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[Rusted Cage]

I don't mean to upset the natural order of things or make blasphemous statements but I could do with some advice. My favourite class in both ME games has always been the Infiltrator. After playing through as soldier and adept, I fancy another infiltrator run.

However, I don't want to take the Widow as my bonus weapon if it can be helped. During my soldier run I had fun with the Incisor rifle and Mattock assault rifle. How well do these two weapons work with each other when in the hands of the infiltrator?

Don't get me wrong, I like the Widow. Just want to try something different without compromising a vital aspect of the class - one (head)shot kills.

[ryoldschool]

You can take ar training to get the mattock or shotgun training - lots of folks here have videos with shotguns, so its not so unusual for an infiltrator. I always take widow on soldier so I've done ar with infiltrator a few times.

[PrinceLionheart]

 Infiltrator without a Widow is actually pretty common so it's not really blasphemous. 

[Simbacca]

you would not be the first

Quite a few people around here have tried shotgun Infiltrators. Cloak is perfect for sneaking right up to an enemy and headshotting their face off. The Evi was used with Squad Cryo Ammo pre-Firepower pack. Since though, many more shotgun Infiltrators popped up using the Geth Plasma Shotgun. You can start charging the GPS, activate Cloak, get up close, BOOM

Discussion usually falls under the CQC (close quarters combat) Infiltrators, which is more about playstyle than which weapon is selected, and there is a thread about it here (the thread is kinda of long at this point so I'd recommend just browsing the first page and last couple pages, to see what's dicussed currently)

Modifié par Simbacca, 10 septembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[Rusted Cage]

Thanks for the input folks, although I'm a bit disapointed that the Mattock isn't as good for the Infiltrator. I was thinking that it's sniper-like accuracy would be awesome in the hands of a proffesional. As for the Incisor, despite it's sub-optimal status I might be tempted to choose it over Widow anyway.



I like the idea of a CQC infiltrator, although I might miss the sniping! Thank you for the link, Simbacca.

[ScroguBlitzen]

Off topic, but if you've already played Soldier, Adept and Infiltrator then you REALLY should play a Vanguard. They are incredibly fun once you get the hang of them.

[archurban]

well, widow is not only one bloody sniper rifle. you have two more choices. actually, that two rifles are good when you upgrade for max.

[Tony Gunslinger]

I did an insanity run with an AR infiltrator awhile ago. Generally speaking, it is a
weaker build, but the times where you may do better would be
missions like Grunt's loyalty and Reaper IFF, when you're able to face melee armored enemies head on with an AR instead of an SMG or pistol. The fun part isn't in its strength but its variety. You'll have 4 weapons types and use them in conjunction with your powers and playstyle.

[OniGanon]

Infiltrator can't make the most of the Mattock's DPS as they don't have Adrenaline Rush and their passive slowdown only applies to sniper rifles. By taking it, you're basically running around with two Vipers...



And taking a shotgun doesn't preclude you from sniping a lot. But sniping with a Viper is very different from sniping with a Widow. With a Viper you focus on stripping defenses and only go all-out dps on priority targets like Heavies and bosses. Try to limit yourself to 4 shots per enemy.



Oh, and get Squad Cryo. Don't even try to play CQC Infiltrator without it.

[NYG1991]

Currently using infiltrator with mattock, locust, and mantis for sniping and having a blast. I prefer the one shot snipers for infiltrator cause I like to get behind cover after one shot. The mattock is basically the viper without a scope and locust is for full auto cqc stuff

[numotsbane]

Pacifien would hate me for this, but the best way to play the infiltrator is, in fact, without the widow. its just way more fun.

[Rusted Cage]

Hmm, there still seems to be quite a variety of opinion. ScroguBlitzen, I will get round to it one day. I'm not really a biotic kinda guy and even got a litle bored with my adept playthrough. Don't know why, could be because they are slightly over-powered?



Tony Gunslinger, did you enjoy your AR infiltrator? Or did you regret not picking the Widow?



OniGanon, isn't cryo ammo considered a wasted power incestment due to it's lack of effect against armour? Maybe I'm behind the times and it really comes into it's own in CQC.



NYG1991, what difficulty setting are you playing on? I've done my Insanity run for the achievement so I'l probably sit back and go hardcore from here on in. I'm mainly looking for a fun run so I'm encouraged by your words.



numotsbane, could you elaborate please?

[Besetment]

Cryo ammo is amazing on Insanity/Insanity+. When you have squaddie powers like Warp (Miranda), Overload (Miranda), Reave (Samara) etc that can one shot armour, shields and barriers respectively then Cryo ammo becomes this whole other beast.



You can literally start off a fight by stripping 3 protections from 3 different enemies and go to town with heavy pistols or SMGs with Squad Cryo. Heavy Pistols is almost a guaranteed freeze on the first hit and squadmates are stupid accurate. Plink, plink, plink. 3 guys frozen = 3x guys taking 100% more damage + 3x less guys shooting at you = more time spent out of cover shooting for you and your squadmates.



Its one of the few powers on an Infiltrator that could be considered a constant of sorts.

[Tony Gunslinger]

Rusted Cage wrote...

did you enjoy your AR infiltrator? Or did you regret not picking the Widow?

