. Less pretentious, attention seeking drama. Lol, ironic that the "empowering" leads to something of a stereotype.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 12 septembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[Spectre 117]

The main reason i dont play as femshep is because i can barely hear her whe she speaks and cause she walks like a man which while wearing a dress is extremely creepy O_O

Modifié par Spectre 117, 12 septembre 2010 - 06:51 .

[sinosleep]

Saremei wrote...

You make the very common mistake people make when dealing with written/typed information, reading too much into the wording.  The way you interpret the data leads to an utterly worthless statistic.  So what if 80% of players have played maleshep at least once. That tells you essentially nothing  since it completely avoids reporting on the % of players who have played femshep at least once. What makes more sense is that it is total shepards created, not individual players.  That leaves no data unreported as it would leave the % of femsheps at 20% which is a realistic number considering a fair few players do nothing but accept default for their single playthrough. 

Regardless of what this or any other forum related to mass effect will have you believe, most players are not at all active on the internet regarding this game.  Their opinions about the game without doubt differ from the conclusions of the vocal minorities of the forum communities.

I have to agree with this. It'd be an entirely meaningless stat if that was what was being reported. If it's not total characters then what's the point? 

[vigna]

Well, my femshep is lesbian. I can't bring myself to romance Thane, Garrus, Jacob, or Kaidan...



I wonder what the lesbian femshep percentage is? Only Bioware knows for sure.

[Manx1986]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Meh, personally this article is the other half reason why I cant stand femshep. Im naturally inclined to maleshep anyway as a standard of roleplaying (something ME has always been shorter on than other Bioware RPGs or just RPGs in general).

One half is, like many others, I detest Hales femshep performance. The other is the insecure "Buffy the vampire'esque" "kickass chick" nonsense that surrounds femshep. Its not enough that things be equal enough, it has to be trumpeted, put on a pedestal and lauded as the most awesome.

Ill take maleshep any day. More cliched? Sure. Less pretentious, insecure and attention seeking? You betcha!

Its partly why the Liara romance works best for malesheps. Less of that unfortunate "ZOMG HAWT LEZBEANS" attached. The alien romances naturally have the awkwardness of the "LULZ INTASPEESHEES" attached already, so combining the two into the "space lesbian" crap only makes it worse. I believe some of the articles comments indirectly make this clear.

So yeah, maleshep all the way. Less pretentious, attention seeking drama. Lol, ironic that the "empowering" leads to something of a stereotype.

QFT.

It's baffling how so many attempts at creating the mythical "strong, independent woman" turn out into a cookie-cutter clone of the clichéd "strongjawed, male antihero" but with a single chromosome switched out. That's not a strong female character in any meaningful way. It's just an unconvincing, two-dimensional caricature with pretentiousness on top.

So yeah, after one complete playthrough as FemShep I can safely say that I can't bring myself to play as her again. And no, not even Jennifer Hale, who I normally hold in very high regard, can pull the character off.

[ADLegend21]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Meh, personally this article is the other half reason why I cant stand femshep. Im naturally inclined to maleshep anyway as a standard of roleplaying (something ME has always been shorter on than other Bioware RPGs or just RPGs in general).

One half is, like many others, I detest Hales femshep performance. The other is the insecure "Buffy the vampire'esque" "kickass chick" nonsense that surrounds femshep. Its not enough that things be equal enough, it has to be trumpeted, put on a pedestal and lauded as the most awesome.

Ill take maleshep any day. More cliched? Sure. Less pretentious, insecure and attention seeking? You betcha!

Its partly why the Liara romance works best for malesheps. Less of that unfortunate "ZOMG HAWT LEZBEANS" attached. The alien romances naturally have the awkwardness of the "LULZ INTASPEESHEES" attached already, so combining the two into the "space lesbian" crap only makes it worse. I believe some of the articles comments indirectly make this clear.

So yeah, maleshep all the way. Less pretentious, attention seeking drama. Lol, ironic that the "empowering" leads to something of a stereotype.

wow could there be any more testosterone in this post?

[wizardryforever]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Meh, personally this article is the other half reason why I cant stand femshep. Im naturally inclined to maleshep anyway as a standard of roleplaying (something ME has always been shorter on than other Bioware RPGs or just RPGs in general).

One half is, like many others, I detest Hales femshep performance. The other is the insecure "Buffy the vampire'esque" "kickass chick" nonsense that surrounds femshep. Its not enough that things be equal enough, it has to be trumpeted, put on a pedestal and lauded as the most awesome.

Ill take maleshep any day. More cliched? Sure. Less pretentious, insecure and attention seeking? You betcha!

Its partly why the Liara romance works best for malesheps. Less of that unfortunate "ZOMG HAWT LEZBEANS" attached. The alien romances naturally have the awkwardness of the "LULZ INTASPEESHEES" attached already, so combining the two into the "space lesbian" crap only makes it worse. I believe some of the articles comments indirectly make this clear.

So yeah, maleshep all the way. Less pretentious, attention seeking drama. Lol, ironic that the "empowering" leads to something of a stereotype.

wow could there be any more testosterone in this post?

