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[Dave of Canada]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Oh.. it will still take options, But they won't be as detailed as what they could of been, if you where playing the warden in DA2. 
Our  warden's choices will most likely make a small impact on the game. since it's a whole new character. More or less used for gossip and small conversation, if I were to guess.

But what makes you say that? How would it be any different if it had been the Warden in the Free Marches instead? Say the Warden was in the Free Marches, would everybody randomly be talking about how you let the werewolves live or how Connor is still dead? The Free Marches are another place in the land of Ferelden, your choices will have an impact on the world but Hawke / Warden has pretty much no impact on how much it'll be referenced.

[addiction21]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Wait....Explain to me, how I am wrong about the warden?

About how Dragon Age 2 won't take options without playing the Warden and such.

Oh.. it will still take options, But they won't be as detailed as what they could of been, if you where playing the warden in DA2. 
Our  warden's choices will most likely make a small impact on the game. since it's a whole new character. More or less used for gossip and small conversation, if I were to guess.

And what do you base these assumptions and speculations on? Sure as hell cant be MassEffect2.

[spartanmax52000]

When will bioware make a patch for us console playersfor Dragon age origins/awakening ?

[upsettingshorts]

Maybe it's my background in history that makes me so incapable of understanding how people could feel their Warden's accomplishments could be rendered immaterial through the introduction of another figure of importance.

They still happened. They're still a part of "your" history of Ferelden. Why do you need more than a simple acknowledgment of your actions - perhaps through reference to the new King of Ferelden or the Warden's noble sacrifice or Morrigan's mysterious God Baby? Life, and history, goes on. And there's always a new and important player on the world stage, deserving of focus and attention, that doesn't cheapen the impact of his predecessors.

Take the wide, long view - the same way the developers do: You are being given the opportunity to shape the history of Thedas through multiple characters. The Warden gave you the chance to write the history of the Blight and how Ferelden coped with the treachery of Loghain. Dragon Age 2 will give you the chance to add to that story. It's not about casting aside the Warden, its about changing perspective and using that as an opportunity to add depth to a fictional world.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Dave of Canada]

spartanmax52000 wrote...

When will bioware make a patch for us console playersfor Dragon age origins/awakening ?

Off-topic but...

Sadly enough, we've recieved the updates. They just haven't fixed a lot.

[OriginsIsBest]

Dave of Canada wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Oh.. it will still take options, But they won't be as detailed as what they could of been, if you where playing the warden in DA2. 
Our  warden's choices will most likely make a small impact on the game. since it's a whole new character. More or less used for gossip and small conversation, if I were to guess.

But what makes you say that? How would it be any different if it had been the Warden in the Free Marches instead? Say the Warden was in the Free Marches, would everybody randomly be talking about how you let the werewolves live or how Connor is still dead? The Free Marches are another place in the land of Ferelden, your choices will have an impact on the world but Hawke / Warden has pretty much no impact on how much it'll be referenced.

It would of been different. Think about meeting Flemeth as your warden in Kirkwall then. What happens if you killed her? It would be far better, since you had a past with her. But no, they wiped the slate clean on that one. And we start anew......Like nothing never happened!

[Dr. wonderful]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maybe it's my background in history that makes me so incapable of understanding how people could feel their Warden's accomplishments could be rendered immaterial through the introduction of another figure of importance.

They still happened. They're still a part of "your" history of Ferelden. Why do you need more than a simple acknowledgment of your actions - perhaps through reference to the new King of Ferelden or the Warden's noble sacrifice or Morrigan's mysterious God Baby? Life, and history, goes on. And there's always a new and important player on the world stage, deserving of focus and attention, that doesn't cheapen the impact of his predecessors.

Take the wide, long view - the same way the developers do: You are being given the opportunity to shape the history of Thedas through multiple characters. The Warden gave you the chance to write the history of the Blight and how Ferelden coped with the treachery of Loghain. Dragon Age 2 will give you the chance to add to that story. It's not about casting aside the Warden, its about changing perspective and using that as an opportunity to add depth to a fictional world.

I always wondered why no one mention the last four guys/gals who stopped the blight.

[upsettingshorts]

OriginsIsBest wrote...It would of been different. Think about meeting Flemeth as your warden in Kirkwall then. What happens if you killed her? It would be far better, since you had a past with her. But no, they wiped the slate clean on that one. And we start anew......Like nothing never happened!

We have no idea how the writers are handling the whole Flemeth thing.  Personally I look forward to seeing how they fit the story of the Warden into the New Flemeth/Hawke tale.  If it's good, I'll like it.  If it's crap, I'll say so.  But we really have no clue do we?

Dr. wonderful wrote...
I always wondered why no one mention the last four guys/gals who stopped the blight.

Do you mean the previous Blights?  I imagine because they occured centuries before the events of DA:O and are only of interest to Grey Wardens - the bulk of which are hundreds of miles away from the protagonist - and historians, whom we never meet.

DA:2 takes place more or less at the same time as DA:O, or more accurately - is about the same generation of people.  It has more immediate consequence.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:09 .

[Darthnemesis2]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I always wondered why no one mention the last four guys/gals who stopped the blight.

the elf Garahel ended the 4th Blight

[Riona45]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maybe it's my background in history that makes me so incapable of understanding how people could feel their Warden's accomplishments could be rendered immaterial through the introduction of another figure of importance.

I never understood the "Warden will no longer matter!" argument myself.  There are other people and places in the setting.  And to be blunt, DA:O happened in only one small corner of that setting.  What the Warden did mattered, but that doesn't change the fact that other stuff was and is happening elsewhere, because of other people.

[Riona45]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...
I always wondered why no one mention the last four guys/gals who stopped the blight.

