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[Tyfreaky]

So is Advanced Training for companions(On the Shadow Broker ship) a game changer for certain characters?  Since you can now allocate all 20 points (31 for Miranda and Jacob) however you want?

Especially characters like Thane, Jacob, Miranda, and Legion who are considered to have 'marginal' loyalty powers?

Also: Does anyone have any build suggestions for companions now that they can be modified more effeciiently?
(I'm playing a new character),

Thank you in advance.

[sinosleep]

I think Jacob benefits immensely. Pull is criminally underrated ability and he can combine it with a better ammo power than any of his pull using counterparts. Unfortunately when you do his loyalty mission he spams barrier every CD and essentially loses access to pull. So if you want to make good use of Jacob use him until whenever it is his loyalty mission is about to come up and then do LotSB and simply respec him out of barrier and you get the use of pull back.

Modifié par sinosleep, 10 septembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[PrinceLionheart]

 I agree with sinosleep, Jacob becomes a lot more useful when Barrier and Pull aren't playing tug and war.

[NICKjnp]

Thane. You can remove shredder ammo and max his passive, throw and warp.

[AntiChri5]

I just wish they would open up the second power.



The last thing an Adept needs is for Garrus to have Concussive Shot.

[TMA LIVE]

My only complaint for getting the Advance Training for Companions thing is that I wish we could see what they're Stats look like before you "Advance Train" them.



Thane without Shredder Ammo is one.



Zaeed without Inferno Grenade, so you can max his passive is another.

[NICKjnp]

Legion has a very good loyalty power. Why do you think it is marginal? Legion destroys the scions at the collector base... and doesn't go down because he keeps spamming geth shield boost. Miranda's loyalty power is unimportant... but she gets 31 squad points so it doesn't matter.

[Kakalukya]

NICKjnp wrote...

Legion has a very good loyalty power. Why do you think it is marginal? Legion destroys the scions at the collector base... and doesn't go down because he keeps spamming geth shield boost. Miranda's loyalty power is unimportant... but she gets 31 squad points so it doesn't matter.

If you play at normal difficulty, at insanity all shield powers are useless tbh

[swk3000]

TMA LIVE wrote...

My only complaint for getting the Advance Training for Companions thing is that I wish we could see what they're Stats look like before you "Advance Train" them.

Thane without Shredder Ammo is one.

Zaeed without Inferno Grenade, so you can max his passive is another.

Actually, I find Inferno Grenade to be an excellent power. It doesn't have as much power as Incinerate, I admit, but it hits a much wider area. In addition, Zaeed is much more weapon-oriented than Mordin, so he can round out a Tech and Biotic squad much better than Mordin can.

[NICKjnp]

Kakalukya wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Legion has a very good loyalty power. Why do you think it is marginal? Legion destroys the scions at the collector base... and doesn't go down because he keeps spamming geth shield boost. Miranda's loyalty power is unimportant... but she gets 31 squad points so it doesn't matter.

If you play at normal difficulty, at insanity all shield powers are useless tbh

on normal shield powers are useless... on insanity they are very usefull.  A team with loyals Grunt and Legion is very very effective.

[swk3000]

Actually, Shield Powers are useless on any difficulty. The boost only lasts until the first time your shields are depleted; after that, you receive no boost, and just have the visual effect. In exchange, your powers are locked down for 12 seconds while your powers recharge. Not a good trade-off.

[Tyfreaky]

NICKjnp wrote...

Legion has a very good loyalty power. Why do you think it is marginal? Legion destroys the scions at the collector base... and doesn't go down because he keeps spamming geth shield boost. Miranda's loyalty power is unimportant... but she gets 31 squad points so it doesn't matter.

I was under the impression (because I read the thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/261/index/2931510/) that as far as bonus powers go, shield powers were marginal (I thought this was the reason why everyone hated barrier on Jacob)?

Is that not true? Am I mistaken?


And Sinosleep, I have a thread asking about what armor/amor pieces Engineers/Sentinals wear. I would love for you to comment in tha threadt. I have seen some of your insanity runs on engineers and would love some advice (I dont do insanity, I just need general tips)

Modifié par Tyfreaky, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:44 .

[swk3000]

The biggest problem, as I said, is that the boost only lasts once. Once your shields are depleted for the first time after activating the power, all you have is the visual effect; your Shields will be at standard strength when they regenerate.



Frankly, I don't find a one-time boost to be worth 12 seconds of not being able to use powers. Especially on classes that are much more power-oriented (such as the Vanguard, Adept, or Engineer).

[Pacifien]

People hate Jacob's barrier because they have no control over it, even if you turn squad power useage off so you can have full control. Because apparently that doesn't turn off Jacob's tendency to use barrier. All the shield powers have long cooldowns, so it's frustrating having to wait to use another power because your squadmate activated a shield instead.

That said, Legion's GSB can be marginally better than Jacob's Barrier because, if you fully evolve it, you can give Legion a 10% weapons damage boost. And Grunt's Fortification is nice if you use him as a proper krogan and plant him in the middle of a group of enemies.

For Advanced Training on squadmates, I'd use it on the likes of Garrus, Thane, Jack, Zaeed, and Jacob. As I make use of squad cryo ammo often, I don't need the first three's loyalty powers. I'd prefer to max out Zaeed's first three powers. I don't want that one point in Jacob's loyalty power.