You might want to be sure of their gender before posting such things. <_<

Honestly, I don't know why so many FemShep players, presumably women, have this idea that anything a man says that disagrees with their worldview is "testosterone fueled."  It is a ridiculous double standard.  Think about it, if a man commented on a post as "estrogen fueled" there would be tremendous backlash at the sexism.  Yet there is somehow no problem in your comment.  The whole thing implies "silly men, brains are for women!" and it is just utterly ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't really understand the hype for FemShep, or her voice actress.  I think the appeal for FemShep comes down to a few simple points:
1. Female players jump at the chance to play their own gender.
2. Female protagonists are less common in games.
3. People like Jennifer Hale's acting.
Now for me those points are moot, since I'm male, I haven't played every game under the sun (so male isn't so cliche), and I don't like Hale's acting.  It really sounds like she is trying too hard with the acting.  Meer actually sounds like a no-nonsense soldier, Hale sounds like someone acting like a soldier.  This is especially obvious with how she tries to pour emotion into every line, when most things that Shepard says really need to be normal tone of voice, and not operatic.  That's just my opinion though.

[javierabegazo]

Watch it with the "No __ Shep is better" ranting. keep it to discussions, and no juvenile put downs. Thank you

[Fdingo]

Not gonna fight about this, but I always felt that FemShep is more convincing than most female heroines in fiction (I'd put her up there with the likes of Ellen Ripley). So it's pretty surprising to me that even she is thought of as a tough chick cliche by some (or many, I'm not sure on the consensus).

[Galenwolf]

The way Male Shep speaks fits more with me. Never played Femshep at all. Ive played female characters in most games but not in ME.

I found Femshep to be too emotional, Shepard is a military leader and I found the more controlled male shepard voice to fit that better.  Having heard British Military talking in various documentaries the higher ranking officers always try to sound calm, it gives the soldiers around them confidence that the commander is still in total control (mind you the sarges go mental shouting).  You can tell when they are pissed off etc but around lower ranking officers and soldiers they look to try and keep it in check (in private you know they will be booting people up the arse), which is show I think Shepard should be.  

If you look at the later seasons of TNG picards controlled voice always made him appear that even if a borg fleet appeared in front of the enterprise he could handle it, and when he did show out bursts of emotion it really hit like a white hot iron.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 13 septembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[lyssalu]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Meh, personally this article is the other half reason why I cant stand femshep. Im naturally inclined to maleshep anyway as a standard of roleplaying (something ME has always been shorter on than other Bioware RPGs or just RPGs in general).

One half is, like many others, I detest Hales femshep performance. The other is the insecure "Buffy the vampire'esque" "kickass chick" nonsense that surrounds femshep. Its not enough that things be equal enough, it has to be trumpeted, put on a pedestal and lauded as the most awesome.

Ill take maleshep any day. More cliched? Sure. Less pretentious, insecure and attention seeking? You betcha!

Its partly why the Liara romance works best for malesheps. Less of that unfortunate "ZOMG HAWT LEZBEANS" attached. The alien romances naturally have the awkwardness of the "LULZ INTASPEESHEES" attached already, so combining the two into the "space lesbian" crap only makes it worse. I believe some of the articles comments indirectly make this clear.

So yeah, maleshep all the way. Less pretentious, attention seeking drama. Lol, ironic that the "empowering" leads to something of a stereotype.

god there is just so much wrong with this post that i can't,

i just

can't,

[lyssalu]

wizardryforever wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Meh, personally this article is the other half reason why I cant stand femshep. Im naturally inclined to maleshep anyway as a standard of roleplaying (something ME has always been shorter on than other Bioware RPGs or just RPGs in general).

One half is, like many others, I detest Hales femshep performance. The other is the insecure "Buffy the vampire'esque" "kickass chick" nonsense that surrounds femshep. Its not enough that things be equal enough, it has to be trumpeted, put on a pedestal and lauded as the most awesome.

Ill take maleshep any day. More cliched? Sure. Less pretentious, insecure and attention seeking? You betcha!

Its partly why the Liara romance works best for malesheps. Less of that unfortunate "ZOMG HAWT LEZBEANS" attached. The alien romances naturally have the awkwardness of the "LULZ INTASPEESHEES" attached already, so combining the two into the "space lesbian" crap only makes it worse. I believe some of the articles comments indirectly make this clear.

So yeah, maleshep all the way. Less pretentious, attention seeking drama. Lol, ironic that the "empowering" leads to something of a stereotype.

wow could there be any more testosterone in this post?