 

I enjoyed it quite a bit, but only after I picked the Widow on my first playthrough. Because I became a bit more familiar with the game, I didn't really need to depend on the Widow anymore and wanted to try other weapons with the infiltrator. It really isn't that much different than the Vanguard not picking up the Claymore; you customize based on the idea that it would cover your weakness, and for me, vs. melee enemies was a weakness in my playstyle, and the Mantis and the Viper were already sufficient to pick off the majority of the enemies. So it was either shotguns or AR... I picked AR based on the fact you can't get SG upgrades as fast as ARs. The missions where I had the hardest time before did get easier, while mission where I had the easiest time became a bit slower. It was worth the sacrifice, so I didn't regret it at all.

[Grimjesse127]

Trust me, you don't want Assault Rifles. I did that on my first playthrough, it REALLY doesn't help. It can't really be used in conjunction with Tactical Cloak either. Shotguns can. You can also have Tali or Legion with you to use Combat Drone and help even more. I suggest Slam too for missions with Husks and it's always good to have a Biotic Power. You can still use the Viper, Incisor or Mantis so you still have a Sniper. Mantis is what I'd go for. But Incisor works with the Time Slowdown too.

[Pacifien]

numotsbane wrote...
Pacifien would hate me for this, but the best way to play the infiltrator is, in fact, without the widow. its just way more fun.

There is no greater fun than headshotting a YMIR mech with the Widow. You hear me?! Absolutely nothing better!

Except maybe charging the Colossus. Or Vasir. Stasising scions. Combat Droning a Geth Prime. Dominating Harbinger.... Finding a way to take out that Vorcha Pyro. You know the one. But other than that, it is Widow for life!

Actually, with LotSB, I found it was really geared for CQC. Even though I was playing with my Sniper Infiltrator, I switched tactics to the CQC Infiltrator. The rogue attack from the back with an SMG. But I prefer sniping.

[OniGanon]

Squad Cryo is an amazing power for any Infiltrator, but it especially helps those who play aggressively.

See, dead enemies have this nasty tendency to get replaced. The same doesn't seem to be true for CCed enemies. If you CC all the enemies at one position, that position becomes very easy to take over. It's a simple matter of cloaking and shotgunning them in the face while they lie on the floor or start to get up. If you get enough of the enemies CCed at once, you've already won the fight.

NYG1991 wrote...
Currently using infiltrator with mattock, locust, and mantis for sniping and having a blast.

Wouldn't it be better to just play Widow/Mattock/GPS Soldier at that point?

[Pacifien]

Grimjesse127 wrote...
Trust me, you don't want Assault Rifles. I did that on my first playthrough, it REALLY doesn't help.*snip*

I agree. I suspect those who would pick Assault Rifle would do so with any class because they simply prefer using the Assault Rifle and wish it was available to them from the start. I suppose someone will chime in with how I'm wrong, but I will stereotype you all I want, dammit!

But I don't see the Infiltrator working well with the Assault Rifle. Either from a distance as a sniper or right up in the enemies face with an SMG. And if you can get the Locust, that can do the double duty of an Assault Rifle as well as keep the perks of an SMG. So I don't get the love, but I have never loved using Assault Rifles. Forever biased, I suppose.

[JaegerBane]

Rusted Cage wrote...

Thanks for the input folks, although I'm a bit disapointed that the Mattock isn't as good for the Infiltrator. I was thinking that it's sniper-like accuracy would be awesome in the hands of a proffesional. As for the Incisor, despite it's sub-optimal status I might be tempted to choose it over Widow anyway.

I like the idea of a CQC infiltrator, although I might miss the sniping! Thank you for the link, Simbacca.

The mattock's performance is comparable to a sniper rifle but crucially, lacks the scope. On a class that gets it's slowdown from *using* a scope, that's a problem.

I agree that the concept of a shotgun infiltrator can work but I've yet to see these perform up the level of a Widow-using infil. The Widow stands alone amongst the tier 3 weapons as being a straight upgrade to the Tier 1 sniper rifle rather than an exagerration like the Claymore or Rev.

[OniGanon]

Revenant seems a pretty clear upgrade from Avenger.

[JaegerBane]

OniGanon wrote...

Revenant seems a pretty clear upgrade from Avenger.

Not for longer range fighting, it isn't.

[Mark B]

NYG1991 wrote...

Currently using infiltrator with mattock, locust, and mantis for sniping and having a blast. I prefer the one shot snipers for infiltrator cause I like to get behind cover after one shot. The mattock is basically the viper without a scope and locust is for full auto cqc stuff

Wth the Mattock and Mantis, the Locust seems out of place.  It is mainly an AR analogue, covering a gap in most classes weapons choices for mid range combat.  With this loadout I would take the tempest with it's hisger ammo counts it gives much better cqc effectiveness and is better against shields and barriers than the Locust  and with the Mattock, armour shouldn't be an issue.

Of course, throwing rocks is better than the shuriken, so if pre-Haestrom, I understand.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I picked the Widow with my Infiltrator and am happy that I did. Hell, I even picked it with my Soldier.

[Kronner]

JaegerBane wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Revenant seems a pretty clear upgrade from Avenger.

Not for longer range fighting, it isn't.

Maybe because Revenant is not meant to be long range weapon. A Sniper Rifler is for long range combat and Soldier has it anyways. Revenant is clearly better than Avenger..not.even.close.