Don't worry much about Miranda because, with 31 points, you can max out her first three powers in spite of the 1 point thrown automatically into the loyalty power.

[NICKjnp]

swk3000 wrote...

Actually, Shield Powers are useless on any difficulty. The boost only lasts until the first time your shields are depleted; after that, you receive no boost, and just have the visual effect. In exchange, your powers are locked down for 12 seconds while your powers recharge. Not a good trade-off.

This isn't a Shepard bonus power thing... it is a squadmate loyalty power thing.  I don't think you understand what this thread is about.

[swk3000]

[quote]NICKjnp wrote...

[quote]swk3000 wrote...

This isn't a Shepard bonus power thing... it is a squadmate loyalty power thing.[/quote]

Which makes them just as bad. When you need Jacob's Pull, for example, you can't access it, because he keeps using his Barrier.

[HBC Dresden]

Tyfreaky wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Legion has a very good loyalty power. Why do you think it is marginal? Legion destroys the scions at the collector base... and doesn't go down because he keeps spamming geth shield boost. Miranda's loyalty power is unimportant... but she gets 31 squad points so it doesn't matter.

I was under the impression (because I read the thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/261/index/2931510/) that as far as bonus powers go, shield powers were marginal (I thought this was the reason why everyone hated barrier on Jacob)?

Is that not true? Am I mistaken?


And Sinosleep, I have a thread asking about what armor/amor pieces Engineers/Sentinals wear. I would love for you to comment in tha threadt. I have seen some of your insanity runs on engineers and would love some advice (I dont do insanity, I just need general tips)

Legion is my tank. With the Geth Shield Upgrades (2 of them, one in Tali's loyalty and the other in Legion's loyalty), with Heavy Geth Shield Boost (not the one with weapon damage increase, just 100% shields), with 5/5 Damage Protection Upgrades (haven't seen it with the sixth Damage Upgrade given by LotSB), leaves him with roughly 1050 shields. TANK!

[NICKjnp]

Which is why people are saying it is nice to remove Jacob's barrier... but Grunt's fortification is a great thing... because his ammo power lasts the entire mission and the only other power he has is concusive shot which isn't very useful on hardcore/insanity. Grunt is a tank that is meant to be put infront of you to draw enemy fire.  Legion's shield boost is much more effective than his combat drone because the recharge time is much less on it.  Legion and Grunt both have the highest health/armor scores in game.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 11 septembre 2010 - 03:25 .

[RGFrog]

Wait, I haven't really used Jacob beyond Mordin's recruitment mission because of the barrier spamming.

However, I thought with the 1.02 patch, that was supposed to be fixed? With squad power use off, they're not supposed to spam that crap... did the patch not work?

[sinosleep]

RGFrog wrote...

Wait, I haven't really used Jacob beyond Mordin's recruitment mission because of the barrier spamming.
However, I thought with the 1.02 patch, that was supposed to be fixed? With squad power use off, they're not supposed to spam that crap... did the patch not work?

No, what 1.02 did was stop them from overriding ammo powers. Like say you're rolling with squad cryo, Jacob used to continually try to override your squad cryo with his own incendiary rounds. That's no longer the case, defensive powers still go off on their own though.

[RGFrog]

WHUUUUUUT!!!! So lame.

Oh well, doesn't really affect me as Jacob is a redshirt that has stayed alive too long for his own good anyway

Sucks that BW would correct one and not the other, though.

[OniGanon]

Running Squad Cryo, I'll be taking the ammo powers off all my squadmates because I never have them use it anyway.

[JockBuster]

sinosleep wrote...

I think Jacob benefits immensely. Pull is criminally underrated ability and he can combine it with a better ammo power than any of his pull using counterparts. Unfortunately when you do his loyalty mission he spams barrier every CD and essentially loses access to pull. So if you want to make good use of Jacob use him until whenever it is his loyalty mission is about to come up and then do LotSB and simply respec him out of barrier and you get the use of pull back.

Jacob does NOT have Barrier until AFTER his loyalty mission.

[lazuli]

JockBuster wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

I think Jacob benefits immensely. Pull is criminally underrated ability and he can combine it with a better ammo power than any of his pull using counterparts. Unfortunately when you do his loyalty mission he spams barrier every CD and essentially loses access to pull. So if you want to make good use of Jacob use him until whenever it is his loyalty mission is about to come up and then do LotSB and simply respec him out of barrier and you get the use of pull back.

Jacob does NOT have Barrier until AFTER his loyalty mission.

Yes, as sinosleep is undoubtedly aware.  He probably meant once instead of when.

But to get back on track, I think all squadmates except Miranda stand to gain a lot from the Advanced Training.  Miranda is one of the two 31 point squadmates, and the player can have full control over when she uses her bonus power.  Once you hit level 30, there simply isn't a reason to remove a point from Slam.

It's a real godsend for characters with craptacular bonus powers though.  Zaeed, Thane, we need to talk.

[JaegerBane]

lazuli wrote...

It's a real godsend for characters with craptacular bonus powers though.  Zaeed, Thane, we need to talk.

To be fair, Zaeed's inferno grenade isn't that bad. It's a far cry from incineration blast but considering his other powers, it's a choice between this and concussive. His best power isn't even affected.