You might want to be sure of their gender before posting such things. <_<

Honestly, I don't know why so many FemShep players, presumably women, have this idea that anything a man says that disagrees with their worldview is "testosterone fueled."  It is a ridiculous double standard.  Think about it, if a man commented on a post as "estrogen fueled" there would be tremendous backlash at the sexism.  Yet there is somehow no problem in your comment.  The whole thing implies "silly men, brains are for women!" and it is just utterly ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't really understand the hype for FemShep, or her voice actress.  I think the appeal for FemShep comes down to a few simple points:
1. Female players jump at the chance to play their own gender.
2. Female protagonists are less common in games.
3. People like Jennifer Hale's acting.
Now for me those points are moot, since I'm male, I haven't played every game under the sun (so male isn't so cliche), and I don't like Hale's acting.  It really sounds like she is trying too hard with the acting.  Meer actually sounds like a no-nonsense soldier, Hale sounds like someone acting like a soldier.  This is especially obvious with how she tries to pour emotion into every line, when most things that Shepard says really need to be normal tone of voice, and not operatic.  That's just my opinion though.

dw man dink is a dude (it's actually really obvious,)

and no, there's no double standard.  you're pooping out of your mouth a lot by saying that

first of all,

you're assuming

that all women who disagree with something a man says

have the same ~world view~

and secondly,

there is backlash at the testosterone fueled comment coming from you, so your entire argument is ludicrous,

i mean

are you even thinking,

you're sitting here screaming double standard

because supposedly no one takes offense to females screaming testosterone

and yet

here you are

i just

i don't get it man

lmao what dink said though

is just the funniest thing,

like, really?  what about femshep is insecure?

do you guys not understand that femshep and maleshep have the exact same lines.............................i

i can't do this anymore

no wait,

i'm still so offended by the lesbian comment that i can barely think

dink do you have a problem with space lesbians what is your deal

[wizardryforever]

lyssalu wrote...

dw man dink is a dude (it's actually really obvious,)

and no, there's no double standard.  you're pooping out of your mouth a lot by saying that

first of all,

you're assuming

that all women who disagree with something a man says

have the same ~world view~

and secondly,

there is backlash at the testosterone fueled comment coming from you, so your entire argument is ludicrous,

i mean

are you even thinking,

you're sitting here screaming double standard

because supposedly no one takes offense to females screaming testosterone

and yet

here you are

i just

i don't get it man

lmao what dink said though

is just the funniest thing,

like, really?  what about femshep is insecure?

do you guys not understand that femshep and maleshep have the exact same lines.............................i

i can't do this anymore

no wait,

i'm still so offended by the lesbian comment that i can barely think

dink do you have a problem with space lesbians what is your deal

What's with the horrible formatting and grammar errors?  Are they truly necessary to belittle my opinion without any supporting evidence?

Nowhere did Dinkamus say what gender they are, so an assumption that they are male is just that, an assumption.  Also, I specifically targeted FemShep players who are probably women (can't make that assumption though).  They are the ones who frequently respond to any anti-FemShep comment claiming it's "testosterone fueled."  They are the ones I have a problem with, not women in general.  Although Dinkamus may have used some rather unfortunate language, they are probably like me, fed up with misandry masquerading as feminism and they see that in FemShep.  I don't see FemShep in quite those terms, though I understand where they are coming from. 

And by the way, when I say "backlash," I mean a widespread backlash that the majority of people participate in.  If a man told a woman that her argument was "estrogen fueled," his sexism would be recognized by everyone and his credibility ruined.  However, the reverse is not true, hence the double standard.

[Fhaileas]

wizardryforever wrote...

I don't like Hale's acting.  It really sounds like she is trying too hard with the acting.  Meer actually sounds like a no-nonsense soldier, Hale sounds like someone acting like a soldier.  This is especially obvious with how she tries to pour emotion into every line, when most things that Shepard says really need to be normal tone of voice, and not operatic.  That's just my opinion though.

You may have your opinion that MaleShepard has better voice acting... but it is wrong. There is no room for debate, no room for speculation. It is a fact as rooted in reality as the sky being blue that FemShepard's voice acting is more convincing, more passionate and better delivered than MicrosoftSamShepard's monotonous, inappropriately spikey, emotionless, passionless, read-straight-off-a-card-with-absolutely-no-substance voice "acting."

I respect your right to an opinion whether you think a street is clear of traffic, the sky is green or MaleShepard delivered better than FemShepard, you are wrong objectively in the realm of reality composed of facts not opinions.

[Reiisha]

This entire argument could be solved simply by having Bioware post the statistics again, with a slight alteration.



# of players who have:

- Created only the default maleshep(s)

- Created only the default maleshep(s) and finished the game

- Created only the default femshep(s)

- Created only the default femshep(s) and finished the game

- Created only maleshep(s)

- Created only maleshep(s) and finished the game

- Created only femshep(s)

- Created only femshep(s) and finished the game

- Created both sheps

- Created both sheps and finished the game at least once with maleshep

- Created both sheps and finished the game at least once with femshep

- Created both sheps and finished the game at least once with both sheps



All statistics i mentioned are already tracked, they simply have to be categorized by Bioware in this way.

Using this you also get the more reliable (and probably much more accurate statistic in male/femshep usage, namely:



# of players who:

- Created malesheps only

- Created both sheps

- Created femsheps only



I would bet that this ratio is somewhere along the lines of 40/40/20, maybe even 30/50/20.

[kraidy1117]

The whole stat thing is BS because they are not giving us anything. How was this done. Does it account for your first PT, multiple PT? Some people didn't even turn that feature on. Those stats right now are crap because they make NO SENSE at all.