Do you mean the previous Blights?  I imagine because they occured centuries before the events of DA:O and are only of interest to Grey Wardens - the bulk of which are hundreds of miles away from the protagonist - and historians, whom we never meet.

I may have misunderstood but I think that question was rhetorical--it was there to point out that just like how not everything is about the previous Blight heroes, not everything in Thedas will be about our Warden either.

[upsettingshorts]

Maybe, if that's the case then I think my answer still applies. The previous Blights took place hundreds of years before the events of DA:O. Whereas the Blight the Warden ended will be fresh in everyones - at least in Ferelden's - mind.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[Chuvvy]

If anything I want to get the **** away from DA:O and my Warden after which hunt. It completely turned me off.

[spartanmax52000]

why there isn't any epilogue for the witch hunt?

[Riona45]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maybe, if that's the case then I think my answer still applies. The previous Blights took place hundreds of years before the events of DA:O. Whereas the Blight the Warden ended will be fresh in everyones - at least in Ferelden's - mind.

Point taken.

[Dr. wonderful]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...
I always wondered why no one mention the last four guys/gals who stopped the blight.

DA:2 takes place more or less at the same time as DA:O, or more accurately - is about the same generation of people.  It has more immediate consequence.

I already know that part, I was there when it was annouced. I simply thought they would have tales (Dosen't matter whatever they were real or fake) about each warden.

[OriginsIsBest]

spartanmax52000 wrote...

why there isn't any epilogue for the witch hunt?

That's what I want to know. Seriously it would of been a good thing to know what our warden would be doing if he/she entered the mirror with Morrigan. Or grabbed her gift and the dalish book and walked away.

[upsettingshorts]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I already know that part, I was
there when it was annouced. I simply thought they would have tales
(Dosen't matter whatever they were real or fake) about each warden.

Eh. How many tales do you recall from The Hundred Years War, or the
War of Spanish Succession, or The Seven Years War? Those all took plays
hundreds and hundreds of years ago, how relevant are they to today's
society?

Not very.

In the world of Dragon Age: Origins,
people are telling tales of Loghain and Maric in their victorious war of
independence over Orlais, which happened during their life

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:25 .

[Bryy_Miller]

spartanmax52000 wrote...

why there isn't any epilogue for the witch hunt?

They're working on a save file patch.

[OriginsIsBest]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I already know that part, I was
there when it was annouced. I simply thought they would have tales
(Dosen't matter whatever they were real or fake) about each warden.

Eh. How many tales do you recall from The Hundred Years War, or the War of Spanish Succession, or The Seven Years War? Those all took plays hundreds and hundreds of years ago, how relevant are they to today's society?

Not very.

In the world of Dragon Age: Origins, people are telling tales of Loghain and Maric in their victorious war of independence over Orlais, which happened during their lifetimes.

No they are selling a game, to a fanbase. They know the end of the story, they just refuse to tell it, because it keeps people wanting more.

[upsettingshorts]

OriginsIsBest wrote...
No they are selling a game, to a fanbase. They know the end of the story, they just refuse to tell it, because it keeps people wanting more.

That's part of it.  But we're making demands on how storytellers tell their stories now, just because we want instant gratification?

I'm concerned with internal consistency.  As long as the writers are obeying the rules and concepts they lay down for themselves, I'm content to - as I said in another thread - be along for the ride Bioware is taking me on.  Nothing I've heard about the plot of DA:2 strikes me as a violation of that principle.

Getting up in arms about whether or not the writers answer some question in some timeframe is a mindset that will lead to perpetual disappointment.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:28 .

[Bryy_Miller]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I already know that part, I was
there when it was annouced. I simply thought they would have tales
(Dosen't matter whatever they were real or fake) about each warden.

Eh. How many tales do you recall from The Hundred Years War, or the War of Spanish Succession, or The Seven Years War? Those all took plays hundreds and hundreds of years ago, how relevant are they to today's society?

Not very.

In the world of Dragon Age: Origins, people are telling tales of Loghain and Maric in their victorious war of independence over Orlais, which happened during their lifetimes.

No they are selling a game, to a fanbase. They know the end of the story, they just refuse to tell it, because it keeps people wanting more.

... the story is not done yet. You want to know the ending without reading the book?

OriginsIsBest wrote...
Like nothing never happened!

Except it did happen.

[Darthnemesis2]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I already know that part, I was
there when it was annouced. I simply thought they would have tales
(Dosen't matter whatever they were real or fake) about each warden.

Eh. How many tales do you recall from The Hundred Years War, or the
War of Spanish Succession, or The Seven Years War? Those all took plays
hundreds and hundreds of years ago, how relevant are they to today's
society?

Not very.

In the world of Dragon Age: Origins,
people are telling tales of Loghain and Maric in their victorious war of
independence over Orlais, which happened during their life

On the flip side, battles and figures from the American Civil war, Revolutionary war (both in the case of many Americans anyway), hell even back to the Crusades (in some cases) and ancient greece (thermopyle, troy) are fairly widely known.

[Riona45]

OriginsIsBest wrote...
They know the end of the story, they just refuse to tell it, because it keeps people wanting more.

Good for them!  I like it when a story leaves some things ambiguous.

[Dr. wonderful]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I already know that part, I was
there when it was annouced. I simply thought they would have tales
(Dosen't matter whatever they were real or fake) about each warden.

Eh. How many tales do you recall from The Hundred Years War, or the
War of Spanish Succession, or The Seven Years War? Those all took plays
hundreds and hundreds of years ago, how relevant are they to today's
society?

Not very.

In the world of Dragon Age: Origins,
people are telling tales of Loghain and Maric in their victorious war of
independence over Orlais, which happened during their life

I heard of all of those events, and did a project for each one.